hondo in seattle Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I disagree that DE is not being talked about. People mention it in "What starting spots still need to be filled?" and other threads. I do agree it's a concern though I guess it depends on how you feel about Von. If he returns to form, we're okay. If not, it's a problem. In today's NFL, you need to pressure the QB and I don't trust Epenesa and Groot to do enough of that. And this isn't our only concern. I'm worried about this being another playoff year that doesn't end in a Super Bowl appearance. Good but not good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 We're banking on Von returning to form this year and AJ continuing his upward trend. Clearly we'll have to draft someone in the next year or two, but I'm not sure it's this year. Honestly, I think OBD hopes to get 2 years out of Von in a perfect world. 🤞I'm not as down on Groot as others are either. I feel like if Von and AJ, and Ed play up to expectations Groot will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 15 hours ago, Behindenemylines said: Cue long snapper joke in 3..2..1 Holder, now that's our true position in need 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 19 hours ago, Don Otreply said: How huge is it? That's what SHE asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 The Bills had the 4th most sacks in the NFL last year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I'll say this: if DL is the Bills 1st pick they better use a bunch of late round picks to move up about 20 spots in the 2nd round to get a WR cause there is gonna be major run on them from around pick 24 to pick 40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 I’m going to give a hot take. I don’t think pass rushers are paramount to defensive success as much as the past. Most elite QB’s are mobile athletic guys who can move around the pocket. I’m not saying pass rushers can’t make a difference, but they can be neutralized. Every year the playoffs come around, I fail to see pass rushers make big plays. The 49ers have Bosa who made zero difference in the Super Bowl, and the Lions Hutchinson wasn’t enough to slow the 49ers in the NFC title game either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Established pass rushers are unavailable in FA to cap challenged teams but there is no reason not to expect more pressure and sacks from Miller, 2 years removed from knee surgery and Rousseau/ Epenesa could have more production. Pressure from the tackles should be as good as last year or better with Eddie, DQ and Adrian. Defense should not be a problem if we stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 14 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I’m going to give a hot take. I don’t think pass rushers are paramount to defensive success as much as the past. Most elite QB’s are mobile athletic guys who can move around the pocket. I’m not saying pass rushers can’t make a difference, but they can be neutralized. Every year the playoffs come around, I fail to see pass rushers make big plays. The 49ers have Bosa who made zero difference in the Super Bowl, and the Lions Hutchinson wasn’t enough to slow the 49ers in the NFC title game either. That’s fair. But Chris Jones is the reason Allen didn’t complete that pass to Shakir. When Watt is off the field the Steelers never win. Aaron Donald is why Burrow missed Chase on that last play of the SB. Pass rushers are the WR of the defense. They are game changers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 23 hours ago, mrags said: Oh we know. We also know it’s McDefenses favorite thing to do. Rotate 17 defensive linemen every game and see how little snaps he can give to the actual difference makers on the defense. Beane hasn't delivered any difference makers on the DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 52 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: That’s fair. But Chris Jones is the reason Allen didn’t complete that pass to Shakir. When Watt is off the field the Steelers never win. Aaron Donald is why Burrow missed Chase on that last play of the SB. Pass rushers are the WR of the defense. They are game changers. Those guys are all first ballot HoFers tho They just happen to all rush the QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 3 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Beane hasn't delivered any difference makers on the DL. Neither has his head coach and his defensive philosophy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 21 hours ago, Turbo44 said: I’m calling it now: Clowney post 6.1.24 using tre $$ Clown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 15 minutes ago, mrags said: Neither has his head coach and his defensive philosophy Can't made chicken salad out of chicken shite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 21 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Can't made chicken salad out of chicken shite Come on now They have oodles of top draft picks, expensive FAs, tons of resources put into the dline 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 51 minutes ago, mrags said: Neither has his head coach and his defensive philosophy I think it is on talent ultimately. Oliver apart. The guys just aren't that good and Beane has overpaid them IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Come on now They have oodles of top draft picks, expensive FAs, tons of resources put into the dline Guys like Trent Murphy, Quentin Jefferson, Mario Addison, Vernon Butler, and Boogie Basham strike fear into the hearts of OL and QB throughout the NFL. Will guys like Epenesa and Rousseau magically turn into "difference makers" in their 5th and 4th NFL seasons, respectively? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Guys like Trent Murphy, Quentin Jefferson, Mario Addison, Vernon Butler, and Boogie Basham strike fear into the hearts of OL and QB throughout the NFL. Will guys like Epenesa and Rousseau magically turn into "difference makers" in their 5th and 4th NFL seasons, respectively? So how many more early picks and FA dollars do they need to burn on dline until we have enough 'difference makers'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Definitely in play @28 or 60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think it is on talent ultimately. Oliver apart. The guys just aren't that good and Beane has overpaid them IMO. Yeah I don’t accept that. He’s had a top 5-10 defense pretty much since he’s been the HC. He manages to do so much with every other position. From mid to late round picks and undrafted picks starting and playing well all across the board. He just can’t seem to ever find a legit pass rush when it matters unless he blitzes the house. It’s defensive scheme, game planning, and play calling. And it’s all on the shoulders of McD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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