Cray51 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 9 minutes ago, MR8 said: This is like saying "Chick-fil-A is an upgrade to McDonald's".... While it may be true, maybe we'd rather not scarf down ***** fast food of any brand. You sound like a chipotle scarfing buffoon! Chic Fil A is some fine quality dining 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, Bruffalo said: The Chiefs whole WR room was filled with guys around Mack Hollins level this season and they managed to make it work. I'm not excited about this signing but it's not like he can be a Kelvin Benjamin level flop. He's a backup/ST guys primarily with some decent NFL experience. That's true, but it's more of a numbers game for the Chiefs. What I mean by that is that they have way more total number of receivers contributing to the passing offense. Last year their #2 wr in receptions was Justin Watson with 27. He had 2 TE's, a RB and another wr ahead of him. Which makes him #5 in receptions. And then they have 7 guys below him catch between 10-25 passes each, and another 6 that caught passes... Those bottom of the roster pass catchers produced nearly 150 receptions and 1500 yards with 9 TD's on last year. Whereas the bottom roster guys including Knox caught 77 passes for 644 yards and 6 TD's... I like this signing if he's wr 6 and we draft a #2 outside and a multi-functional slot / outside receiver to backup Shakir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I'm not sure if the guy was used properly in the past teams schemes. He's coming into a situation with an elite QB, adequate coaching and perhaps a chip on his shoulder, wanting to prove himself.......I think Hollins is going to surprise some people this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: The difference here being that he is a proven special teamer, which this team values (arguably overvalues). I get what you're saying though and I do think that's a valid argument to be made. At least you understand it. I understand the whole ST argument. I don’t agree with it but I understand it. It’s way overvalued by this team and HC. Even the league is doing its best to rid themselves of the kicking game. And yet we have a fossil at HC that not only refuses to spend resources and money on it, he welcomes it. but yes, my argument could be best summed up in a game of would you rather from last year. would you rather have: -Deonte Harty -Trent Sherfield -Tyler Matakevich or -Deandre Hopkins -2 scrub rookies trying to make a name for themselves on STs in the NFL anyone that would rather have the first group should just give up life now. There’s no hope for you. 7 minutes ago, Cray51 said: You sound like a chipotle scarfing buffoon! Chic Fil A is some fine quality dining Not as good as Popeyes 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Sweats said: I'm not sure if the guy was used properly in the past teams schemes. He's coming into a situation with an elite QB, adequate coaching and perhaps a chip on his shoulder, wanting to prove himself.......I think Hollins is going to surprise some people this year. So was Kumerow ... So was Harty ... So was Sherfield ... Sooner or later we gotta get it right?!? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 It's the Jake Kumerow role guys. Calm down. He's a great blocker at the X position and can catch a ball or two. He had significantly better production than both Sherfield and Kumerow the last several years with a worse QB. Cry about it all you want, it's a good signing. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Sweats said: I'm not sure if the guy was used properly in the past teams schemes. He's coming into a situation with an elite QB, adequate coaching and perhaps a chip on his shoulder, wanting to prove himself.......I think Hollins is going to surprise some people this year. He did some nice things with the Raiders, so I agree, but I don’t like the fact he’s thirty. In today’s NFL that seems to be the expiration date for productive wide receiver play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I like this signing if he's wr 6 and we draft a #2 outside and a multi-functional slot / outside receiver to backup Shakir. I gotta believe this is the plan, although he might be higher than 6 depending how Shorter / Hamler / other later round rookie WRs pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Sweats said: I'm not sure if the guy was used properly in the past teams schemes. He's coming into a situation with an elite QB, adequate coaching and perhaps a chip on his shoulder, wanting to prove himself.......I think Hollins is going to surprise some people this year. Going from Desmond Ridder to Allen might be a slight upgrade for him. He is a similar player to Davis. Plus blocker and decent down the field. Fills a hole on the roster. He is the line Shorter would have to surpass to make the team and see playing time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Bruffalo said: I gotta believe this is the plan, although he might be higher than 6 depending how Shorter / Hamler / other later round rookie WRs pan out. He did have one season a while ago where he did look good. But I think as Bills fans we need to stop tying ourselves in knots of wishful thinking. I'm assuming he's a good blocker, so yeah he's replacing Sherfield. But Sherfield was in the game way too often in key passing downs. Hopefully Hollins can be a 20 reception guy while not having to be that outside receiver running a crucial route on 3rd and 15 late in the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: No, a rebuild year because we created several large holes with massive holes already on the roster and we have not been serious about replacing them. We can't get a WR2 in the draft because McD doesn't play rookies. Unless there's a trade (unlikely), Hollins is your #2 for at least 6 games. You might want to fact check your statements before you post them in the future. All of the Bills' first round picks started as rookies: Tre White - started all 16 games as a rookie Josh Allen - started 11 games as a rookie Tremaine Edmunds - started all 15 games he played as a rookie Ed Oliver - started 7 games as a rookie Greg Rosseau - started all 17 games as a rookie Kaiir Elam - started 6 games as a rookie Dalton Kincaid - started 11 games as a rookie Moreover, these 2nd rounders started as rookies: Dion Dawkins - started 11 games as a rookie Cody Ford - started 15 games as a rookie A.J. Epenesa - started 1 game as a rookie O'Cyrus Torrence - started all 17 games as a rookie Here are the other rookies who have started for the Bills as rookies: Spencer Brown - started 10 games as a rookie (3rd rounder) Devin Singletary - started 8 games as a rookie (3rd rounder) Taron Johnson - started 2 games as a rookie (4th rounder) Matt Milano - started 5 games as a rookie (5th rounder) Christian Benford - started 5 games as a rookie (6th rounder) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 holy ***** this thread is a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 28 minutes ago, damj said: $3 million? And its all coming out of your allowance and tax dollars! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Wow. This guy hasn't done squat. And this is the WR signing to help the WR room? This has to be a Kick returner right? 131 receptions in 6 years? I look at the eye rolls etc. What has he done? Let me guess this is ANOTHER beane WR signing that will magically become something catching balls from Allen. Pardon me if I have seen this movie a ton of times. Last year we signed 2 of them and let them walk this offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 minutes ago, Rigotz said: It's the Jake Kumerow role guys. Calm down. He's a great blocker at the X position and can catch a ball or two. He had significantly better production than both Sherfield and Kumerow the last several years with a worse QB. Cry about it all you want, it's a good signing. Come on! If it’s not a Deandre Hopkins, Tee Higgins or Calvin Ridley signing, people will be upset. We all know the Bills have unlimited cap space…🙄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Taro Nimbus said: Come on! If it’s not a Deandre Hopkins, Tee Higgins or Calvin Ridley signing, people will be upset. We all know the Bills have unlimited cap space…🙄 Exactly why they shouldn’t waste what little cap space they have on a guy that provides almost zero impact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: Beane is unreal at signing crap players when we need impact players at the position. Especially this year with money being so tight. What "impact" WRs would you suggest for the money the Bills have to spend???? Keep in mind that the Bills have to have STers, and not all "impact" players are interested in playing ST even if they are willing to take less money to play for a contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 18 minutes ago, Rigotz said: It's the Jake Kumerow role guys. Calm down. He's a great blocker at the X position and can catch a ball or two. He had significantly better production than both Sherfield and Kumerow the last several years with a worse QB. Cry about it all you want, it's a good signing. If he replaces Neal at gunner than there's a good chance we can go back to carrying 6 wr's as well. So it's: 1. Diggs 2. Draft (1st or 2nd round) 3. Shakir 4. Draft (please) 5. Hollins vs. Shorter 6. ??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: If he replaces Neal at gunner than there's a good chance we can go back to carrying 6 wr's as well. So it's: 1. Diggs 2. Draft (1st or 2nd round) 3. Shakir 4. Draft (please) 5. Hollins vs. Shorter 6. ??? Even this frightens me 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: If he replaces Neal at gunner than there's a good chance we can go back to carrying 6 wr's as well. So it's: 1. Diggs 2. Draft (1st or 2nd round) 3. Shakir 4. Draft (please) 5. Hollins vs. Shorter 6. ??? 6 is the guy that doesn’t make 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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