The Firebaugh Kid Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Unless there’s a crazy run on receivers and we have to jump into the early 20s I honestly think the bills can sit tight and get their future wide receiver number one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 How do you know if you’re trading up for Julio Jones or Sammy Watkins? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 11 minutes ago, Cash said: How do you know if you’re trading up for Julio Jones or Sammy Watkins? Have to ask the fella if he believes the earth is flat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 54 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Joe Brady coached a couple real good ones at LSU in Chase and Jefferson. He needs to be part of the WR conversation for sure. we’ll take both LSU WR’s that are going in the 1st. Please and thank you NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Oh, and it's generally accepted that the Julio Jones trade was a success. And that's questionable. There's a very legitimate argument that it was a failure. Julio is a terrific player, there can be no reasonable argument against that. But did they give up too much? In 2010, Atlanta went 13-3. They felt they were only a player or two away and made the Julio trade. The next year they went 10-6, despite Julio putting up more than 900 yards. The year after that, 13-3. The year after that, 4-12. That was followed by 6-10, 8-8 and finally the one year they made the Super Bowl but lost to the Patriots in Jones' sixth year. A lot of their problems in those years came down to a lack of good players ... players who might have been on the team if not for the Julio trade. If they win that Super Bowl, the argument's over. But they didn't. Lombardis justify just about any tactic. But they lost. Was the difference between Julio Jones and a replacement guy acquired after #27 or in a trade worth all they gave away? Questionable. Yeah, not agreeing with me makes plenty of sense a pretty fair number of times. But calling Beane "horrible" is disagreeing with anyone with a brain cell count in the triple digits or above. It's dumb. Imo, saying if they won the Super Bowl, it was a good tactic is a very simplistic and again, imo, wrong way to evaluate personnel decisions. The Chiefs drafted CEH in the first and went to two SB’s and won one, potentially two, while he was on the team. Does that make drafting him the right decision? I don’t think so. 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Well the curse of the Bambino........as @FireChans compared this too........wasn't a curse because it prevented the Red Sox from winning the World Series 26 more times between 1918 and 2004............it was that it would soon elevate a league rival to seemingly previously unattainable championship status and the Red Sox then failed to win a WS for the rest of Ruth's career and another 86 years thereafter in total. Whether Mahomes and the Bills then went to 6 straight conference title games and 4 Super Bowls in that span isn't the point. One SB appearance alone would have trumped any of the Bills accomplishments since. And to the idea that Mahomes wouldn't have been great in Buffalo...........how can anyone say that after Josh Allen basically evolved from a scattershot 52% passer into one of the best in the league under this regime? That argument that Mahomes wouldn't have been able to be great in Buffalo has never held any water. Mahomes was a much closer to finished product than Allen. Andy Reid and the Chiefs weren't magicians. Reid had never won a SB in nearly 20 seasons as a HC and the fans there were antsy about his playoff choke jobs since taking over. His seat there was warm. And at that point and the Chiefs organization was almost 50 years since their only prior SB win. Bingo. The debate shouldn’t be “do we win 3 Superbowls and go to 6 AFCCG games with Mahomes instead of Allen?” The debate is “if Sean McDermott doesn’t make the trade to give the Chiefs Mahomes, and he either selects him or still takes Allen the next year, are the Bills more successful than we have been currently?” The answer is overwhelmingly, yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Ok NOW we're going to urgently find a WR? Now that we're in Cap hell? We need to draft one or two. I just don't have faith that the coaches would play them. I'd like to see a Green Bay approach and send them out there and get experience. First drop or fumbleCD will bench the guys for 4 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 6 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said: Ok NOW we're going to urgently find a WR? Now that we're in Cap hell? We need to draft one or two. I just don't have faith that the coaches would play them. I'd like to see a Green Bay approach and send them out there and get experience. First drop or fumbleCD will bench the guys for 4 weeks. Gabe Davis, a fourth round draft pick, had 10 games of over 60% of offensive snaps as a rookie. 12 games if you go down to 59% of snaps. Put another way, as a rookie, he had 1 game where he played less than 40% of offensive snaps. So where does this criticism come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 with all the injuries the Biils have every season they need as many warm bodies from the draft they can get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Holy crap, have people not learned 10 years after Sammy Watkins? I don't care how good you think the WR is - you don't trade future #1 picks for anyone other than a QB That was true then, it's true now, and it will still be true in 10 more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Funny how it's Julio Jones and not Sammy Watkins... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 The only way I can justify a trade up for a WR is if it's in the 2nd round. Say a defensive guy we LOVE falls to us at 28. We may go defense there, and then I can see Beane moving up as high as he can in the 2nd to get whoever is still there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Well the curse of the Bambino........as @FireChans compared this too........wasn't a curse because it prevented the Red Sox from winning the World Series 26 more times between 1918 and 2004............it was that it would soon elevate a league rival to seemingly previously unattainable championship status and the Red Sox then failed to win a WS for the rest of Ruth's career and another 86 years thereafter in total. Whether Mahomes and the Bills then went to 6 straight conference title games and 4 Super Bowls in that span isn't the point. One SB appearance alone would have trumped any of the Bills accomplishments since. And to the idea that Mahomes wouldn't have been great in Buffalo...........how can anyone say that after Josh Allen basically evolved from a scattershot 52% passer into one of the best in the league under this regime? That argument that Mahomes wouldn't have been able to be great in Buffalo has never held any water. Mahomes was a much closer to finished product than Allen. Andy Reid and the Chiefs weren't magicians. Reid had never won a SB in nearly 20 seasons as a HC and the fans there were antsy about his playoff choke jobs since taking over. His seat there was warm. And at that point and the Chiefs organization was almost 50 years since their only prior SB win. Mahomes entered the league with a load of talent, but also awful habits of chucking the ball up into coverage and bailing out the back of the pocket under pressure, etc. Never operated under center, chaotic footwork, blah blah. He needed that redshirt season to put a more composed product on the field once he got his shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 23 hours ago, Shaw66 said: The Bills need to restock the defense. Yep, this should be Beane's number one priority. We're banged up and getting old on defense. We all saw how EASY it is for the opposing team to score on us especially Mahomes and Kelce today. We will still get a top flight WR somewhere. Beane has to trade for MORE picks, not TRADE UP for a WR. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Mahomes entered the league with a load of talent, but also awful habits of chucking the ball up into coverage and bailing out the back of the pocket under pressure, etc. Never operated under center, chaotic footwork, blah blah. He needed that redshirt season to put a more composed product on the field once he got his shot. I don't see where that counters any point I made. It's a straw man because I never said there weren't questions with Mahomes. They were just minor concerns given his incredible talent. And proved to be so. Mahomes threw for almost 10,000 yards and 77 TD's in his 2 full seasons as a starter at Texas Tech. Allen was far more raw and far less accomplished with all of the very same concerns and then some. They chose him 7th overall after passing on Mahomes. Allen becoming a top QB from the place he started is a thing of legend in the scouting community. Which is why it's just laughable that people think Mahomes wouldn't have become great in Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 2/3/2024 at 2:35 PM, Maynard said: I’m not really sure what the answer is. I’d love to have Odunze here though. Legette please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 If Atlanta would have won the super bowl I would say this thought has sound logic but a WR by itself with the necessary capital to get there does not make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Mahomes entered the league with a load of talent, but also awful habits of chucking the ball up into coverage and bailing out the back of the pocket under pressure, etc. Never operated under center, chaotic footwork, blah blah. He needed that redshirt season to put a more composed product on the field once he got his shot. Was it a good move to give him to a team with an established franchise QB to sit behind and a bunch of underpaid future hall of famers in our conference then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 I not only trade up, I reach into next year to fix our problems without destroying the cap further, and work to get out of cap hell while still improving the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Gabe Davis, a fourth round draft pick, had 10 games of over 60% of offensive snaps as a rookie. 12 games if you go down to 59% of snaps. Put another way, as a rookie, he had 1 game where he played less than 40% of offensive snaps. So where does this criticism come from? I get it. 35 catches and 7tds. Good red zone guy, blocker and a need. Gabe, to me, is a little bit of an outlier. So you may not like my answer (you may idk) but I'm looking at guys like cook, yep he was behind Singletary, shakir to a good degree and Kincaid (yes I understand that Kincaid was somewhat historical) but how many times did we see cook benched for fumbling when other fumbled and still played? How often did we see shinier make plays with the limited opportunity and wonder why he wasn't ever given more chances? Kincaid was used what around week 5 or so and then would get plays at the beginning of a game and then we wouldn't see home the rest of the game. The dude could have been used way more and succeeded. I don't have all the answers. It's an eye thing. It's also a thing that many have talked about so I in ow I'm not alone when I just think that Buffalo is slow to get their rookie skill guys playing. I hope that clears up where I'm coming from be it correct on my part or not. Go Bills!....next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Use your draft picks for WR, DT,safety,Center, Cb get young and fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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