The Jokeman Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 17 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I was being a smart ass man, let’s be frank you or I, or anyone else on this board have no idea what the Bills are going to do. You have no idea if they will take Malachi Corley or any other perceived slot or small WR. I also have no clue if they are only targeting big WRs. At least I’ve been willing to discuss all options both WR and non WR at 28 instead of pigeonholing myself to 3 human beings like 90% of this board has done. I was one of the first who brought up both McConkey and Roman Wilson who will both go around ish the Bills pick only to be told nope impossible. I sat here and talked about DT being a legit possibility which it still is in round 1 when Jeremiah mocked Jerzahn Newton but no one wants to have an open mind because it’s Brian Thomas, AD Mitchell or Xavier Legette or bust on this board I understand your thoughts on DT but the big issue is there aren't many great 1 tech projects or NT in this year's draft. The 3 DL id be interested at pick 28 are Newton and Darius Robinson are definitely guys id look at. Yet admit the 3 WRs you mention appeal to me as well. Ultimately if go by value based drafting I'd prob take DL in the first and wait on WR as think can find quality WRs later and feel they can be developing wheras big guys rely a lot more on natural talent/scheme fit. Edited March 25 by The Jokeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 48 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If the Vikings trade up to 4 or 5 and take a QB, perhaps NYG is willing to move out of 6? 28, 60, 4th, 2025 1st & 3rd ? select Malik Nabers I’m at the point my preferred WR’s are Nabers, MHJ, Odunze, BTJ I want a top WR prospect but the whole thing about this class is how deep WR is so trading up is likely poor value, even with how good the top 3 are projected to be. Much likelier imho that we trade up once again ahead of the Cowboys if a WR we really like is there at 23. (We’ll see who has that pick by Draft weekend, but seeming unlikely it will remain the Vikings.) Maybe we jump the Jaguars up to 16 with Seattle but even that price is likely too steep for a GM who seems hell bent on fielding a younger cost-controlled team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: I understand your thoughts on DT but the big issue is there aren't many great 1 tech projects or NT in this year's drafts. The 3 DL id be interested at pick 28 are Newton and Darius Robinson are definitely guys id look at but admit the 3 WRs you mention appeal to me as well ultimately if go by value based drafting I'd prob take DL in the first and wait on WR as think can find quality WRs later and feel they can be developing wheras big guys rely a lot more on natural talent/scheme fit. I get the need for a bigger WR. I also think there is very little chance that Brian Thomas and AD Mitchell are on the board when the Bills pick. I also think that the Bills not getting a 3rd round comp pick is going to hinder the possibility of trading up. That leaves Legette and even Gunner , who is a huge fan of him had readily admitted people in the industry don’t see him as a 1st rounder even tho he does. I see him as a late round 2 guy but had him going 43 in my latest mock. I just don’t think the 3 guys people constantly talk about are truly feasible options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: I want a top WR prospect but the whole thing about this class is how deep WR is so trading up is likely poor value, even with how good the top 3 are projected to be. Much likelier imho that we trade up once again ahead of the Cowboys if a WR we really like is there at 23. (We’ll see who has that pick by Draft weekend, but seeming unlikely it will remain the Vikings.) Maybe we jump the Jaguars up to 16 with Seattle but even that price is likely too steep for a GM who seems hell bent on fielding a younger cost-controlled team. I think Nabers is an exceptional talent. He might go before MHJ. But this year's first and second, and a fourth, and next year's first and third? That is simply an impossible price to pay. (Just citing the cost speculated by the fella you are responding to.) If you think Thomas is going to grow into WR1, you could try and pay the price to move up to #16. Anything more expensive is reckless and irresponsible. Edited March 25 by Dr. Who 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 43 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I get the need for a bigger WR. I also think there is very little chance that Brian Thomas and AD Mitchell are on the board when the Bills pick. I also think that the Bills not getting a 3rd round comp pick is going to hinder the possibility of trading up. That leaves Legette and even Gunner , who is a huge fan of him had readily admitted people in the industry don’t see him as a 1st rounder even tho he does. I see him as a late round 2 guy but had him going 43 in my latest mock. I just don’t think the 3 guys people constantly talk about are truly feasible options I'm a Legette fan. He's a borderline 1st Rounder in my eyes and wouldn't mind taking him at 28 pending what DL are left on the board. That said I see it's a good draft for WRs and if get one later am okay but to me they have to have size (see 6'1 or taller and 190 lbs or more) and (speed) 4.55 been talking up Cornelius Johnson as much as I can as think he's a sleeper pick if can get him in Round 4. Edited March 25 by The Jokeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Smart WR’s that can play everywhere on our roster is Stefon Diggs, that’s it. Im not sure why you’re so worked up over those comments? McKenzie definitely couldn’t play everywhere. That's what the Bills have said about every one of these guys at various points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said: That's what the Bills have said about every one of these guys at various points. We’re not drafting a McKenzie like WR in the 1st or 2nd round. Whoever we get is going to be a very talented WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We’re not drafting a McKenzie like WR in the 1st or 2nd round. Whoever we get is going to be a very talented WR. I get that in terms of talent, but my point is we need a guy who is a boundary receiver first, and I hope they will prioritize that over a "jack of all trades" who isn't going make us better at WR2. I'd rather have a very good to great boundary receiver than a guy who is pretty good at several things but not great at any one of them (which is the type of guy we seem to have brought in in the last several years.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Jokeman said: I'm a Legette fan. He's a borderline 1st Rounder in my eyes and wouldn't mind taking him at 28 pending what DL are left on the board. That said I see it's a good draft for WRs and if get one later am okay but to me they have to have size (see 6'1 or taller and 190 lbs or more) and (speed) 4.55 been talking up Cornelius Johnson as much as I can as think he's a sleeper pick if can get him in Round 4. I’ve always stated it’s a good year to get 2 WRs and agree we need some sort of size component with one of them. A guy that I really like as a big WR to take late is: JT Clarke WR UTSA- Dude is super talented at give or take 6’2 215. The reason why he won’t go is he’s a medical guy. 2 torn ACLs and an ankle will ward off a lot of teams but I really like him if he can bounce back. Take a look he’s literally not found on a lot of boards because he didn’t play at all in 2023 I also like the Janke(pronounced Yawnke) twins from SDSU but they have yet to test so I don’t want to put my stamp on them. They will on Wednesday Edited March 26 by gonzo1105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 13 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: I get that in terms of talent, but my point is we need a guy who is a boundary receiver first, and I hope they will prioritize that over a "jack of all trades" who isn't going make us better at WR2. I'd rather have a very good to great boundary receiver than a guy who is pretty good at several things but not great at any one of them (which is the type of guy we seem to have brought in in the last several years.) Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson are probably the best slot WRs in the league. Meaning they can line up anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 17 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I’ve always stated it’s a good year to get 2 WRs and agree we need some sort of size component with one of them. A guy that I really like as a big WR to take late is: JT Clarke WR UTSA- Dude is super talented at give or take 6’2 215. The reason why he won’t go is he’s a medical guy. 2 torn ACLs and an ankle will ward off a lot of teams but I really like him if he can bounce back. Take a look he’s literally not found on a lot of boards because he didn’t play at all in 2023 I also like the Janke(pronounced Yawnke) twins from SDSU but they have yet to test so I don’t want to put my stamp on them. They will on Wednesday Have you taken a look at Jalen Coker out of Holy Cross by any chance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Have you taken a look at Jalen Coker out of Holy Cross by any chance? Yea I watched his game against UB. I wasn’t surprised when he tested at 6’1. He was listed at 6’3 in the program and I was like no way at the game. He has good body control and he’s a very good hands catcher. He doesn’t really separate a ton from guys granted it was against an FBS team but he adjusts well to throws. I was disappointed in his height measurement as well as his slower time.He has really good other testing numbers but I didn’t see that explosion much like with AD Mitchell when you watch his tape. I think he could be a good boundary possession receiver with time. Would look best in a west coast system imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 minute ago, gonzo1105 said: Yea I watched his game against UB. I wasn’t surprised when he tested at 6’1. He was listed at 6’3 in the program and I was like no way at the game. He has good body control and he’s a very good hands catcher. He doesn’t really separate a ton from guys granted it was against an FBS team but he adjusts well to throws. I was disappointed in his height measurement as well as his slower time.He has really good other testing numbers but I didn’t see that explosion much like with AD Mitchell when you watch his tape. I think he could be a good boundary possession receiver with time. Would look best in a west coast system imo Thanks, I couldn't find much on him, and was curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) Xavier Legette meets most, if not all of the criteria Beane has spoken about IMO Concerns: 1 year of production. A few years older than other WR’s Edited March 26 by Warriorspikes51 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 This is why I’m team Coleman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 20 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: This is why I’m team Coleman He is certainly intriguing. I see him as a swing for the fences pick. Could blow up in our face, could be the 3rd or 4th best WR in the class. I am team "whomever can be fill our X position within 2 years" guy, whether that's a big body guy or a great route runner (or both), unless a stud pass rusher or 3T falls way down to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 25 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: This is why I’m team Coleman I’m weary of him being a total bust for some reason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 47 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: This is why I’m team Coleman That helped increase my excitement about Coleman! The comments about stepping on the toes was interesting, so many people were talking about Coleman's lack of separation and this analysis was stating it was by design. And with the low drop rate seemed like it worked well. If Coleman and Legette are both there, I can see Beane dropping back because either of them seem like great fits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Xavier Legette meets most, if not all of the criteria Beane has spoken about IMO Concerns: 1 year of production. A few years older than other WR’s A FEW years older than the other WR's? There isn't a Top WR in this Draft he's a full 3 years older than. By the time the Draft rolls around there's going to be people saying he's 30. Sure, after spending 5 years in College and some coming out after 3, there's a total of 4 WR's in my Top 22 guys that he's over 2 years older than. And of those 4, there isn't one he's even 2 and 1/2 years older than. Legette isn't even the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd oldest amongst my Top 22 WR's in this Draft. Ricky Pearsall, Jamari Thrash, and Cornelius Johnson are older than Xavier Legette. Roman Wilson, Devontez Walker, Luke McCaffrey, and Jermaine Burton are under 6 months younger than Legette. Hell, everyone's favorite WR Ladd McConkey isn't even a full 10 months younger than he is. Yet when people talk of Pearsall, McConkey, Wilson, and others - their age is never brought up or looked at as a concern. But with Legette, he's considered *ancient*. If Legette's age is SUCH an issue, so should it be a concern mentioned for favorites like Pearsall, Wilson, and McConkey. Date of Birth: Ricky Pearsall - 9/9/00 Cornelius Johnson - 11/29/00 Jamari Thrash - 12/19/00 Xavier Legette - 1/29/01 Luke McCaffrey - 4/2/01 Roman Wilson - 6/19/01 Devontez Walker - 6/19/01 Jermaine Burton - 6/28/01 Ladd McConkey - 11/11/01 Jalen McMillan - 12/7/01 Javon Baker - 2/18/02 Brendan Rice - 3/18/02 Malachi Corley - 3/21/02 Ja'Lynn Polk - 4/11/02 Rome Odunze - 6/3/02 Marvin Harrison Jr. - 8/11/02 Adonai Mitchell - 10/8/02 Brian Thomas Jr. - 10/18/02 Troy Franklin - 2/6/03 Xavier Worthy - 4/27/03 Keon Coleman - 5/17/03 Malik Nabers - 7/28/03 Edited March 26 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Charlie Campbell is supposedly pretty plugged in. His latest mock has the top 3 all gone by pick 6. Then it's a long wait. The next WR is at #28. It's not what I would do. He has the Bills taking Worthy as WR4. Thomas goes #31 to the Niners, and KC takes Mitchell. I would not be happy with that, but at least it isn't DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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