Alphadawg7 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Xavier Legette meets most, if not all of the criteria Beane has spoken about IMO Concerns: 1 year of production. A few years older than other WR’s Those are not his only concerns...just to name a few... He is more of a strider, so takes longer to get up to his top speeds and mostly in straight lines He doesn't have great acceleration or burst, concerns it will limit his effectiveness at all 3 phases and make him more of a deep ball specialist Struggles with press coverage Isn't a polished route runner and may be limited to more of a downfield WR than a true WR1 who can attack all 3 phases of the defen Is Leggette an intriguing prospect...Yes. But, of anyone we can take at 28, he has probably the most risk with the lowest floor. With how deep the first 10-11 WRs are in this draft, I think Leggette is most likely going to go in the 2nd, which is where I would prefer to take him. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Those are not his only concerns...just to name a few... He is more of a strider, so takes longer to get up to his top speeds and mostly in straight lines He doesn't have great acceleration or burst, concerns it will limit his effectiveness at all 3 phases and make him more of a deep ball specialist Struggles with press coverage Isn't a polished route runner and may be limited to more of a downfield WR than a true WR1 who can attack all 3 phases of the defen Is Leggette an intriguing prospect...Yes. But, of anyone we can take at 28, he has probably the most risk with the lowest floor. With how deep the first 10-11 WRs are in this draft, I think Leggette is most likely going to go in the 2nd, which is where I would prefer to take him. You know you can do this with anyone right? Adonai Mitchell: - Intensity can fluctuate from game to game. - Allows smaller players into his space to contest catches. - Cradle-catcher who fights football when catching with hands. - Needs to keep routes on time with better efficiency and finish. - Doesn’t play with aggression or sustain when asked to run block. Ladd McConkey: - Modest play strength could create issues in beating press. - Limited production in 2023 due to back and ankle injuries. - Alarming number of deep ball-tracking drops in 2022. - Average acceleration driving through route stems. Xavier Worthy: - Thin and lacking functional strength to fight through press. - Needs to improve efficiency and quickness getting off the ball. - Lack of hand strength gets him bullied on contested catches. - Takes reps off when he’s not expecting the throw to come his way. - Fails to adjust his speed to ball placement consistently enough. Brian Thomas Jr.: - Needs to pick up his route pace and salesmanship as a pro. - Will battle occasional focus drops. - Can avoid catch contact by working back to the throw. - Fast but possesses average run-after-catch talent. - Might need to ramp up physicality against clingy coverage. Edited March 26 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 57 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You know you can do this with anyone right? Adonai Mitchell: - Intensity can fluctuate from game to game. - Allows smaller players into his space to contest catches. - Cradle-catcher who fights football when catching with hands. - Needs to keep routes on time with better efficiency and finish. - Doesn’t play with aggression or sustain when asked to run block. Ladd McConkey: - Modest play strength could create issues in beating press. - Limited production in 2023 due to back and ankle injuries. - Alarming number of deep ball-tracking drops in 2022. - Average acceleration driving through route stems. Xavier Worthy: - Thin and lacking functional strength to fight through press. - Needs to improve efficiency and quickness getting off the ball. - Lack of hand strength gets him bullied on contested catches. - Takes reps off when he’s not expecting the throw to come his way. - Fails to adjust his speed to ball placement consistently enough. Brian Thomas Jr.: - Needs to pick up his route pace and salesmanship as a pro. - Will battle occasional focus drops. - Can avoid catch contact by working back to the throw. - Fast but possesses average run-after-catch talent. - Might need to ramp up physicality against clingy coverage. LOL...then you can say the 20th ranked WR is as safe as the 3rd ranked WR because they all have pros and cons. I am not saying Legette is the only one with a pros and cons list, every player in NFL history has that. So, no...you can't actually because each prospect is different, as are their pros and cons...so a blanket statement like you just made isn't relevant in comparing the players. The actual strengths and weaknesses of each player need to be individually considered in how you rank/grade said player. The ones around Legette specifically concern me. We are talking about an heir to Diggs...Diggs is a dawg...he is a threat at all 3 phases of the field, including for multiple years was one of the best deep ball and contested catch WR's in the NFL. Legette however has a lot of the same concerns that plagued Gabe Davis with limited route tree, struggles with press coverage, more of a strider making his best trait a deep ball threat. I want a true WR1 out of this draft that will be the heir Diggs as WR1 as early as potentially next year. So sorry, no disrespect, but don't dismiss my concerns around Legette as "you can do that with everyone" because that just has nothing to do with what I am concerned about with him vs other players we could take. I won't be mad if we take Legette, he is an intriguing prospect, but doesn't change the fact his specific concerns are ones that I think make him a bit riskier than others. Edited March 27 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Xavier Legette meets most, if not all of the criteria Beane has spoken about IMO Concerns: 1 year of production. A few years older than other WR’s I always enjoy when different stat trackers cite the same statistic with completely different numbers. Warren Sharp has Legette at 4.0 YPRR this past season while PFF has him at 3.2 (which is still very good, but merely 8th in the class instead of 1st). He was also, as you could probably guess based on his numbers the prior season, dead last in YPRR that year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 30 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I always enjoy when different stat trackers cite the same statistic with completely different numbers. Warren Sharp has Legette at 4.0 YPRR this past season while PFF has him at 3.2 (which is still very good, but merely 8th in the class instead of 1st). He was also, as you could probably guess based on his numbers the prior season, dead last in YPRR that year. against man coverage 4.0 is the claim I know some of his backstory. Both of his parents died before he finished high school. He’s had a tough road. I heard a clip of a South Carolina reporter/journalist rave about how Legette got so good because of his insane work ethic in the offseason. He seems like a guy you’d love to root for Edited March 27 by Warriorspikes51 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Xavier Legette meets most, if not all of the criteria Beane has spoken about IMO Concerns: 1 year of production. A few years older than other WR’s The NFL is a zone league. You want WRs that understand how to beat zone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The NFL is a zone league. You want WRs that understand how to beat zone. the Bills problem is not beating zone. We have no one on the roster that is elite against man (at least not last year) if I recall, we faced the highest % of man coverage in the league Edited March 27 by Warriorspikes51 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 14 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: against man coverage 4.0 is the claim I know some of his backstory. Both of his parents died before he finished high school. He’s had a tough road. I heard a clip of a South Carolina reporter/journalist rave about how Legette got so good because of his insane work ethic in the offseason. He seems like a guy you’d love to root for Most of these guys come from broken homes, poor, bad areas or all of the above. His story, while sad, isn’t unique unfortunately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 20 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: the Bills problem is not beating zone. We have no one on the roster that is elite against man (at least not last year) if I recall, we faced the highest % of man coverage in the league Still face more zone than man, mostly because Josh Allen will kill you vs man. Man is a dying coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Literally me when someone mentions Troy Franklin in Round 1 still: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxjELuuXoO_GJMPSrqpCSJdfJRIAL64mpp (Clip won't embed for some reason) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: against man coverage 4.0 is the claim I know some of his backstory. Both of his parents died before he finished high school. He’s had a tough road. I heard a clip of a South Carolina reporter/journalist rave about how Legette got so good because of his insane work ethic in the offseason. He seems like a guy you’d love to root for Oh duh lol I was reading the wrong part of the chart. 4.0 still isn't #1 in the class though (but it is #2). Anthony Gould was at 4.3 this year. 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The NFL is a zone league. You want WRs that understand how to beat zone. That's what Kincaid and Shakir are for. Those two (and Diggs, who is good against basically any coverage) are great against the zone. Aside from Diggs, we don't really have anyone that excels against man coverage (Samuel theoretically has the skills to be but simply hasn't done it to this point in his career). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 26 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Oh duh lol I was reading the wrong part of the chart. 4.0 still isn't #1 in the class though (but it is #2). Anthony Gould was at 4.3 this year. That's what Kincaid and Shakir are for. Those two (and Diggs, who is good against basically any coverage) are great against the zone. Aside from Diggs, we don't really have anyone that excels against man coverage (Samuel theoretically has the skills to be but simply hasn't done it to this point in his career). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDad51 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 McConkey's numbers from Georgia pro day per The Athletic: Georgia’s event this year was highlighted by standout WR Ladd McConkey’s agility scores. McConkey ran a reported 3.97-second short shuttle with a 6.72 three-cone. Both are elite times, particularly the short shuttle, which would have been the top time across all positions at this year’s combine. McConkey’s tape shows his terrific short-area quicks. It also shows that he has great speed, which he confirmed with a 4.39 40 at the combine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 38 minutes ago, BillsDad51 said: McConkey's numbers from Georgia pro day per The Athletic: Georgia’s event this year was highlighted by standout WR Ladd McConkey’s agility scores. McConkey ran a reported 3.97-second short shuttle with a 6.72 three-cone. Both are elite times, particularly the short shuttle, which would have been the top time across all positions at this year’s combine. McConkey’s tape shows his terrific short-area quicks. It also shows that he has great speed, which he confirmed with a 4.39 40 at the combine. He'd be redundant in this WR room. The Bills already have Diggs, Samuel, and Shakir. Get somebody that'll add an extra dimension to this receiving corps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 14 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: He'd be redundant in this WR room. The Bills already have Diggs, Samuel, and Shakir. Get somebody that'll add an extra dimension to this receiving corps. Which top WR draft prospects do you think are not redundant and would add that extra dimension? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Which top WR draft prospects do you think are not redundant and would add that extra dimension? The same 3 guys that get spewed here all the time. Thomas, Michell, Legette. Franklin and Coleman also fit that mold but the vast majority will tell you they don’t want them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) Anyone else feel like we won’t be getting a pick with a 1st round grade at 28, and that the best option would be to trade back, allowing us to get WR, DE and DT? Edited March 27 by JaCrispy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 16 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You know you can do this with anyone right? Adonai Mitchell: - Intensity can fluctuate from game to game. - Allows smaller players into his space to contest catches. - Cradle-catcher who fights football when catching with hands. - Needs to keep routes on time with better efficiency and finish. - Doesn’t play with aggression or sustain when asked to run block. 🤨 I don't see that at all. Is that a serious knock on him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 35 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: The same 3 guys that get spewed here all the time. Thomas, Michell, Legette. Franklin and Coleman also fit that mold but the vast majority will tell you they don’t want them Is there something other than size and being “boundary WRs” that sets those guys apart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Is there something other than size and being “boundary WRs” that sets those guys apart? Thomas, Mitchell and Legette have size and speed. Franklin/Coleman either thinner or slower and as result perceived less than ideal. Now I could argue Cornelius Johnson, Bub Means, De'Corian Clark fit this mold of boundary WRs but may not be as NFL ready as the first 3. Edited March 27 by The Jokeman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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