So how are we feeling about Coach McDermott?

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

how much of the bolded is Beane, and how much is McDermott?

 

They are a team.

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

What are you, his mom?  

 

He hasn't answered them directly.  He's hedging, as he often does.  I'm just not letting him off the hook.  

 

 

 

No I answered your question. Very directly. When someone gives an answer you don't like you accuse them of not answering.

[Bermuda Triangle]

5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

They are a team.

So we can blame McDermott for the Cody Ford, Zack Moss and Elam draft picks?

[ToGoGo]

People don’t like to be wrong. 
 

They’ll always be too hard on McDermott no matter what. 

[NeverOutNick]

Hate to say it because McDermott is who he is and we’ve topped out with how dynamic we can be with him leading us but if we get the 2 seed and win at least one playoff game, he will be our HC next year.

 

If we miss the playoffs or lose first round of the playoffs we NEED to move on. Go hard after Jim Harbaugh, who I believe would pick us as his #1 place to coach because of Josh. 
 

Do I believe the bills will do this? No. Brandon Beane is a great GM but also most likely feels like he “owes” his job to McD and also probably feels like he is tied to McD and if McD goes then he goes too. I don’t feel the same way but internally I bet that’s the thought process and the reason nothing will change

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I like McD and want him to be the one who brings us home a Super Bowl.

 

He is a good man.

 

But there are still some gameday issues that bother me. For example, yesterday, when we did the whole “fake like you’re going to go for 4th and 1” game… why did he call a timeout? Just take the delay of game if you’re going to punt regardless. Save that timeout.

 

The other flaw that bothers me is his persistence in keeping bad players on the field for too long. Von should have been sat weeks ago. I understand he is coming back from an industry but he is not helping us as a team yet. So sit him. Same with Murray.

 

Stuff like that bugs me, but I guess no-one is perfect.

 

On that timeout on Sunday I mean given where the clock was (we weren't going to use it, punting with 1:16 left in the half) the 5 yards for the punt mattered more. My first reaction was also "take the delay" but actually Martin pinned them with the punt and they knelt. Had the punt resulted in a touchback or a return maybe the Pats try a screen or something safe at least. I think on reflection it was a pretty good decision because the punter executed.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

On that timeout on Sunday I mean given where the clock was (we weren't going to use it, punting with 1:16 left in the half) the 5 yards for the punt mattered more. My first reaction was also "take the delay" but actually Martin pinned them with the punt and they knelt. Had the punt resulted in a touchback or a return maybe the Pats try a screen or something safe at least. I think on reflection it was a pretty good decision because the punter executed.

 

You feel the 5 yards would have made a difference on the punt? I’m not so sure.

[Buffalo03]

42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yes. But do you really look at this roster and think that is where they should be? If they'd won every game they'd be overachieving. If they end up 10-7 they will have underachieved. Vegas had the over/under at 10.5 and the formula Pro Football Reference uses had us at 11.3 wins. 

I think you're underestimating the roster. I think we are talented enough to win 13 or 14 games but haven't because of stupid decisions made. Not because of talent

[PBF81]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No I answered your question. Very directly. When someone gives an answer you don't like you accuse them of not answering.

 

Right, just like you gave me all of those games and plays where Gilliam was instrumental on big plays last season.  

 

... which I'm still waiting on BTW.  Just like that.  Yeah, I get it.   

 

At least we should be able to agree that Gilliam's been just a JAG this season.  A $2M+ JAG.  

 

 

[pennstate10]

This thread amazes me. 
 

You guy would rather have Hank Bullough?

Or Jim Ringo?

Or Kay Stephenson?

 

4 out of every 5 Bills coaches have been losers. Chumps. Under .500. 
 

Yet you want to take one of most winning Bills ever and toss him aside after a winning season?

 

SM H

[GunnerBill]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

Right, just like you gave me all of those games and plays where Gilliam was instrumental on big plays last season.  

 

... which I'm still waiting on BTW.  Just like that.  Yeah, I get it.   

 

At least we should be able to agree that Gilliam's been just a JAG this season.  A $2M+ JAG.  

 

 

 

I gave you examples there too. You didn't like them.

 

You only consider someone has answered the question if you agree with their response. 

 

You are incapable of meaningful discussion.

7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I think you're underestimating the roster. I think we are talented enough to win 13 or 14 games but haven't because of stupid decisions made. Not because of talent

 

And I think you are overestimating it.

[FilthyBeast]

I'm sure all of this has probably been covered ad nauseam, but I'm also back to square one with 'McDummy' after these last few weeks.

 

It just seems like every time they play one of these 'regular season superbowl' games they simply can't sustain that level of play on a weekly basis like a true elite contender does (see Baltimore Ravens) and if that's not a direct reflection of coaching not sure what is. You simply can't crush a team like Dallas then proceed to play back to back clunkers that go down to the wire against backup QB's and teams jockeying for top 5 draft picks.

 

And while many optimists will say things like 'This team has won 4 straight', 'not every game is going to be a blowout', etc. etc....I just can't feel confident in a team that barely beat the likes of the Chargers and Patriots, especially the latter considering it was a home game and the defense managed 4 turnovers...yet the game still essentially came down to the final drive and final minutes of the game.

 

Right now I'm 50/50 on whether or not they even beat the Dolphins/make playoffs, but even if they do it's going to be another quick exit with this coach especially with Josh Allen continuing to be a headcase and not play up to the standards of even an average NFL starting QB for the most part.

 

At the end of the day this team just thinks they ' just need to show up' most weeks and that's because of the locker room and culture that McDummy has created.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

You feel the 5 yards would have made a difference on the punt? I’m not so sure.

 

Maybe it would. Maybe it wouldn't. But when it executed like it did I think the result absolutely justified the call. The 5 yards in that scenario (very unlikely to get the ball back) mattered more than the timeout.

[PBF81]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I gave you examples there too. You didn't like them.

 

You only consider someone has answered the question if you agree with their response. 

 

You are incapable of meaningful discussion.

 

No you didn't, and you cannot find the post where you did.  You gave me like two from two games but claimed that he did it all season.  When I pressed you, you said that. you were at some pub and then wasn't the time.  

 

Haven't heard a peep since.  

 

Feel free to find the posts if you think you did.  Or better yet, produce all those "impact plays" at you called them I believe.  And are you now claiming that he's made impact plays for the offense this season too now?  

 

Either way, who cares.  But you do seem to be the only one that doesn't think we should have won the first games with the Jets and Pats, Denver, and Jags, or at least two or three of them.  

 

 

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

I'm sure all of this has probably been covered ad nauseam, but I'm also back to square one with 'McDummy' after these last few weeks.

 

It just seems like every time they play one of these 'regular season superbowl' games they simply can't sustain that level of play on a weekly basis like a true elite contender does (see Baltimore Ravens) and if that's not a direct reflection of coaching not sure what is. You simply can't crush a team like Dallas then proceed to play back to back clunkers that go down to the wire against backup QB's and teams jockeying for top 5 draft picks.

 

And while many optimists will say things like 'This team has won 4 straight', 'not every game is going to be a blowout', etc. etc....I just can't feel confident in a team that barely beat the likes of the Chargers and Patriots, especially the latter considering it was a home game and the defense managed 4 turnovers...yet the game still essentially came down to the final drive and final minutes of the game.

 

Right now I'm 50/50 on whether or not they even beat the Dolphins/make playoffs, but even if they do it's going to be another quick exit with this coach especially with Josh Allen continuing to be a headcase and not play up to the standards of even an average NFL starting QB for the most part.

 

At the end of the day this team just thinks they ' just need to show up' most weeks and that's because of the locker room and culture that McDummy has created.

 

 

 

He'll sink or swim on his own.  

 

It's not like it's coming down to a forum vote as to whether or not he stays.  LOL 

 

 

Edited January 2 by PBF81

[Niagara Dude]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Has anyone changed their opinion of him over the last month?

 

This will be an emotional weekend. I’m prepared for a lot of McDermott threads Sunday night if things go poorly. I want to see how we’re feeling entering the biggest regular season game of his head coaching career.

No because the team has nor been ready to play the past two games and both against garbage teams. If they come out conversation against the Dolphins they will lose

[Buffalo03]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I gave you examples there too. You didn't like them.

 

You only consider someone has answered the question if you agree with their response. 

 

You are incapable of meaningful discussion.

 

And I think you are overestimating it.

In what ways? The guy that originally posted this said that 13 or 14 would be overachieving but that 10 would be under achieving. Are we really gonna argue about a difference of 2 or 3 games? This team can win 11 and it can certainly win 14. It just doesn't because of bad coaching and game management earlier in the season. All 6 losses are by one score and could have gone either way. We have a top 3 QB, a good RB, a good up and coming TE, a solid Oline and pretty much a solid defense with missing core players I may add. Keep that in mind. We are missing Milano and Tre and have still won 10 games. The only thing we really need help at is WR. Tell me how I'm wrong

Edited January 2 by Buffalo03

[VaMilBill]

3 hours ago, Malazan said:

Short of a Superbowl, I think they need a change. There's something wrong with the way this team conducts itself. They are flat and unprepared and seem to have volatile emotional swings throughout the season and within individual games. I mean, that happens, but it's too much. The lack of consistency is their biggest problem.

Well we never got blown out this season which used to be a McD special. So there’s that

[GunnerBill]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

No you didn't, and you cannot find the post where you did.  You gave me like two from two games but claimed that he did it all season.  When I pressed you, you said that. you were at some pub and then wasn't the time.  

 

Haven't heard a peep since.  

 

Feel free to find the posts if you think you did.  Or better yet, produce all those "impact plays" at you called them I believe.  

 

Either way, who cares.  But you do seem to be the only one that doesn't think we should have won the first games with the Jets and Pats, Denver, and Jags, or at least two or three of them.  

 

 

 

Nope. I never said he did it all last season. That is an outright lie which is the other thing you do. 

 

I said he had a specific role on the offense that in certain games they use and has an impact on the defense. I broke down a KC game in great detail gave you the numbers and the succes rates with him on the field bs without him. Explained why that was. 

 

You just didn't like the answer. You don't like answers that unpick the narratives you make up in your head.

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

You are incapable of meaningful discussion.

 

When sufficient info and facts aren't provided to produce a meaningful discussion, I'd place the reason for a lack of one onto the person making claims but not avowing them firmly.  

 

 

[Big Blitz]

23 minutes ago, BritishBill said:

 

I don’t have a strong opinion either way. I’d be interested to know from those who followed the Bills in the superbowls era - was everyone united around Marv Levy or did he come in for criticism for not getting the Bills over the line?

Perhaps back then the fans didn’t have the same voice as they do now with social media and internet forums! 
 

 

 

 

The consensus among fans was that Marv was the right coach for the collection of egos that made up that team.  
 

No one called for his firing after even the 3rd SB loss.  Very faint if any.  I recall there were times more people at times called for Reich to start over Kelly if he had a bad game which of course was ridiculous.  
 

Marv had a great OC in Marchibroda from 1989 to 1992 and that was as elite as the offense would be under Kelly.  Still good after he left but those were the peak seasons.  
 

 

As time passed most will now tell you if the team had a better collection of defensive coaches (or head coach in general) maybe we win one.  
 

I’m of the belief we were out coached badly in SB 25 and the other 3 we faced teams with superior talent that would have required significantly better coaching to win.  
 

Marchibroda was gone by then and the defense was just average despite having the greatest defensive player ever in Bruce.  

 

This has contributed to my attitude toward McD now.  I don’t want to waste Allen and look back saying “man, he really just needed a better OC after Daboll left.”