Freddie's Dead Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Haven't changed since 13 seconds. Fire him. Now, after the season, I don't care. The 4th and puss where he wasted a TO instead of taking the DOG shows that he still hasn't learned the importance of saving time outs. The playoffs are too tight, the teams too good. He makes a mistake like that in the playoffs, the Bills will be eliminated. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 The folks who want McDermott replaced are the same ones who thought the sky was falling when Edmunds left to Chicago. No patience. They are now silent re. Terrell Bernard (or saying “ohhhh, I always thought he was ok”). That’s the problem…we can’t keep track of who said what re. Bernard, McDermott, Allen, Diggs, etc. (unless you have nothing else to do). But when you compare McD to Tomlin, McCarthy, or even Harbaugh, he’s got time. So does Josh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I think the Bills and Eagles are pretty closely matched teams. On the day their talent just made one or two more plays. If we want to really break it down simply.... Tyler Bass missed two FGs from 34 and 48 and their kicker nailed a 59 yarder in a squal. It probably came down to that as much as anything else. OK, so they're not a better team, you're simply saying that they outplayed us then, right? Out of curiosity, of the teams we've played, which do you think are better than we are on paper, this season, all things considered? Jets twice Pats twice Fins twice Chiefs Chargers Broncos Raiders Eagles Cowboys Washington Giants Jags Bengals Tampa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 He still plays not to lose and punts at mid field. If Bills lose again in the playoffs, it is because of him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, PBF81 said: OK, so they're not a better team, you're simply saying that they outplayed us then, right? Out of curiosity, of the teams we've played, which do you think are better than we are on paper, this season, all things considered? Jets twice Pats twice Fins twice Chiefs Chargers Broncos Raiders Eagles Cowboys Washington Giants Jags Bengals Tampa I would give the Eagles the edge on us on paper. Yes. I think they are better on both lines and have better receivers. And on the day their talent made more plays. I think the Cowboys actually player for player have more talent on paper too (the Bills significantly outcoached Dallas fwiw). Then I think Miami, Jacksonville, Kansas City, the Chargers and the Bengals all on paper are very closely matched. So before the season that was 8 games where I'd have said at least that the Bills don't have a significant talent advantage. So my thinking was let's say you split those 8 games 4-4. You will probably lose one you shouldn't somewhere because it is the NFL, the parity is closer than most imagine and it happens most years even to the best teams. That gets you to 5 losses. 12-5. That was basically my basis for where I expected they would be pre-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 6 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: He still plays not to lose and punts at mid field. If Bills lose again in the playoffs, it is because of him. Not because of a missed FG in the first qtr, pass interference in the 2nd qtr leading to TD or a fumble with 2 mins left? There are so many variables it’s impossible to blame on a head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: You didn't disprove it. The numbers proved me right. You just didn't accept it. I did say I'd do the same detail breakdown of the other KC game (I can't recall if I did 2021 or 2022 now) but I didn't ever get around to it. Still. I proved you wrong. As I do time and time again when you try and hammer your false narratives. I reviewed every single play in the KC game and found only one I think it was in which he made an impact. You said that he make a bunch in that game. I'm happy to do it again, it didn't take that long. The entire conversation came up when I cited his lack of stats for a player that was getting $2M+, and that's when you claimed that his contributions didn't show up on the stat sheet. "Key blocks" was among them. Then you cited that game, I went through and viewed every single play he was in, found that he made only one impact as I recall, you can find the posts if you want, and gave you the time-stamp of every play in the video. I cannot disprove something th You then said there were a whole bunch on the season. You never provided any others. Fact. Either way, that past us, do you think that Gilliam's done anything noteworthy to earn his $2M+ this season? I've asked this three times now and have yet to get an answer. It's a simple question. I don't even know why you'd hesitate to say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 10 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Haven't changed since 13 seconds. Fire him. Now, after the season, I don't care. The 4th and puss where he wasted a TO instead of taking the DOG shows that he still hasn't learned the importance of saving time outs. The playoffs are too tight, the teams too good. He makes a mistake like that in the playoffs, the Bills will be eliminated. I was with you with 13 seconds. I’m open to be convinced by this season if Bills beat the Phins. And play strong well game managed football in the playoffs to make a major run. But much like Shanny in SF I need to see it. Otherwise if we see a low energy effort and poor game management I’m up for a change. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 still a guy in the manner of 90’s Dolphins and Rivers Chargers He has JA and we haven’t made a SB and because of him could miss the playoffs this year. Can he win a big game in the playoffs…we’ll hopefully see soon!! 18 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: The folks who want McDermott replaced are the same ones who thought the sky was falling when Edmunds left to Chicago. No patience. They are now silent re. Terrell Bernard (or saying “ohhhh, I always thought he was ok”). That’s the problem…we can’t keep track of who said what re. Bernard, McDermott, Allen, Diggs, etc. (unless you have nothing else to do). But when you compare McD to Tomlin, McCarthy, or even Harbaugh, he’s got time. So does Josh. wrong. The McD fanboys are the same people who thought nothing would get better if Edmunds was gone. Totally living in fear. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Breakout Squad said: Super Bowl or bust? So if we lose in the SB to the 49ers by 1 point you say fire him? He deserves better than that. I did not say Superbowl trophy. If they get to the Superbowl, then they've won 3 playoff games and he ought to be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Just now, PBF81 said: You then said there were a whole bunch on the season. You never provided any others. Fact. Either way, that past us, do you think that Gilliam's done anything noteworthy to earn his $2M+ this season? I've asked this three times now and have yet to get an answer. It's a simple question. I don't even know why you'd hesitate to say no. I never said the bolded. That is a lie. My point was always it is a very specific role. And it is about putting defenses in a bind and forcing them into advantageous positions for the Bills. It was not something they did week to week and I never claimed it happened a bunch. They have used Gilliam much less on offense this season. Dallas is the only game where I'd say he had an impact off the top of my head. They did run some conventional 2 back stuff that day. It isn't something they have done much of. Withour checking the numbers I reckon his snap count is way down on offense. That certainly makes it easier to question whether they got the value out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 The issue is the playoffs not the regular season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I would give the Eagles the edge on us on paper. Yes. I think they are better on both lines and have better receivers. And on the day their talent made more plays. I think the Cowboys actually player for player have more talent on paper too (the Bills significantly outcoached Dallas fwiw). Then I think Miami, Jacksonville, Kansas City, the Chargers and the Bengals all on paper are very closely matched. So before the season that was 8 games where I'd have said at least that the Bills don't have a significant talent advantage. So my thinking was let's say you split those 8 games 4-4. You will probably lose one you shouldn't somewhere because it is the NFL, the parity is closer than most imagine and it happens most years even to the best teams. That gets you to 5 losses. 12-5. That was basically my basis for where I expected they would be pre-season. OK, great, but when you said all that it was preseason. Rodgers went out for the Jets. Herbert was out for the Chargers when we played them. So was Allen and Bosa BTW. i.e., I'd take our injuries over theirs. If we had the same luck, Allen, Diggs, and Milano would all be out. KC, as it turns out, has no WRs. Not that this should have been a mystery, nonetheless. That's four games. I also think that you'd get quite a bit of argument here that Jax and the Chargers are closely matched. The Charger D sucks. Jax's offense, inexplicably perhaps, is ranked 13th, their D 15th. Not sure that equates to being closely matched. Nor has Lawrence's play even approached Allen's, Cook's having a better year than Etienne, and the WRs/TEs are arguably comparable. We definitely have a significantly better D however. Thanks!! Either way, 12-4 right now is hardly unreasonable. So getting back to my point, and changing it from 13-3 to 12-4, if we were 12-4 right now we would likely have a legitimate shot at the 1st Seed, if not the #2 Seed and Division wrapped up already. That would have been a whole lot more impressive for McD rather than three losses to teams that by your implication, are not closely matched in terms of talent. Jets, NE, and Denver. Fine, let's say that throwing the ball over 70% of the time against a team whose defensive strength was their pass D wasn't a coaching issue, we still lost games that we shouldn't have to NE and Denver. At the end of the day, McD's disposition has absolutely zero to do with how or what anyone here says or thinks. His disposition will depend upon his own judgement and coaching on remaining gamedays. 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I never said the bolded. That is a lie. My point was always it is a very specific role. And it is about putting defenses in a bind and forcing them into advantageous positions for the Bills. It was not something they did week to week and I never claimed it happened a bunch. They have used Gilliam much less on offense this season. Dallas is the only game where I'd say he had an impact off the top of my head. They did run some conventional 2 back stuff that day. It isn't something they have done much of. Withour checking the numbers I reckon his snap count is way down on offense. That certainly makes it easier to question whether they got the value out of him. You did say that, otherwise we never would have been in disagreement. I do not disagree with the adjusted take that you now seem to have on Gilliam. My take was that he was never worth the $2M+ that his contract was for. It certainly hasn't been this season. Anyway, who cares. Let's call it. The thread search doesn't go back that far. It's not that important. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I always felt that thinking is very flawed. I like pairing a franchise QB with a defensive head coach. The key factor in both cases is the coach must be good at his job. We have a top 10 offense and defense every single season. Bring in a good DC and get out of his way. I want my HC, OC and QB all on the same page. I just don't think Allen likes playing McDermott's slowball 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 minute ago, PBF81 said: OK, great, but when you said all that it was preseason. Rodgers went out for the Jets. Herbert was out for the Chargers when we played them. So was Allen and Bosa BTW. i.e., I'd take our injuries over theirs. If we had the same luck, Allen, Diggs, and Milano would all be out. KC, as it turns out, has no WRs. Not that this should have been a mystery, nonetheless. That's four games. I also think that you'd get quite a bit of argument here that Jax and the Chargers are closely matched. The Charger D sucks. Jax's offense, inexplicably perhaps, is ranked 13th, their D 15th. Not sure that equates to being closely matched. Nor has Lawrence's play even approached Allen's, Cook's having a better year than Etienne, and the WRs/TEs are arguably comparable. We definitely have a significantly better D however. Thanks!! Either way, 12-4 right now is hardly unreasonable. So getting back to my point, and changing it from 13-3 to 12-4, if we were 12-4 right now we would likely have a legitimate shot at the 1st Seed, if not the #2 Seed and Division wrapped up already. That would have been a whole lot more impressive for McD rather than three losses to teams that by your implication, are not closely matched in terms of talent. Jets, NE, and Denver. Fine, let's say that throwing the ball over 70% of the time against a team whose defensive strength was their pass D wasn't a coaching issue, we still lost games that we shouldn't have to NE and Denver. At the end of the day, McD's disposition has absolutely zero to do with how or what anyone here says or thinks. His disposition will depend upon his own judgement and coaching on remaining gamedays. I haven't sought to argue that McDermott has been perfect this year. In fact I have criticised him plenty and particularly for those two losses to New England and Denver. I don't think it has been his best year as HC and while there have been signs post bye that maybe he has smoothed some of it out I think he struggled earlier in the year marrying his two jobs together. I just don't think this team was a slam dunk should be winning 13 games type team against this schedule. That would have been nice. And it wasn't impossible. But I always thought it was probably at the optimistic end. You are right that what people here say or think will have zero impact. Barring a 13 second style meltdown (which I do think could prompt a re-think if it is on that level of egrigous) McDermott is absolutely safe, playoff or no playoff. The Joe B piece in the Athletic was pretty clear. Within the organisation he is safe as houses. The Pegulas have no desire to make a change. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I haven't sought to argue that McDermott has been perfect this year. In fact I have criticised him plenty and particularly for those two losses to New England and Denver. I don't think it has been his best year as HC and while there have been signs post bye that maybe he has smoothed some of it out I think he struggled earlier in the year marrying his two jobs together. I just don't think this team was a slam dunk should be winning 13 games type team against this schedule. That would have been nice. And it wasn't impossible. But I always thought it was probably at the optimistic end. You are right that what people here say or think will have zero impact. Barring a 13 second style meltdown (which I do think could prompt a re-think if it is on that level of egrigous) McDermott is absolutely safe, playoff or no playoff. The Joe B piece in the Athletic was pretty clear. Within the organisation he is safe as houses. The Pegulas have no desire to make a change. Here's where I would push back on that. We've had the easiest schedule we've had in 15 seasons. The AFC is the weakest it's been since McD arrived. IMO 13-4 given the level of talent that we have on O, and now in hindsight particularly that we've had the least injured OL in the league, with each OL-man posting over a 96.5% snap count, and with Torrence at 100%, the addition of Kincaid, the emergence of Cook as one of the best, possibly second only to McCaffrey, 13 wins should have easily been expected. As it is, our scoring, now with Allen in his fourth emergent season, will be less than it was over the past three seasons, which is inexcusable given the above. JMO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Just now, PBF81 said: Here's where I would push back on that. We've had the easiest schedule we've had in 15 seasons. The AFC is the weakest it's been since McD arrived. IMO 13-4 given the level of talent that we have on O, and now in hindsight particularly that we've had the least injured OL in the league, with each OL-man posting over a 96.5% snap count, and with Torrence at 100%, the addition of Kincaid, the emergence of Cook as one of the best, possibly second only to McCaffrey, 13 wins should have easily been expected. As it is, our scoring, now with Allen in his fourth emergent season, will be less than it was over the past three seasons, which is inexcusable given the above. JMO I think we have had the toughest schedule of the McDermott era. It was ranked I think 2nd toughest before the season began based on last year's win totals. Haven't seen how it eventually ranks but again, likely 6 games against double digit win teams. Not sure how many other teams will have had that? The easiest schedule was 2019. Not saying making the playoffs was a mirage that year or anything but the Bills had a schedule that set up perfectly for them. I take the point on relative health on offense. I think the wide receiver group has struggled. There has been some coaching issues on that side, witness the change in OC, but also Josh Allen just hasn't been consistent enough and he leads the league in interceptions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I haven't sought to argue that McDermott has been perfect this year. In fact I have criticised him plenty and particularly for those two losses to New England and Denver. I don't think it has been his best year as HC and while there have been signs post bye that maybe he has smoothed some of it out I think he struggled earlier in the year marrying his two jobs together. I just don't think this team was a slam dunk should be winning 13 games type team against this schedule. That would have been nice. And it wasn't impossible. But I always thought it was probably at the optimistic end. You are right that what people here say or think will have zero impact. Barring a 13 second style meltdown (which I do think could prompt a re-think if it is on that level of egrigous) McDermott is absolutely safe, playoff or no playoff. The Joe B piece in the Athletic was pretty clear. Within the organisation he is safe as houses. The Pegulas have no desire to make a change. BTW, here's another perspective. After 16 games we're 10-6. That's only a game better than Malarkey's 2004 team and Marrone's 2014 team, both of which had much more difficult schedules, Marrone's the second toughest schedule over that same 15-years. It's also only a game better than McD's inaugural season with Taylor at QB. 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think we have had the toughest schedule of the McDermott era. It was ranked I think 2nd toughest before the season began based on last year's win totals. Haven't seen how it eventually ranks but again, likely 6 games against double digit win teams. Not sure how many other teams will have had that? The easiest schedule was 2019. Not saying making the playoffs was a mirage that year or anything but the Bills had a schedule that set up perfectly for them. I take the point on relative health on offense. I think the wide receiver group has struggled. There has been some coaching issues on that side, witness the change in OC, but also Josh Allen just hasn't been consistent enough and he leads the league in interceptions. I'm going by the strength of schedule metrics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PBF81 said: I'm going by the strength of schedule metrics. It is by that metric we had the 7th hardest schedule in the NFL pre-season. EDIT: sorry 7th. Edited January 2 by GunnerBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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