PBF81 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 37 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I'm just saying the things any GM says in a Presser is...well edited for the masses. Beane's usually a pretty straight forward guy, but I doubt he'd add anything of substance on the subject. Well, of course, and without beating this into the ground, that's what I was referring to, having him get questioned enough to press him for his thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, muppy said: well this is news to me Beck. If a person is arrested it seems logical to me that they would need be "charged" with a crime. All the rest of what you posted was also informative. thanks. PS: what's love got to do with it LOL just kidding 🙂 .but.a sweet old fashioned notion. 🎶🎵 But seriously - to paraphrase something a friend used to say about federal regulations….”These are Laws and Legal Proceedings. You‘re expecting logic and common sense to be involved here. That’s your mistake. That’s where you’re going wrong.” Edited December 4, 2023 by Beck Water 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Mango said: This kind of idea is a totally revisionist. Von has always been pushed as one of the stand up, nice guys in the league. Before this he wouldn’t have made the top 100 individuals across the NFL, and after this he likely still doesn’t make the top 10. Based on all that, saying any team would make Von Miller the first ever player to have a voidable contract based on off field behavior is a total pipe dream that only happens here and on Twitter. The only way out of the Von contract is to get some help from the league or for Miller to work on a retirement/injury settlement. That’s it. Deshaun Watson’s guaranteed contract is voidable if he’s suspended 2 games per BR and PFT. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090661-pft-deshaun-watsons-browns-contract-guarantees-can-be-voided-if-suspended-2-games Edited December 4, 2023 by Charles Romes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Fire Beane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 36 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Deshaun Watson’s guaranteed contract is voidable if he’s suspended 2 games per BR and PFT. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090661-pft-deshaun-watsons-browns-contract-guarantees-can-be-voided-if-suspended-2-games I think teams/GMs have finally got smart and put it in contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 On 12/3/2023 at 8:39 AM, NoName said: One of the Bills worst free agent acquisitions in the history of the organization. What does the numbers look like if he’s cut after 2024 season? That was the original out - they added a restructure this year for cap space so its worse than originally. If cut after 2024 its 15.4M dead in 2025. You can split it into 6.37M in 2025 and 9M in 2026. That provides 17.5M in cap savings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Deshaun Watson’s guaranteed contract is voidable if he’s suspended 2 games per BR and PFT. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090661-pft-deshaun-watsons-browns-contract-guarantees-can-be-voided-if-suspended-2-games Sweet. It took Deshaun Watson exposing himself to dozens and dozens and dozens of women and the first ever full guaranteed contract to have that clause. If Cleveland pulls the trigger and ever has the ability to void his deal it will be the first time it has ever happened across the league. For the 1000000th time. The league has viewed Miller as one of the good guys until last week. He has been pushed on fans everywhere as a stand up guy. While I think the guy sucks as a human, his dropped DV charge and positive steroid test is basically the cost of admission to even play in the NFL. No team would ever put that in their contract for a guy like Von, and Von would never sign it. The situation Watson was in at the time of signing is night and day to Von when he signed in Buffalo. Any voidable language due to off field behavior is exceedingly rare, and to your point, only present in the leagues most rare cases. Until the other day Von Miller was a choir boy by NFL standards. The only cap relief we will get will be from league intervention or Von Miller renegotiating some sort of retirement or injury buy out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Steptide said: Beane is able to re work his contract correct? I mean assuming he sucks the rest of the season, that is an option no? Um, no? I don't think any NFL GM has the option to rework a player's contract for "underperforming". Contracts get renegotiated (as far as I know) three ways: 1) the player's salary is converted to signing bonus and amortized over the length of the contract or even beyond. This is called "kicking the can down the road" and the Bills did it with Tre White, Von Miller, etc. 2) The player is owed a substantial salary, none of which is guaranteed, and the "dead money" the team will accrue is minimal if he's cut. (Mitch Morse a few years back). So the player accepts a salary cut in exchange for guaranteeing most or all of the lower salary. 3) A player who retires while he's under contract, in principle, can be asked to repay the unamortized portion of his signing bonus. In practice, players file grievances over this and it's disliked as a practice, so teams seldom seem to request this In 2024, the Bills owe Von $32M in dead money if he's cut, $23M if we keep him. The only relief we're likely to get on that is $1.3M/game if he's suspended, so $7.84M if he's suspended the "minimum" 6 games for DV after the league completes its investigation. 4 minutes ago, Mango said: The situation Watson was in at the time of signing is night and day to Von when he signed in Buffalo. Any voidable language due to off field behavior is exceedingly rare, and to your point, only present in the leagues most rare cases. Until the other day Von Miller was a choir boy by NFL standards. The only cap relief we will get will be from league intervention or Von Miller renegotiating some sort of retirement or injury buy out. Agreed. And don't "bet the rent" on that retirement re-negotiation favorable to the team occurring. It didn't with Eric Wood. It didn't with Andrew Luck. I can't think of a case where a retiring vested veteran did this, actually - I believe there was a LB with SFO who retired before he'd played a down in the league who repaid his signing bonus, but that's about all. Edited December 4, 2023 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 this contract came totally out of the blue if I remember correctly... The story was the Bills are strapped with the cap and won't be able to do much that offseason... Then out of literally nowhere they signed Miller to a bazillion dollar contract for 20 years or whatever. My point? The cap isn't real. Just move some money around and keep it rolling until this contract can come off the books without killing the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Without being suspended, they can’t stop Non from practicing, but this clown should be inactive the rest of the season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Without being suspended, they can’t stop Non from practicing, but this clown should be inactive the rest of the season. I love that people have adopted the name. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 18 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: He is 100% ineffective on the field, and evidence points to he did this charges or not. Von, tre, and both poyer and Hyde need to go this offseason. I said before,the Saints have been 100 mill over the cap and pulled it off. Just take the hit and move on. why all the hate for Tre this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said: why all the hate for Tre this year? it's not hate. It's just realizing he's donezo. Two serious leg injuries in three years. Even if he does come back, he's not going to have the speed necessary to start. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I love that people have adopted the name. Thank you for expressing exactly how I feel about this team right now... I'm more angry than sad right now. This was our best shot and McD #@!#ed it UP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 30 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I love that people have adopted the name. I think Non and McDoormat should be officially added to the TBD lexicon. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 37 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Without being suspended, they can’t stop Non from practicing, but this clown should be inactive the rest of the season. VERY impressive! How did you learn to be able to read the future? Were you born with this gift or did it just develop over time? I’m disappointed to learn this, unfortunately. I was hoping he would get his legs, confidence and conditioning back and be able to be a factor later in the season, but I guess you’ve ruled that out so we’ll just have to believe you because you……well……..you say so. 4 minutes ago, yall said: I think Non and McDoormat should be officially added to the TBD lexicon. I think all the childish name calling should be sent back to elementary school. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 30 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: it's not hate. It's just realizing he's donezo. Two serious leg injuries in three years. Even if he does come back, he's not going to have the speed necessary to start. Aaron Rodgers mentioned on McAfee's show that Tre is at the Achilles Factory with him and Dobbins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Headline at The Athletic this morning said Von Miller released. Misleading though. I think they meant released from polic custody. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, Augie said: VERY impressive! How did you learn to be able to read the future? Were you born with this gift or did it just develop over time? I’m disappointed to learn this, unfortunately. I was hoping he would get his legs, confidence and conditioning back and be able to be a factor later in the season, but I guess you’ve ruled that out so we’ll just have to believe you because you……well……..you say so. I think all the childish name calling should be sent back to elementary school. It’s called an opinion, like 99% of the posts here, but feel free to carry on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Headline at The Athletic this morning said Von Miller released. Misleading though. I think they meant released from polic custody. He won’t be released until the NFL decides if they are going to suspend him. All reports they are dragging their feet on the Von situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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