Orlovsky: Buffalo never once forced Hurts to make the harder throw

[BillMafia716ix]

17 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

It's basically the same thing we had going on before McDermott took over. The defense is great spread out over the average. The problem is when you need a great defense to make a stand you don't have it. Part of that is we don't have a Bruce Smith, we no longer have a healthy Von Miller. The other part of that is the coaching philosophy that falls apart when you need it the most.

Games like this is why we signed a guy like Von Miller. So unfortunate because he was so good for us before he got hurt! Now he’s just damaged goods w/a insanely high contract 

[Dr.Sack]

51 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Games like this is why we signed a guy like Von Miller. So unfortunate because he was so good for us before he got hurt! Now he’s just damaged goods w/a insanely high contract 

Put Von on IR bring him back in 4 weeks. 

[BBFL]

Dan O highlighted it best about that last drive for the game tying FG… they gave Philly everything a team wants to do on a quick drive; quick boundary plays from the placed hash mark. The only time they make a play on those throws was to stop the clock on an incompletion, which you don’t want on 3rd down in possible FG territory when the team has no TO’s left. 
 

Unlucky for that final pass. Bleeding ugly with the rest. 

[Aimee75]

4 hours ago, Johnnieo64 said:

Totally agree. He is spot on. And by the way. What the hell is Marcus spears saying about Josh?😡 Did he not watch the game? Idiot. Orlovsky had just said how great Josh played, which he did. And then Spears goes off on Josh. WTF??? And did you catch Orlovskys look while spears was talking. Like Really!!!! That’s why I do not watch ESPN anymore except for SVP.

Marcus has been a JA hater this season, and I think he just loves riling up Bills fans. He won't go back on his bad takes on Josh, so he keeps pushing the narrative about his turnovers, mostly due to pride. I was actually kind of irritated with Laura Rutledge here, with her condescending comments toward Dan's breakdown, and then accusing him of going out of his way to imply the defense was at fault instead of Josh.

[PatsFanNH]

6 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Ugh, the defense is giving up less than 20 pts per game, including last night’s game, ranked 6th in the league.  Yardage wise they’re 10th.  In what’s now a passing league, they’re 7th in the NFL, giving up just over 200 yards passing/game.

This just proves stats do not tell the hole story

[Bob Jones]

I virtually never watch ESPN, or for that matter, any pre-game or talking head sports shows, but I did watch a little of this clip and I have a question. Do the female eye candy on these shows all dress like the lady in this clip…all dolled up like a Saturday night hooker, showing lots of upper body skin? 🤔😂

[All_Pro_Bills]

The Monday ESPN shows have been generally critical of Josh Allen.  They've ordained Hurts as the new king of the hill at the QB position.  Granted, Jalen is playing excellent football but the Eagles are a dropped TD pass and a miscommunication on a route between the QB and WR away from losing to both the Chiefs and the Bills.  And in the case of the Bills, Hurts had the benefit of a better supporting cast.  A better HC, a better offensive line, a better defense, arguably a better set of WR's and a better Placekicker that night who made a 100 to 1 shot from 59 yards out given the distance and conditions.  In a head to head all other things equal I'll take Allen every time. 

 

What most of these cookie cutter commentators are they're failing to address is the Bills defense consistent failure to hold leads in the McDermott era.  Something painfully obvious this season and a systemic problem.  For a team with championship aspirations its a fatal defect.  

 

Orlovsky is one of the few commentators to elude to this problem.  Josh Allen and the offense left the field after their final drives in regulation and overtime with the lead and the defense blew the game twice in consistent fashion.  Something that's cost several games this season (and should have cost them the win against the Giants too).  The finger needs to be pointed at the defense and the guy running the show on the side of the ball.  

 

Outside of Dan's breakdown of the defense, when are they talking about that subject on ESPN?  And hold the HC/DC to account?  The biggest and most consistent problem costing the Bills games and hurting the team.

[Bob Jones]

46 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

…..a better Placekicker that night who made a 100 to 1 shot from 59 yards out given the distance and conditions.  In a head to head all other things equal I'll take Allen every

Just as an FYI, NextGenStats had that kick at a 20% success rate, so 1 in 5, NOT 1 in a 100. 😉

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The Monday ESPN shows have been generally critical of Josh Allen.  They've ordained Hurts as the new king of the hill at the QB position.  Granted, Jalen is playing excellent football but the Eagles are a dropped TD pass and a miscommunication on a route between the QB and WR away from losing to both the Chiefs and the Bills.  And in the case of the Bills, Hurts had the benefit of a better supporting cast.  A better HC, a better offensive line, a better defense, arguably a better set of WR's and a better Placekicker that night who made a 100 to 1 shot from 59 yards out given the distance and conditions.  In a head to head all other things equal I'll take Allen every time. 

 

What most of these cookie cutter commentators are they're failing to address is the Bills defense consistent failure to hold leads in the McDermott era.  Something painfully obvious this season and a systemic problem.  For a team with championship aspirations its a fatal defect.  

 

Orlovsky is one of the few commentators to elude to this problem.  Josh Allen and the offense left the field after their final drives in regulation and overtime with the lead and the defense blew the game twice in consistent fashion.  Something that's cost several games this season (and should have cost them the win against the Giants too).  The finger needs to be pointed at the defense and the guy running the show on the side of the ball.  

 

Outside of Dan's breakdown of the defense, when are they talking about that subject on ESPN?  And hold the HC/DC to account?  The biggest and most consistent problem costing the Bills games and hurting the team.

Who cares what ESPN is talking about?

[BBFL]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The Monday ESPN shows have been generally critical of Josh Allen.  They've ordained Hurts as the new king of the hill at the QB position.  Granted, Jalen is playing excellent football but the Eagles are a dropped TD pass and a miscommunication on a route between the QB and WR away from losing to both the Chiefs and the Bills.  And in the case of the Bills, Hurts had the benefit of a better supporting cast.  A better HC, a better offensive line, a better defense, arguably a better set of WR's and a better Placekicker that night who made a 100 to 1 shot from 59 yards out given the distance and conditions.  In a head to head all other things equal I'll take Allen every time. 

 

What most of these cookie cutter commentators are they're failing to address is the Bills defense consistent failure to hold leads in the McDermott era.  Something painfully obvious this season and a systemic problem.  For a team with championship aspirations its a fatal defect.  

 

Orlovsky is one of the few commentators to elude to this problem.  Josh Allen and the offense left the field after their final drives in regulation and overtime with the lead and the defense blew the game twice in consistent fashion.  Something that's cost several games this season (and should have cost them the win against the Giants too).  The finger needs to be pointed at the defense and the guy running the show on the side of the ball.  

 

Outside of Dan's breakdown of the defense, when are they talking about that subject on ESPN?  And hold the HC/DC to account?  The biggest and most consistent problem costing the Bills games and hurting the team.

I don’t think they fail to address that. The narrative is always going to be that your QB or offense wins you the game in todays NFL unless it comes down to a 4th down stop or a created turnover on a game tying/winning drive, the spotlight and flowers won’t go to a defense. 
 

Most of the talking points on several shows is that Josh was the better QB but the Eagles the better team overall… Something every Bills fan knew going into that game. 

Edited November 28, 2023 by BBFL

[MrEpsYtown]

The Vikings did the same thing last night during that God-awful football game. The Vikings were doing a great job being exotic and forcing Fields into bad turnovers. Then up 1 with the game on the line, the Vikes rush three and play a soft shell and let the Bears who had done basically nothing all game march down the field and win the game. It's just so inept and embarrassing and it hurts me as a fan that the Bills are that dumb as well. 

[BeastMaster]

8 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Ugh, the defense is giving up less than 20 pts per game, including last night’s game, ranked 6th in the league.  Yardage wise they’re 10th.  In what’s now a passing league, they’re 7th in the NFL, giving up just over 200 yards passing/game.

Yet when it matters most, every team we've lost to did what they wanted to and moved the ball at will

[Jrb1979]

5 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Put Von on IR bring him back in 4 weeks. 

Why bother. Season will be over by then. 

[zow2]

He’s “McFraud” as a defensive genius and cost us a critical year of our Championship window, which is fading fast.  Thanks Sean.

[VaMilBill]

8 hours ago, 0017 said:

I think he runs a good defensive scheme for most of the game (usually) but at the end of close games he needs to figure something else out, it’s too easy. Make the QB have to throw it over our CBs heads occasionally, it’s a much tougher throw, but whatever McD is the defensive genius 🙄

Yeah. There is a fine line between being too aggressive like he was in the Denver game. But he needs to

play more press in those instances. I’d rather do that and give up an intermediate throw than let them dump off for 10 yards a pop the entire way down the field

[Tjm3]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

I virtually never watch ESPN, or for that matter, any pre-game or talking head sports shows, but I did watch a little of this clip and I have a question. Do the female eye candy on these shows all dress like the lady in this clip…all dolled up like a Saturday night hooker, showing lots of upper body skin? 🤔😂

Are you referring to her arms? 🙄

She is dressed no different than any news anchor.

 

Back on the topic of football, there are literally no defenders in the frame for most of those throws.

[Nuncha]

9 hours ago, Lionel Hutz said:

Orlovsky is the only person on ESPN that ever has anything insightful to say.

And this was Orlovsky's most famous play as a QB:

 

 

 

Gotta love the expression on Jared Allen's face.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Nuncha

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

I virtually never watch ESPN, or for that matter, any pre-game or talking head sports shows, but I did watch a little of this clip and I have a question. Do the female eye candy on these shows all dress like the lady in this clip…all dolled up like a Saturday night hooker, showing lots of upper body skin? 🤔😂

 

The only ones that have been insightful are Joy Taylor, who now has her own show on FS1, and Cynthia Frelund on NFL Network. ESPN has ZERO women who offer insightful commentary, and the men on ESPN aren't much better. To be fair though, Stephen A doesn't let Molly Qerim speak that much, so it's hard to evaluate her and I feel she could offer a lot more.

Edited November 28, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Juice_32]

8 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

Ugh, the defense is giving up less than 20 pts per game, including last night’s game, ranked 6th in the league.  Yardage wise they’re 10th.  In what’s now a passing league, they’re 7th in the NFL, giving up just over 200 yards passing/game.

 

Everything you mention is why the late game choke jobs are so frustrating. The problem is purely late game situational. McD's late game conservative tendencies have been beaten time and time again, it's on tape and it's like taking candy from a baby. He is either unaware or too stubborn to change, either way he has to go.

[mjt328]

6 hours ago, QB Bills said:

Not sure I agree with this. They were covering up the short passes just fine up until late in the game. Orlovsky makes a valid point here.

 

The biggest adjustment Philly made in the second half was getting those stretch runs working. That opened up the deeper shots to Smith.

 

Yes, that does explain why Philly had more success in the second half. 

But I think most of the frustration from Bills fans comes from the trend over the last 4-5 years, where the Bills can NEVER seem to get big stops at the end of games.  Not just failing to stop them, but putting up zero resistance along the way.  It was expected that we couldn't totally shut-down the Eagles offense all game.  But we had the lead twice (under 2 minutes left in regulation and then in OT), only to watch the defense look totally incompetent on the final two drives.

 

I'm not an All-22 expert.  But I have been watching this sport for 30 years and I do know some things.

But from what I can see from my couch, McDermott's coverage schemes get much softer during those key late drives.

He's afraid of getting beat over the top with a big play.  So he's willing to just let teams take the underneath stuff all the way down the field.

 

I believe that's why Brandon Beane has dedicated so many resources towards the D-Line.  He realizes this is what our coach does (and won't change), and figures our only hope in these situations is getting immediate pressure with the Front 4.