Bermuda Triangle Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Safety market was pretty barren this offseason. Besides, McD and co go out and spend a high draft pick or get a big time FA at that position to replace Poyer and we all know what happens next. Jessie Bates? Draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Never seen a QB leave with a lead more than Allen and lose the games. It’s disgusting. Massive chokers on D. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Ok so let’s nitpick the offence when they get 34 points and over 500 yards on the road in bad conditions. (Including 2 missed field goals and horrible officiating) Can never criticize St Mcdemotts defence right, they were clutch again in the 2nd half and couldn’t do much more.. Defense was horrible in the second half lol. Turnovers continue to be the second most important stat in football, whether you call it nitpicking or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 He's done it twice to the Ravens and once to Mahomes. Other than that his defense has essentially rolled the red carpet out when the game is on the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Sean McDermott's defensive system is built to prevent big plays, confuse the QB and force offenses to gradually work the ball down field. - It usually works against young/crappy QBs, because they are easily confused and suck. That's how we build up our stats and high rankings every year. It doesn't work against the top guys in the NFL (especially in the playoffs). - It works really good when we have a big lead, because teams have no choice but try and make plays downfield. That is pretty much the only time we force turnovers, is when we are already piling it on. It doesn't work well when teams are able to be patient and mix in the run game. - It ALWAYS FAILS in big moments...especially in overtime, because the 2-minute drill is purposely constructed to beat this kind of defense. Routes are quick, underneath and to the sideline. Not pushing the ball downfield in big chunks. Over and over, Brandon Beane has poured resource after resource into building a defense that perfectly fits McDermott's desires. Draft picks and cap space. The most expensive D-Line in the entire NFL. And in these situations, we continue to get NOTHING. No pressure. Guys wide open. Over-pursuit and missed tackles. The stat (0-6 in overtime) says it all. To win in OT, you absolutely MUST have a defense that can get a stop. And McDermott's defense CANNOT. We have seen it again and again and again and again. 2 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Jessie Bates? Draft? Yeah, and a big money move on a defensive back was certainly something the fanbase would have been happy about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 McDERMOTT is a clown, he called timeout on the FG and then kneeled on the ball with 20 secs. McDERMOTT IS NOT AN ELITE HC , he makes too many mistakes in close games and we have seen it all season long. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, FireChans said: Defense was horrible in the second half lol. Turnovers continue to be the second most important stat in football, whether you call it nitpicking or not. Ok so what are you trying to say here? You said defence is terrible and collapsed, agreed. So what exactly are you trying to argue here? Nitpick 1 INT by Josh? Hurts had one INT and a snap exchange which resulted in a fumble. so once again, what are you trying to argue here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) Just now, BillsFan130 said: Ok so what are you trying to say here? You said defence is terrible and collapsed, agreed. So what exactly are you trying to argue here? Nitpick 1 INT by Josh? Hurts had one INT and a snap exchange which resulted in a fumble. so once again, what are you trying to argue here? I'm arguing that the turnover was huge and contributed greatly to the loss. And a QB who has a penchant for TO's will have a lot of losses when the rest of the team isn't very good. Edited November 27, 2023 by FireChans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, FireChans said: Yeah, and a big money move on a defensive back was certainly something the fanbase would have been happy about. They actively re-signed Poyer - who cluelessly thought some idiot GM would give him big money. What did they expect to get from Poyer this season? Beane's personnel moves are underwhelming, at best. Deonte Harty says hello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 McDERMOTT cost us the season, his supporters need to stop. Too many examples of late game screwups. Why is calling a timeout on that 4th down and long FG attempt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 Ive gone back and forth on letting McD go, because I really like him as a human being and believe there are no clear and obvious improvements out there, but this game solidified my belief that its time for him to go. He simply got outcoached in the 2nd half. One coaching staff made changes that resulted in 27 points in the second half and our defensive coordinator (head coach) had 0 answers for it. The Eagles scored on 5 of their last 6 possessions. And 4 of those last 6 possessions were touchdowns. It was the Chiefs divisional game all over again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Bermuda Triangle said: They actively re-signed Poyer - who cluelessly thought some idiot GM would give him big money. What did they expect to get from Poyer this season? Beane's personnel moves are underwhelming, at best. Deonte Harty says hello. Both war's Beane signed have been total useless and we saw it today on limited opportunities 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, fridge said: He's done it twice to the Ravens and once to Mahomes. Other than that his defense has essentially rolled the red carpet out when the game is on the line. It's all about the scheme. We always play good against Lamar Jackson, because he's not the kind of QB that can take advantage of the holes in our zone system. It's the same reason we always play terrible against Joe Burrow, because that's his bread and butter. Quick, fast, underneath throws. Patrick Mahomes struggled to play like this until about the mid-point of the season last year. He's gotten a lot better at it since our last game. At this point, it's pretty clear that McDermott doesn't have a curve ball. Our defense is what it is. The only way we beat teams like the Eagles is by Josh Allen playing totally out of his mind. And even then, the defense probably chokes it away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, FireChans said: I'm arguing that the turnover was huge and contributed greatly to the loss. And a QB who has a penchant for TO's will have a lot of losses when the rest of the team isn't very good. Did you literally not watch the 2nd half outside of the turnover? Eagles went 75 yards in 3 minutes twice. It would have made no difference if the eagles started from their own 10, 25 or the bills 30. They literally couldn’t stop them the 2nd half and the stats prove that 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: I'm arguing that the turnover was huge and contributed greatly to the loss. And a QB who has a penchant for TO's will have a lot of losses when the rest of the team isn't very good. For fugs sake. Allen played out of his mind. He was magnificent. The Eagles had 2 turnovers and won. We had 1 turnover and lost. This game is on the defense - Not Allen. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 The defense is garbage and has been for some time The bills having a good defense has been a myth for a long time Not one decent QB is worried about it, in fact many prefer it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: They actively re-signed Poyer - who cluelessly thought some idiot GM would give him big money. What did they expect to get from Poyer this season? Beane's personnel moves are underwhelming, at best. Deonte Harty says hello. Poyer came crawling back because he had no market, was relatively cheap, was a locker room leader, knew the system etc. I thought we could do worse than bring him back. Like playing Hamlin, who is actually horrible. But he’s shot. and Harty was a complete whiff. No arguments here. Lots of blame to go around on the personnel side imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Both war's Beane signed have been total useless and we saw it today on limited opportunities The 2 3rd down passes to Sherfield were comical, although the first was pretty blatantly DPI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: For fugs sake. Allen played out of his mind. He was magnificent. The Eagles had 2 turnovers and won. We had 1 turnover and lost. This game is on the defense - Not Allen. He would have won player of the week if MCDs D didn’t choke but buddy wants to talk about one INT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, mjt328 said: It's all about the scheme. We always play good against Lamar Jackson, because he's not the kind of QB that can take advantage of the holes in our zone system. It's the same reason we always play terrible against Joe Burrow, because that's his bread and butter. Quick, fast, underneath throws. Patrick Mahomes struggled to play like this until about the mid-point of the season last year. He's gotten a lot better at it since our last game. At this point, it's pretty clear that McDermott doesn't have a curve ball. Our defense is what it is. The only way we beat teams like the Eagles is by Josh Allen playing totally out of his mind. And even then, the defense probably chokes it away. I agree completely. McDermott's scheme works well against bad QB and dysfunctional offenses, but it's the lack of adjustments that is the real concern. Complain about his scheme all you want, but it did in fact fluster Hurts. The issue is that after listening to his OC scream in his ear for 3 quarters about finding the soft zones, it was clear Hurts figured out the mission. Everyone without McDermott's ego could tell that they had that figured out. Logically you would think we would pivot into either a press man D or shake it up in any way, but we didn't. We sat back again. We left the flat open in OT. We essentially forced Hurts to beat us and he did. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) It’s been the one consistent reoccurring theme under McDermott since the Houston playoff loss. Nice guy but he’s had his time and he continues to squander the opportunities over and over again. I see zero growth and learning from him. It’s time for someone else. Otherwise I fear we’re looking at Marvin Lewis/Marty Schottenheimer led teams. Heck even Philly moved on from Andy Reid when he couldn’t get them over the hump. Edited November 27, 2023 by TFBillsfan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: I'm arguing that the turnover was huge and contributed greatly to the loss. And a QB who has a penchant for TO's will have a lot of losses when the rest of the team isn't very good. Allen was incredible on the road against the 9-1 super bowl favorites under the lights with the rain. Basically no one is playing better than how he played in that situation. Either you're just being difficult, have an axe to grind, or simply are not watching other NFL football. Every team except one or two would kill to have Allen, and the Eagles are possibly one of them. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, fridge said: Allen was incredible on the road against the 9-1 super bowl favorites under the lights with the rain. Basically no one is playing better than how he played in that situation. Either you're just being difficult, have an axe to grind, or simply are not watching other NFL football. Every team except one or two would kill to have Allen, and the Eagles are possibly one of them. He played a great game. The turnovers continue to hurt us. the Chiefs played the Eagles very tough, Mahomes threw a horrific pick in the end zone and they ended up losing. That’s not a coincidence. TO’s are strongly correlated to losses. The difference between Mahomes and Allen is how often they throw those costly INT’s. It’s that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, FireChans said: He played a great game. The turnovers continue to hurt us. the Chiefs played the Eagles very tough, Mahomes threw a horrific pick in the end zone and they ended up losing. That’s not a coincidence. TO’s are strongly correlated to losses. The difference between Mahomes and Allen is how often they throw those costly INT’s. It’s that simple. The irony of you talking about things that are simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: He played a great game. The turnovers continue to hurt us. the Chiefs played the Eagles very tough, Mahomes threw a horrific pick in the end zone and they ended up losing. That’s not a coincidence. TO’s are strongly correlated to losses. The difference between Mahomes and Allen is how often they throw those costly INT’s. It’s that simple. Josh Allen only had 1 INT this game. Stop trying to protect McDermott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, fridge said: The irony of you talking about things that are simple. I want our team to win and I want Allen to be the best QB he can be. Just now, Buffalo Ballin said: Josh Allen only had 1 INT this game. Stop trying to protect McDermott. Yeah and it was a big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: I want our team to win and I want Allen to be the best QB he can be. Yeah and it was a big one. In the same game, opposing QB Jalen Hurts threw 1 INT as well. And they had 1 fumble. Eagles still won. McDermott has no one else to blame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 We have a top 3 QB in the NFL and will likely miss the playoffs with all these crappy QBs getting in. it’s unreal man. Buffalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Let's go through a list! 2020 at Cardinals - Hail Murray 2021 at Titans - Josh slips for loss or kick FG and force OT? 2021 at Tampa, scores 17 in the 4th to force OT and collapsed in OT 2021 divisional vs KC - OT loss (13 seconds) 2022 at Dolphins - ran out of time to kick FG, bad clock management as usual 2022 at Vikings - OT loss - (4th and 18 JJ catch) 2023 at Jets - OT loss to Wilson 2023 Broncos - the 12th man 2023 at Philly - well, we all just saw that 3 of those painstakingly terrible losses (Hail Murray and 4th and 18) were killer. BUT! After those 3 games in the last 3 consecutive seasons, Bills came back and ran the table including after a bye after that cards game. 6-game win streak after Hail Murray 8! 2020 4-game win streak after OT collapse to Brady in 2021 6-game win streak after 4th and 18 in 2022. Will we do the same this season? Does the backs against the wall bring out our best regular season games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Josh Allen has scored a TD to take the lead with two minutes left 3 games this year. The Bills have won zero of them. McDermott needs to go. There is nothing else to be said. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Poyer just stood there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Poyer just stood there Poyer and Hyde are both beyond toast. They are too damn old. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: I want our team to win and I want Allen to be the best QB he can be. Yeah and it was a big one. Allen left the field with a lead after that interception. TWICE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 The game tying drive was pretty hard to watch where they attacked the same part of the field like 6 plays in a row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said: McDERMOTT cost us the season, his supporters need to stop. Too many examples of late game screwups. Why is calling a timeout on that 4th down and long FG attempt. He has tons of qualities and coached a great game for 3 quartes but then the Eagles adjusted.. .and he didn't have a response of his own, Just went soft coverage, with the occasional blitz. The worst to me was giving a huge cushion on 3rd & 4 in OT. It was so obvious I'm sure tons of people saw it, and Hurst certainly did. Poyer and Hyde have gone from awesome to good. There' not that bad at all, but far off from where they used to be. It sucks for them, sucks for us all. They are much slower but they still communicate well and there are little miscues overall nor big plays by opposing WRs. Their legs just don't follow their knowledge anymore. I don't agree with the "Superbowl window is closing" but that's what happens when you squander opportunities. Players go and some just get hit by Father Time. Edited November 27, 2023 by Jerome007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: He’s a choke artist. Please explain to me the point of having a defensive minded head coach whose defense never shows up against legitimate offenses? Injury narrative played out, we have three starting corners, two starting safeties, and way too much money tied up into a primarily healthy DL… and they give up 37 in the rain. Bye McDermott, give Brady the job. THIS. Yea, we “had” injuries. Beane got McD Rasul Douglas and Linval Joseph mitigate the losses. McDermott is simply a choke artist. He turns into Brandon Staley when we play good teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr.Sack Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Baltimore just brought a huge blitz and yet somehow it went well for them dropping a fat DT into space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 hours ago, FireChans said: TO’s are strongly correlated to losses. The Eagles had more turnovers… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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