Week 7 Bills @ Patriots - on to Foxborough!

[EmotionallyUnstable]

39 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

They been very good against the run period, the secondary been absolutely wrecked with injuries though.

NE currently sits at #15 in rush YPG. However they are #30 in the league for opponent rush attempts. They do have the 3rd best yards per rush allowed, but my question is: 

 

If they’re so stout against the run, and so easily beaten by the pass, why are teams running on them at such a high rate? 
 

Is it game scenario specific? 
 

Curious why that would be?

[Chaos]

8 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

NE currently sits at #15 in rush YPG. However they are #30 in the league for opponent rush attempts. They do have the 3rd best yards per rush allowed, but my question is: 

 

If they’re so stout against the run, and so easily beaten by the pass, why are teams running on them at such a high rate? 
 

Is it game scenario specific? 
 

Curious why that would be?

If you are winning by 20+ points, most teams increase the amount of rushes.  Patriots have been spanked in several games.

[PatsFanNH]

18 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

NE currently sits at #15 in rush YPG. However they are #30 in the league for opponent rush attempts. They do have the 3rd best yards per rush allowed, but my question is: 

 

If they’re so stout against the run, and so easily beaten by the pass, why are teams running on them at such a high rate? 
 

Is it game scenario specific? 
 

Curious why that would be?

Teams have the lead going into the 4th quarter so running the ball to kill the clock. I mean 2of the last 3 games been a joke they were so lopsided. 
 

The wheels fell off for the D as far as passing goes after the Jets game. That game we lost both Gonzalez and Judon. Our best pass rusher and best corner.  As I mentioned before Gonzalez was the straw broke the secondaries back. He was the 4th to go down..  Jonathan Jones is playing again now (#2 or 3 corner) but it’s obvious he is playing threw an injury and Jack Jones just started practicing this week.  So  the last 3 weeks teams have been throwing more at the beginning of the game.

 

 

 

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Normally I'd agree, but considering it's against Pats and with Jones and that offense has shown it may not be as serious as you think. If Bills end up having to use extras up to defend the run, I don't see anything much that Pats/Jones have been showing that warrants very much concern they can take advantage...

 

 

That's just me though....

Oliver being out would be huge. The other DTs on the roster are poor. Daquon and Ed are well above average; everyone else sucks and teams can exploit them.

7 hours ago, Mango said:

 

Would not be shocked if the Bills taped some guys up to ensure a conference/divisional win for any seeding/tie breaker advantages. But then sat those guys against TB. 

 

 

None of these games don’t matter. They all do. Losing to TB would be very bad considering that the next couple of opponents are Cincy and KC on the road.

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

Bud light has always been an official sponsor of the NFL. But Labatt has been a Bills sponsor for a while and they haven’t done any of these in some time.

 

I think Labatt USA is in big trouble. 
 

They recently laid of 70+ people. And I know for a fact they lost Josh Allen because they literally no called no showed to the meeting they scheduled with him. He didn’t choose Corona over Labatt. Labatt literally ghosted him.

 

It’s crazy that that brand went from winning F1 Championships and fell to all the way to standing up NFL super stars. 

[FLFan]

6 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

If Big Ed is out we are in serious trouble.

Really?  In what way are the Patriots capable of exploiting the Bills defense if Oliver does not play? Sorry, but I don’t see it.  

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Really?  In what way are the Patriots capable of exploiting the Bills defense if Oliver does not play? Sorry, but I don’t see it.  

I would agree, but that Giants game just happened. 

[FLFan]

3 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I would agree, but that Giants game just happened. 

True enough, but the reality is that the Bills second team defense should have no trouble against the Pats starters.  

[Franco_92]

35 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I would agree, but that Giants game just happened. 

The giants scoring 9 points with Oliver in means that the Patriots are dangerous if he's out? Or are the Bills suddenly guaranteed to have a bad offensive outing since they've had a couple of them?

[Richard Noggin]

45 minutes ago, Mango said:

Bud light has always been an official sponsor of the NFL. But Labatt has been a Bills sponsor for a while and they haven’t done any of these in some time.

 

I think Labatt USA is in big trouble. 
 

They recently laid of 70+ people. And I know for a fact they lost Josh Allen because they literally no called no showed to the meeting they scheduled with him. He didn’t choose Corona over Labatt. Labatt literally ghosted him.

 

It’s crazy that that brand went from winning F1 Championships and fell to all the way to standing up NFL super stars. 

 

**Beer break**

 

Drank a lot of Labatt in my WNY teen years, and often associated it with Bills football. I remember Labatt Ice being like effing moonshine in high school. Back when the Canadians were battling to sell the highest ABV beers possible at the time. Molson Ice? XXX?

 

But I left the region after high school, and didn't move back until I was into my 30s (visited a bunch, of course). When I returned, I started to realize that Labatt beer is kinda shite. Blue Light, especially. Full flavor Labatt is OKAY in a pinch.

 

Maybe it's just that light beer, and mass-produced North American lagers in general, are dreadful unless one intends to drink for many hours at a time. 

 

If I'm looking for a "sessionable" cookout/campfire/gameday beer, I'd rather Busch Light tbh. Or the High Life. Or [insert myriad better beers than Labatt].

 

Many of the best U.S. beers now are coming from Brooklyn, of all places.

 

(Nostalgic sidebar: In college, a 12-pack of Milwaukee's Best Ice cans, The Beast (Ice), cost $3.99. Like 6% ABV. That's 18 "normal" beers. **taps temple smugly**...and worth noting i don't even drink beer these days unless I'm watching sports or watching a fire.) 

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I think Greg Cosell stated the Bills offense is based on execution. I happen to agree with him. Of course, that could be said of every offense to an extent. 

 

With that said, this offense is very good but somewhat different. I'm not used to 15 play 10 minute drives. Seems like that's difficult to maintain and not a lot of error for mistakes. 

 

This offense needs to improve despite the good statistics. The run game and play calling has to improve. I'm not sure how good the oline is after the last two poor performances. Allen's legs have to become a weapon again. Kincaid has to be utilized in deeper seam routes. The Bills should incorporate the screen game. The Bills have to be less predictable and less reliant on Diggs. More motion more misdirection plays. Etc...

 

This offense is plenty good to beat inferior teams in the regular season. Will it be good enough come playoff time? I'm afraid it's current state is not. Plenty of time to get it right. Do we think Dorsey and McD will get it right? 

 

I've been saying that all season.  People that want this dink and dunk/take what the defense gives you for 2 yards and 15 play drives are literally asking for this offense to play perfect ball.  There is no room for error on these type of drives. It's basically just playing a field position game because there is no way any offense is going to consistently march the field on those type of drives.

3 hours ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

Was Brady still on there?

3 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

They been very good against the run period, the secondary been absolutely wrecked with injuries though.

 

Sounds like a game Dorsey will go run heavy game plan then.

[Beck Water]

Disguised Coverage with a Pats guest talking Week 7

 

 

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

 

Hmmm...

 

Didn't you post this as a good thing after the Jets game?

 

 

That thread is from May

[WideNine]

41 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

That thread is from May

 

You are not wrong took that post down.

 

So many folks were on board with Allen playing smarter and taking what the defense was giving after that game.

 

He has actually stuck to his mantra of run Josh run, let Allen be Allen.

 

...and I am sticking to mine that Allen has to adapt his game or it will go the way of other big armed running QBs...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by WideNine

[RunTheBall]

I expected Dorsey/Josh to dink and dunk more and run better just as an expansion of our offense and to get teams out of that 2 high shell which limits deep/intermediate passing. 

 

I figured when teams did that, we'd go back to our bread and butter with the deep crosses and overs plus seam shots to Kincaid 

 

Boy was I wrong. We don't have the consistent playmakers for a precision offense to be successful for 60 minutes. 

 

My solution:

Easy throws to several players early to get everyone in the game 

Test out run game under center early 

More pre snap motion 

A commitment to play action 

More Josh runs or the green light to scramble when it's there 

 

Force teams out of that 2 high then hit them intermediate/deep as soon as they do. Get the big plays back in this offense. 

 

Starts with letting Josh run more (not get hit more). It can done Mahomes does it to near perfection. Uses his legs when he needs to and at key moments. 

 

Edited October 19, 2023 by RunTheBall

[Scott7975]

I seen this on twitter and had to post it.  It has nothing to do with the Bills but the Pats are in it so I am going to just put it in this thread.  I hate making my own threads. I have never seen this play.  I can't believe I never seen it.  This is hilarious.  The Colts actually thought this would work?

 

 

2 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I expected Dorsey/Josh to dink and dunk more and run better just as an expansion of our offense and to get teams out of that 2 high shell which limits deep/intermediate passing. 

 

I figured when teams did that, we'd go back to our bread and butter with the deep crosses and overs plus seam shots to Kincaid 

 

Boy was I wrong. We don't have the consistent playmakers for a precision offense to be successful for 60 minutes. 

 

My solution:

Easy throws to several players early to get everyone in the game 

Test out run game under center early 

More pre snap motion 

A commitment to play action 

More Josh runs or the green light to scramble when it's there 

 

Force teams out of that 2 high then hit them intermediate/deep as soon as they do. Get the big plays back in this offense. 

 

Starts with letting Josh run more (not get hit more). It can done Mahomes does it to near perfection. Uses his legs when he needs to and at key moments. 

 

 

This is what I thought and still expect too.  Dink and dunk needs to be in the arsenal but it can't be the entire offense for the entire game.  They need to play too perfect for that and that is never going to happen.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Scott7975

[BearNorth]

Weather looking like high 50's, wet field, windy, should we be worried about Josh's shoulder with 10-20 mph winds forecast.  Hopefully Bass will get off the schneid.

[Beast]

19 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

If Big Ed is out we are in serious trouble.

If the Bills are in trouble against the Patriots because Ed Oliver is out we might as well pack it in for the year.

 

However, I just don’t see the Bills being in trouble. Ed Oliver or no Ed Oliver.

[Beck Water]

13 hours ago, Chaos said:

If you are winning by 20+ points, most teams increase the amount of rushes.  Patriots have been spanked in several games.

 

Two.

 

Patriots have been spanked in 2 games - Cowboys and Saints.  And yes, as you might expect, those games featured a lot of rush yards given up.

 

The Patriots other 4 games have been 1 TD games.  They gave up a lot of rush yards to the Dolphins though, as though they were saying "you're not gonna beat us slinging it".

 

4 minutes ago, Beast said:

If the Bills are in trouble against the Patriots because Ed Oliver is out we might as well pack it in for the year.

However, I just don’t see the Bills being in trouble. Ed Oliver or no Ed Oliver.

 

This may not be what you mean, but it sounds as though you're saying the Bills absolutely shouldn't lose to the Pats

 

Again, 3 of the Pats losses have been one-score games, including Miami.

 

The Bills better have a sound DL in the middle, and with Da'Quan Jones out they're already thin.  They coped last week by playing Ed at 1TDT.

[Scott7975]

45 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

Two.

 

Patriots have been spanked in 2 games - Cowboys and Saints.

 

True but that is 1/3 of their games.  I don't expect to destroy the Pats the way we have been playing but we do have a significantly better team.  We should beat them but any given Sunday thing.

 

Found this article in my MSN feed...

 

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The New England Patriots' quarterback play simply hasn't been good enough to make this team competitive more often than not in 2023. Mac Jones' obvious struggles, combined with Bailey Zappe underwhelming when he's been called upon, leaves this 1-5 team searching for an answer at the game's most important position.

While head coach Bill Belichick has remained loyal to Jones as starter, it appears the tides are turning.

On Wednesday, ESPN's Dan Graziano co-wrote an insider column that discussed the Patriots' QB room. According to Graziano, recently promoted practice squad quarterback Malik Cunningham is being prepared for a "somewhat significant" role in the game plan, which could take place as soon as Week 7.

“I am told the coaches are discussing ways to work Cunningham into the game plan in a somewhat significant way, possibly as early as this week against Buffalo."Dan Graziano

While Cunningham is listed as a wide receiver/QB hybrid, it's obvious this potential move is hinting at a shakeup under center. New England's offense has been mostly lifeless under Jones, who's made opponents' jobs even easier through poor decision-making and turnovers.

The Pats have already started to put the wheels in motion for a Cunningham takeover. Not only was he promoted from the practice squad in Week 6, but the team gave him a three-year contract to join the the 53-man roster, which is an aggressive move. Even more, the Louisville product earned the QB2 role against the Las Vegas Raiders while Bailey Zappe was made inactive as the emergency third quarterback.

With his first snaps played in Week 6, too, it's clear the Patriots are interested in getting Cunningham on the field and seeing what happens. It sounds like he could have an even bigger opportunity to beat out Jones for the starting role in the coming days.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/patriots-preparing-shocking-quarterback-move-ahead-of-week-7/ar-AA1irSiC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=910f735ccac947f3854e153d8505d746&ei=7

Edited October 19, 2023 by Scott7975