Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Again, this simply doesn't correspond with reality. If his big plays were "occasional," he wouldn't get so many TDs and his yards per target wouldn't be so high. Dumb also to say he's not a chain mover. Over 70% of his catches were 1st downs. Yes, if you compare him with Diggs, he comes off more poorly. Are you seeing people arguing Davis is better than Diggs? If you are, you'd really have a point here. But nobody makes that argument. Diggs is a clear #1. Compare any #2 in the league with Diggs and they won't measure up. Doesn't mean they aren't solid #2s. The reason #2s are #2s is that they can't do absolutely everything at a high level the way that someone like Diggs can. If they could, they'd be #1s. Gabe is definitely not a #1. He's a #2. Then by all means Bills, go ahead and sign him to a fat second contract, and he can stay our #2 for foreseeable future. I have no interest in that, and am where I was last year, we need a high-traits, first round WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: He would have the same stats as a #3 as a #2. He can still start on the outside and be a #3. We need someone catching more balls than him. He could easily do all this and maybe more as a #3.... it’s not like his targets would go down, hes not a reliable option play to play Totally agree. As much as getting another solid WR would help Allen it would be huge for Gabe in my opinion. He can focus on what he does best with less attention from opposing defences. It’s like some people are more worried about his label as the #2 than what’s best for this O. Sadly it’s been a conversation on this board since November last year. Beane tried but he did what Beane does, look for bargains hoping they will break out on our offense. At this point I’d like to see more Shakir and less Hardy. Shakir just seems to make a solid play almost every time he’s targeted right now. Edited October 16, 2023 by BananaB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: I know, totally. And it's only Gabe facing the lesser coverage players, all the other #2s in the league always face the #1 CB that the other team ... Oh, wait, they actually don't. He runs a lot of routes well, but not all of them, like, you know the other #2s. And yeah, he doesn't face the best CB. Neither do the other #2s most of the time. He runs a post, and a comeback off the post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 hours ago, SCBills said: We've played 6 games. 3 games we're a buzzsaw. 3 games our offense was TERRIBLE. Sure, average it all up and it looks good. Thankfully, unlike you, the Bills themselves know we can't win a Super Bowl like this, and need to get much, much better. One of those games was in London, where Davis caught 6 of 8 targets (including every big pass in the 4thQ on 2 scoring drives) for 100 yards and a TD (2 in a row actually, due to Digg's OPI). Look, you have staked out a position that you can't defend with anything other than "you guys don't know what you are watching-forget stats....let me make some up!". You're off the rails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: 2-3 per game is not enough for a #2. simple i dont understand how anyone could have seen this team, and 2020s team, and not understand why this is killing us there are other guys Josh could be spreading the ball around to...but he's not doing that. It's all Diggs. It that Gabe Davis's fault too? not one target to a RB last night--wtf is that? Gabe Davis going down for that as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 13 hours ago, SCBills said: Davis doesn’t win off the LOS quick enough to be a reliable chain mover. A WR2 needs to have that in their bag. It’s a huge reason our offense is so high variance. 100% , he is the biggest problem on our offence . Last season Allen asked management to bring back street guys Beasely and Brown. Why would he do that? 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: One of those games was in London, where Davis caught 6 of 8 targets (including every big pass in the 4thQ on 2 scoring drives) for 100 yards and a TD (2 in a row actually, due to Digg's OPI). Look, you have staked out a position that you can't defend with anything other than "you guys don't know what you are watching-forget stats....let me make some up!". You're off the rails Also dropped a huge pass in the 3rd quarter that forced the Bills to punt. Some of you Gabe Davis fanboys need to grow up and open your eyes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 12 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: Yes. If you can't do either one, does that make you a decent WR3? Corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: 100% , he is the biggest problem on our offence . Last season Allen asked management to bring back street guys Beasely and Brown. Why would he do that? Also dropped a huge pass in the 3rd quarter that forced the Bills to punt. Some of you Gabe Davis fanboys need to grow up and open your eyes. the drop was a minute into the 2nd half of a 4 point game. open your eyes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Davis is a solid WR but is he more of a WR2 or WR3 is a moot point. The Bills could live with Davis inconsistency if Davis lowered his drop rate a bit and the Bills had a reliable slot WR or TE to take in some over-the-middle completions. The Bills are going to have to hope Kincaid develops into that and maybe they open up Shakir's role more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I like the way this thread is titled... just incase you weren't expecting confrontation, well, you're outa luck smart guy! Now let's see your uninformed smart guy response, you genius! Way to not use your head, you MENSA chapter president! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 12 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: I'd say catch percentage is a pretty good measure of reliability/efficiency, which is pretty damned important for whomever gets the 2nd most targets on a given offense. While Davis has ridiculously high YPC numbers over his career, he also has ridiculously LOW catch% numbers, meaning he's a dangerous deep threat but definitely not a go-to guy. Targeting Davis is nearly a 50/50 proposition, which is unacceptably inefficient. Diggs caught 10 of 16 targets today, for example, which was actually really BAD for him (but still over 60%). He's usually MUCH more efficient. Currently his catch% is 70%, even with 2 drops. He also has an average depth of target of 14.7 which is 11th in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Currently his catch% is 70%, even with 2 drops. He also has an average depth of target of 14.7 which is 11th in the NFL. Now do his career, not just the last 5 games. No surprise we'd see a little jump in his contract year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 @BADOLBILZ I feel like this thread was made for you. 500 words please. And....go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Richard Noggin said: Now do his career, not just the last 5 games. No surprise we'd see a little jump in his contract year. So you want me to do math for you, to prove my point wrong? No. People lay into this guy like he's the anti-christ. Hes 27th in the NFL right now TODAY in receiving yards, while playing on a team with a guy who is 3rd in the NFL in receiving yards. The guy is literally tied for 4th in the NFL in receiving TDs. He can make contested catches, he's good at tracking deep balls, and he has some toe-drag swag. He's also a plus blocker. Those are all traits that teams covet in wide receivers. 14 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: I think more and more a good WR2 is someone who plays from the slot a la St-Brown, or someone who has WR1 talent but plays behind an All-Pro ala Devonta Smith, Jalen Waddle, Tee Higgins pre-Burrow injury. So you just named 3 players who have fewer yards, and more targets than Gabe Davis right now - even with Buffalo's offense not playing particularly well all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: This really isnt complicated. Were not breaking down the nuance of Y-Banana Split 2 Zebra Cake... you need to have 2nd mopst targets, catches, yards and help move the chains. When you can reliably move the chains your offense can stay on the field and start to get in a rhythm. Getting 1st downs is the most basic fundamental goal of an offense. Field position, time of possession, keep the defense fresh, wear their defense out, incorporate more plays/looks which makes defenses have to think more than react.... when you go 3 and out none of that happens. Getting a first down does so much more than just "move 10yards" 16 first downs on 30 targets is actually pretty good. Waddle has 16 on 35. Meyers has 18 on 43. Ridley has 17 on 44 targets. Devonta smith has 11 on 45 targets. The chain mover on a 3rd and 4 isn't gabe davis. Other teams it might be their WR2, but buffalo has Diggs. If you have Kupp, Adams, and Diggs (who are imo the best 3 route runners in the league), that should be who you look at to move the chains. You then have conventional slot options to slip man coverage underneath, and TE's for window throws. We have all of those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: So you want me to do math for you, to prove my point wrong? No. People lay into this guy like he's the anti-christ. Hes 27th in the NFL right now TODAY in receiving yards, while playing on a team with a guy who is 3rd in the NFL in receiving yards. The guy is literally tied for 4th in the NFL in receiving TDs. He can make contested catches, he's good at tracking deep balls, and he has some toe-drag swag. He's also a plus blocker. Those are all traits that teams covet in wide receivers. So you just named 3 players who have fewer yards, and more targets than Gabe Davis right now - even with Buffalo's offense not playing particularly well all season. I think most of us would be fine swapping Davis with any of those players. As they have shown they can be a WR 1. Do you think Gabe could step in if Diggs were to miss a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 A good #2 WR scores TDs in 5 straight games, not 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: I preferred Beane trade Davis now over losing him in the offseason for nothing. No way can he pay this guy who is a terrible route runner, has endless drops and biggest reason why this offence struggles They are trying to win a championship this season… they need more receivers …not less Get a comp pick when he moves on which will probably be more value for him then you would get in a trade now Edited October 16, 2023 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: the drop was a minute into the 2nd half of a 4 point game. open your eyes... It was also a key drive to get the team going into the second half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: It was also a key drive to get the team going into the second half The Q ended with the same score11-7. Then Josh and Davis started hitting in the 4th Q. It the D could have gotten won stop in the last half of the Q, Bills have a comeback win. The real backbreaker was Diggs letting Darius Williams ***** away a Josh Allen passion that he had in both hands deep in the 4th Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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