Dubie54 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 After his 165 yds. on 23 carries against the Titans he now has 445 yds. through 5 games and is averaging 5 yds/carry. On track for a 1,400 yd. season. Interesting that the Titans are no slouch against the run with teams averaging only 94 yds/game. I have to say I'm happy for the kid as it looked like his NFL career wasn't going to match the success he had in Utah. And being a Utah fan I had seen quite a few of his college games and wasn't sure he had the speed for the NFL. He does have a ton of wear on his tires as he set all kinds of HS rushing records in Florida and carried a ton for Utah during his 4 years, so I'm not sure he has that many good years left in the NFL, but we'll have to see how it plays out. We didn't get much for him with Dorsey never figuring out how to use Hines last year and then losing Hines all of this year to the freak accident. We also got the 5th rounder this year which turned into Justin Shorter who's now on IR. The way he has turned his game around, it could have been an interesting tandem with he and Cook this year, especially with our improved O-line. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 His YPC is about the same as it always has been. It's just that the Colts are giving him the ball A LOT. He had 30 carries in a single game in week 3 against Baltimore. He's got 89 carries in 4 games. He is the type of RB that you have to live with the rushes for no gain in order to get production from him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Good. He was misused, underutilized and inexplicably benched during his tenure in Buffalo. The disconnect between Beane and the coaches has been an issue. I hope Moss kicks ass. 5 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiamioh Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Good. He was misused, underutilized and inexplicably benched during his tenure in Buffalo. The disconnect between Beane and the coaches has been an issue. I hope Moss kicks ass. He also sucked 5 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said: He also sucked Sucked based on how many opportunities to actually do something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) Devin Singletary and Zach Moss both always seemed like rhythm/opportunity backs, not timeshare guys. That is, both of them always seemed most effective when they were given a steady dose -- and the lion's share -- of carries. When they could get into rhythm. The more sporadically they touched the ball, the worse they seemed to do. Now obviously in the 2023 NFL, where many teams employ running-back-by-committee, and where pass-first offenses often relegate running backs to single digit carries in a game, this isn't always possible. There are also plenty of running backs for whom this is NOT the case. So...blame whoever you want, but having two guys who do best as bellcows in Moss and Singletary, and then refusing to use EITHER of them as such, seemed to mitigate the effectiveness of both and, thus, to limit the Bills' run game. Happy to see Moss doing well elsewhere, and I hope Motor does, too. Edited October 10, 2023 by Logic 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: Sucked based on how many opportunities to actually do something? Same YPC as here. Singletary + Moss equaled 468 yards and 4 touchdowns in first 5 games in 2021. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 It's not very quiet. Most know about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 It was Dorsey that ran him out of town! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Logic said: Devin Singletary and Zach Moss both always seemed like rhythm/opportunity backs, not timeshare guys. That is, both of them always seemed most effective when they were given a steady dose -- and the lion's share -- of carries. When they could get into rhythm. The more sporadically they touched the ball, the worse they seemed to do. Now obviously in the 2023 NFL, where many teams employ running-back-by-committee, and where pass-first offenses often relegate running backs to single digit carries in a game, this isn't always possible. There are also plenty of running backs for whom this is NOT the case. So...blame whoever you want, but having two guys who do best as bellcows in Moss and Singletary, and then refusing to use EITHER of them as such, seemed to mitigate the effectiveness of both and, thus, to limit the Bills' run game. Happy to see Moss doing well elsewhere, and I hope Motor does, too. We were also judging their play based on our 2022 OL which was one of the worst in the league. I always thought both Singletary and Moss were underrated here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Logic said: Devin Singletary and Zach Moss both always seemed like rhythm/opportunity backs, not timeshare guys. That is, both of them always seemed most effective when they were given a steady dose -- and the lion's share -- of carries. When they could get into rhythm. The more sporadically they touched the ball, the worse they seemed to do. Now obviously in the 2023 NFL, where many teams employ running-back-by-committee, and where pass-first offenses often relegate running backs to single digit carries in a game, this isn't always possible. There are also plenty of running backs for whom this is NOT the case. So...blame whoever you want, but having two guys who do best as bellcows in Moss and Singletary, and then refusing to use EITHER of them as such, seemed to mitigate the effectiveness of both and, thus, to limit the Bills' run game. Happy to see Moss doing well elsewhere, and I hope Motor does, too. Singletary had a successful career here. He proved more valuable than Zack Moss and got the majority of the caries because of it. Good for Moss that he is finding success on another team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: Same YPC as here. Singletary + Moss equaled 468 yards and 4 touchdowns in first 5 games in 2021. Singletary was top 5 in the league for YPC while he was a Bill. Similarly to Moss, they didn’t feed him. His YPC were better than Derrick Henry’s. The brain trust landed on giving him 12 carries/game as the master plan. Again, I say - the disconnect between Beane and the coaches is clear. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 So now we want Moss back? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, MJS said: It's not very quiet. Most know about it. Yeah....there is a 7 plus page thread about it and I'm sure this thread will soon be merged into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) You guys do know Moss is headed back to the bench with Taylor coming back? Edited October 10, 2023 by streetkings01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Haven’t watch him play yet but I bet they are using him much different then Dabol and Dosey used him. Good for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 I almost adopted his dog when he got traded. My body knows his agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 51 minutes ago, billsfanmiamioh said: He also sucked You have 3 disagrees, but it’s true. All the Swifites (people crying over what could have been) also hated him here. His vision was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, MJS said: Singletary had a successful career here. He proved more valuable than Zack Moss and got the majority of the caries because of it. Good for Moss that he is finding success on another team. One day people will get it through their head that the ball in a running back’s hands will almost never be a better play than the ball in Josh’s hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 There is nothing special about Zack Moss. He is an average NFL running back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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