Israel and the Slaughter in Gaza

[Andy1]

5 hours ago, Justice said:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3oe3Ag/
 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3ETcws/
 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3EgsYd/

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPR3Ewkhr/

 

THEY OPENED FIRE ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE YOU IGNORANT *****! 

I wouldn’t be surprised if some Israelis were killed by friendly fire. It was probably a very chaotic situation. It still doesn’t erase the actions of Hamas that day. I appreciate your perspective as I try to better understand this conflict. 

[ComradeKayAdams]

21 hours ago, Justice said:

I’ve made myself clear. The 67 borders are sufficient with no strings attached and no settlements. The extremists will eventually fade away under those conditions. 

 

Hi Justice,

 

Roughly what percentage of Palestinians would you guess feel the same way currently as you do, regarding a two-state solution with the 1967/Green Line borders? Also, what’s the current sentiment for prospects of a one-state solution?

 

From a complete outsider’s perspective, the one-state solution just seems like the more practical one at this point. I’d also be bothered with having Israeli land situated between a non-contiguous Palestinian country of Gaza plus the West Bank (don’t even get me started with Alaska and Canada…ugh…).

 

23 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Kay, I appreciate the fact that your posts are tweet free, reflect original thinking, and use polysyllabic words.

 

This subforum does not. Look forward to being trolled for not fitting into terminally online meme complexes.

 

Do, however, enjoy observing what a successful "fill the space with *****" influence operation looks like. 

 

Thank you for the kind words, Coffeesforclosers!

 

A few thread pages back, I presented a 13-point argument outlining why Israel is guilty of collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. The responses were the usual ad hominems, whataboutisms, and strawmen. Most right-wingers didn’t even bother to respond because they know the argument, 5 full months beyond October 7, is unfortunately unassailable.

 

As for the trolling warnings…believe me, it won’t take much more for this troll-ee to become the troll-er. I’ve been in a foul sports mood all week because I dearly miss Tre White, Poyer, and Morse…and the Sabres are being the Sabres again…(sigh). So the next wrinkly reactionary (wizened Westside, decrepit Doc, tired Tommy Callahan, etc.) to give me a single negative emoticon response is likely in serious trouble. If I may recall a quote from world-renowned Jewish pacifist, Walter Sobchak: “This is what happens when you f*#k a stranger in the a$$.”

 

 

On 3/6/2024 at 9:04 AM, Tiberius said:

Keep rolling Comie Kay! Foreign policy is so tough because the rest of the world doesn't vote in our elections...directly. Hopefully the "City upon a hill" message shins through for a better world

 

Oh you know I will, Tibsy!

 

Kay be ROLLING down this forum with a shotgun.

These right-wing Boomers ain’t seen a white-skinned leftist chica

Since Greg Gutfeld last hosted one.

 

<<< funky Tom Morello guitar sounds >>>

[Justice]

44 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

Hi Justice,

 

Roughly what percentage of Palestinians would you guess feel the same way currently as you do, regarding a two-state solution with the 1967/Green Line borders? Also, what’s the current sentiment for prospects of a one-state solution?

 

From a complete outsider’s perspective, the one-state solution just seems like the more practical one at this point. I’d also be bothered with having Israeli land situated between a non-contiguous Palestinian country of Gaza plus the West Bank (don’t even get me started with Alaska and Canada…ugh…).

 

 

Thank you for the kind words, Coffeesforclosers!

 

A few thread pages back, I presented a 13-point argument outlining why Israel is guilty of collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. The responses were the usual ad hominems, whataboutisms, and strawmen. Most right-wingers didn’t even bother to respond because they know the argument, 5 full months beyond October 7, is unfortunately unassailable.

 

As for the trolling warnings…believe me, it won’t take much more for this troll-ee to become the troll-er. I’ve been in a foul sports mood all week because I dearly miss Tre White, Poyer, and Morse…and the Sabres are being the Sabres again…(sigh). So the next wrinkly reactionary (wizened Westside, decrepit Doc, tired Tommy Callahan, etc.) to give me a single negative emoticon response is likely in serious trouble. If I may recall a quote from world-renowned Jewish pacifist, Walter Sobchak: “This is what happens when you f*#k a stranger in the a$$.”

 

 

 

Oh you know I will, Tibsy!

 

Kay be ROLLING down this forum with a shotgun.

These right-wing Boomers ain’t seen a white-skinned leftist chica

Since Greg Gutfeld last hosted one.

 

<<< funky Tom Morello guitar sounds >>>

I had over 350 people at my wedding. I’ve been to gatherings that had over 1200 people. I have spoken to many of them regarding this issue. The vast majority want a 2 state solution because they realize Israel isn’t going anywhere any time soon. I’d say about 90% of the people I’ve spoken to all agree on that. We all understand a one state solution with equal rights will never happen. Israel can not accept that. As for Gaza that place will not be Palestinian land after this massacre is over so they won’t have to worry about a non-contiguous Palestinian state. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Beyond parody.

 

 

Hamas Leader Says No One Expected Israel's Response to October 7 to Be So Barbaric

 

 

We don't know who the interviewer is, but we thank him profusely for asking the question we've been asking since October 7 … what exactly did Hamas expect afterward? They had a plan to invade Israel, slaughter 1,200 innocent civilians, and take literal babies hostage. What was the next step of the plan? What was on the schedule for October 8?

 

They'd claimed they'd been planning the attack for two years … they must have expected consequences.

 

Senior Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk obviously knew Israel would retaliate, but nobody in the whole world expected them to be so barbaric. The people who cut off heads, burned people alive and raped corpses couldn't imagine the Israelis being so barbaric.

 

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/03/07/hamas-leader-says-no-one-expected-israels-response-to-october-7-to-be-so-barbaric-n2393734

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Of Course.

 

 

 

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Justice said:

 The vast majority want a 2 state solution because they realize Israel isn’t going anywhere any time soon. I’d say about 90% of the people I’ve spoken to all agree on that. We all understand a one state solution with equal rights will never happen. Israel can not accept that. As for Gaza that place will not be Palestinian land after this massacre is over so they won’t have to worry about a non-contiguous Palestinian state. 

 

The "two state solution" begs the question.

Who is going to lead the Palestinian component?

Name some organization that has any critical political mass that doesn't advocate the elimination of Israel.

 

Israel has had two elections in the past decades that the victor's major policy component was a two state solution.

They didn't get anywhere, or at least to the finish line.

One could say that that was becasue of Israel's negotiating intransigence, but my view is because of an absolute void in leadership on the other side.

Major agreements bring on risks, and the other side was simply not willing to do that, or hadn't the strength to.

 

It's similar to what's going on now. Hamas and other groups are telling their minions that elimination of Israel is a real possibility.

It isn't.

I very much favor a two state option, but not one where the other side insists of complete destruction of the state of the other, and the elimination of all its people.

 

Further, if that were to occur, in my speculation, there would be yet another internal Islamic Sunni vs Shiite war.

  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

Of course their first names are unusual.

 

Right ?

 

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[Doc]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Beyond parody.

 

 

Hamas Leader Says No One Expected Israel's Response to October 7 to Be So Barbaric

 

 

We don't know who the interviewer is, but we thank him profusely for asking the question we've been asking since October 7 … what exactly did Hamas expect afterward? They had a plan to invade Israel, slaughter 1,200 innocent civilians, and take literal babies hostage. What was the next step of the plan? What was on the schedule for October 8?

 

They'd claimed they'd been planning the attack for two years … they must have expected consequences.

 

Senior Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk obviously knew Israel would retaliate, but nobody in the whole world expected them to be so barbaric. The people who cut off heads, burned people alive and raped corpses couldn't imagine the Israelis being so barbaric.

 

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/03/07/hamas-leader-says-no-one-expected-israels-response-to-october-7-to-be-so-barbaric-n2393734

 

I guess Israel should just cut off heads, burn people alive and rape their women and that would be fine with them...

 

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

Of Course.

 

 

 

No mention of Hamas not using their people as human shields?  Shocker!

 

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Of course their first names are unusual.

 

Right ?

 

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[Justice]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

 

The "two state solution" begs the question.

Who is going to lead the Palestinian component?

Name some organization that has any critical political mass that doesn't advocate the elimination of Israel.

 

Israel has had two elections in the past decades that the victor's major policy component was a two state solution.

They didn't get anywhere, or at least to the finish line.

One could say that that was becasue of Israel's negotiating intransigence, but my view is because of an absolute void in leadership on the other side.

Major agreements bring on risks, and the other side was simply not willing to do that, or hadn't the strength to.

 

It's similar to what's going on now. Hamas and other groups are telling their minions that elimination of Israel is a real possibility.

It isn't.

I very much favor a two state option, but not one where the other side insists of complete destruction of the state of the other, and the elimination of all its people.

 

Further, if that were to occur, in my speculation, there would be yet another internal Islamic Sunni vs Shiite war.

  

You can say the same thing about this ultra right wing government running Israel today. Why don’t you? What’s stopping you? They recently voted against the creation of a Palestinian state. 
 

As for who will be the one to lead Palestine? I have no clue. I seriously do not know. Now I’m 

not saying nobody is capable. I just don’t know which puppet the west will prefer. 

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Of course their first names are unusual.

 

Right ?

 

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May they all return safely to their families 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

 

Idjits.  

 

 

[sherpa]

23 minutes ago, Justice said:

You can say the same thing about this ultra right wing government running Israel today. Why don’t you? What’s stopping you? They recently voted against the creation of a Palestinian state. 
 

As for who will be the one to lead Palestine? I have no clue. I seriously do not know. 

 

Israel has had two elections that put in place people whose primary platform was the establishment of a separate Palestinian state.

 

Went nowhere because there is no reasonable commitment from the other side.

 

Of course you have no clue about who would reasonably lead them in peaceful coexistence, because there is no one.

How do you advocate for this without any solution?

It's nonsense.

Combine that with the sub-human acts in October and you get what you get.

It is preposterous to demand military perfection in this environment.

 

That is the issue.

There is nobody to negotiate with, and Hamas seeks to eliminate Israel.

[Justice]

15 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Israel has had two elections that put in place people whose primary platform was the establishment of a separate Palestinian state.

 

Went nowhere because there is no reasonable commitment from the other side.

 

Of course you have no clue about who would reasonably lead them in peaceful coexistence, because there is no one.

How do you advocate for this without any solution?

It's nonsense.

Combine that with the sub-human acts in October and you get what you get.

It is preposterous to demand military perfection in this environment.

 

That is the issue.

There is nobody to negotiate with, and Hamas seeks to eliminate Israel.

I don’t know because I really don’t know lol I don’t know what else to tell you. I don’t have any names. I do not know these guys. Period. 

[sherpa]

28 minutes ago, Justice said:

I don’t know because I really don’t know lol I don’t know what else to tell you. I don’t have any names. I do not know these guys. Period. 

 

Thanks for being honest.

 

There is nobody to negotiate a Palestinian State with, becasue there is no such entity that has a name, gravitas, (I hate that phrase),  or basic view that Israel should be allowed to exist.

 

All of the tears from western cultures about this issue fail to acknowledge that reality.

 

I'm just a simple guy who has watched this for decades, but in my simple mind, in order for there to be an agreement between two parties, they have to acknowledge the other's right of existence. That's kind of day one, hour one of an agreement negotiation.

 

 

 

[Justice]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

 

Thanks for being honest.

 

There is nobody to negotiate a Palestinian State with, becasue there is no such entity that has a name, gravitas, (I hate that phrase),  or basic view that Israel should be allowed to exist.

 

All of the tears from western cultures about this issue fail to acknowledge that reality.

 

I'm just a simple guy who has watched this for decades, but in my simple mind, in order for there to be an agreement between two parties, they have to acknowledge the other's right of existence. That's kind of day one, hour one of an agreement negotiation.

 

 

 

Well ***** I can’t even name you someone that can run the US. 330 million people and all we can offer is Biden and Trump? Like WTF! 
 

 

[Andy1]

Justice - Prior to the war, under Hamas rule, was there freedom of speech to allow public discussion of the topic of Israel’s right to exist? This is against Hamas declared policy so that’s why I’m asking. Would there be severe consequences if one advocated for that position? It would seem that this is a necessary first step, before a leader for peace can emerge. 

[Justice]

26 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

Justice - Prior to the war, under Hamas rule, was there freedom of speech to allow public discussion of the topic of Israel’s right to exist? This is against Hamas declared policy so that’s why I’m asking. Would there be severe consequences if one advocated for that position? It would seem that this is a necessary first step, before a leader for peace can emerge. 

I’m not from Gaza. I wouldn’t know of any such rule. As for the West Bank I’ve heard many people acknowledge Israel. I’ve even heard some of them say they’d be ok with a one state solution as long as they get equal rights. Interestingly enough nobody is allowed to speak about Hamas in the WB. 
 

Besides, Hamas’ updated charter doesn’t call for the end of Israel anyways. 

Disgusting. Every accusation is a confession with Zios. 

[Tommy Callahan]

This will definitely help their cause .  Help get people to see the problem. 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[Westside]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

He’s trash. A filthy corrupt politician who only cares about himself. The sooner he’s gone the better.

[Justice]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

I mean everyone should come to Jesus (pbuh)! Lol 

[JDHillFan]

Nice job Brandon. Another success on the world stage. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/09/middleeast/airdrops-gaza-israel-us-explainer-intl/index.html

 

But the UN and aid agencies have questioned how effective they will be at alleviating the situation, and their risks were shown starkly on Friday when malfunctioning parachutes caused aid pallets to hurtle from the sky at breakneck speed, killing five unsuspecting civilians.

 

But despite this advantage, aid agencies say their drawbacks overwhelmingly outweigh their benefits.

 

“Humanitarian workers always complain that airdrops are good photo opportunities but a lousy way to deliver aid,” Richard Gowan, the International Crisis Group’s UN Director said.
 

The UN special rapporteur for food, Michael Fakrhi says airdrops usually culminate in chaos.

[Justice]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRTe9jqU/
 

This is what I've been trying to tell you people from day one  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[Justice]

The truth eventually comes out. 
 

Also this pier that’s supposed to be built to “help provide aid to enter Gaza” will ultimately be used by Israel to help them move all that natural gas they’re gonna steal.  Watch. That’s the real purpose for the pier. 
 

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3702071/dod-to-construct-pier-to-deliver-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza/ 

8 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Equating Hamas with the Germans and Japan huh? This is laughable on so many levels. I’m not even going to get into the whys. If you can’t see that on your own you’re helpless. 
 

The only thing I agree with here is Hamas should give up the hostages and surrender. 

[Irv]

1 hour ago, Justice said:

The truth eventually comes out. 
 

Also this pier that’s supposed to be built to “help provide aid to enter Gaza” will ultimately be used by Israel to help them move all that natural gas they’re gonna steal.  Watch. That’s the real purpose for the pier. 
 

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3702071/dod-to-construct-pier-to-deliver-humanitarian-aid-to-gaza/ 

Equating Hamas with the Germans and Japan huh? This is laughable on so many levels. I’m not even going to get into the whys. If you can’t see that on your own you’re helpless. 
 

The only thing I agree with here is Hamas should give up the hostages and surrender. 

If you start a war, be prepared for the consequences.  Roll on Israel!

[Tiberius]

11 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

But..but..but..didn't the USAAF practice daylight precision bombings in Germany? They could of done what the British did, or what we did against Japan?

[B-Man]

 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[Justice]

4 hours ago, Irv said:

If you start a war, be prepared for the consequences.  Roll on Israel!

You can take your 1400, 1300, 1200… whatever the ***** the number is today and shove it up your ass! I told you morons from day 1 they killed their own on the 7th! Ain’t no babies in ovens… ain’t no mass rapes! Lies lies lies. 

[Irv]

43 minutes ago, Justice said:

You can take your 1400, 1300, 1200… whatever the ***** the number is today and shove it up your ass! I told you morons from day 1 they killed their own on the 7th! Ain’t no babies in ovens… ain’t no mass rapes! Lies lies lies. 

Have you considered decaf?  What a mess.  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

[Justice]

12 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

She said it. It must be true. Please. 

[njbuff]

22 hours ago, Justice said:

You can take your 1400, 1300, 1200… whatever the ***** the number is today and shove it up your ass! I told you morons from day 1 they killed their own on the 7th! Ain’t no babies in ovens… ain’t no mass rapes! Lies lies lies. 

 

Are you ok bro? Did your boyfriend cheat on you again, Nancy? 

 

As Irv would say.. "What a mess"

[B-Man]

 

 

Hezbollah Ramps Up Ramadan Attacks; Biden Hardest Hit ?

 

 

So much for that strange demand that Israel observe Ramadan during its war against Hamas and other Islamist terror networks. Hezbollah has 'celebrated' Ramadan by increasing the pace of its attacks in the north of Israel, ramping up the intensity of both sides. Overnight, Hezbollah launched over 100 rockets at Israel, prompting another round of answering attacks on their positions:

 

Consider Hezbollah's explanation an example of the Mom He Hit Me Back! genre of spin. Hezbollah has launched rockets at northern Israel since the start of the Gaza operation, clearly wanting to divert some of Israel's defenses to its north to slow down the offensive against Hamas in the south. It has worked to some degree but not nearly enough, as Hamas' rapid collapses in Gaza City and Khan Younis proved. The attacks on Bekaa on Monday came as retaliation for attacks by Hezbollah, and so on ad infinitum, or at least ad October 7.

 

At any rate, this makes hash of Joe Biden's arguments for a Ramadan pause. Iranian proxy Hezbollah isn't observing a Ramadan 'pause'; they're not bothering to ask for one, either.  In the first place, Islamic nations and terror networks don't observe this holiday with peaceful interludes in conflicts, and even more to the point, they don't respect anyone else's religious days of observance in their attacks either. In fact, they like to use Israel's holy days in particular as propitious dates for attacks, both for reasons of religious supremacy but also for better surprise against a presumably less-prepared foe. 

 

That includes the October 7 attacks by Iran's other proxy terror network, Hamas. 

 

 

.https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/03/12/hezbollah-ramps-up-ramadan-attacks-biden-hardest-hit-n3784525

[sherpa]

On 3/11/2024 at 10:01 AM, Tiberius said:

But..but..but..didn't the USAAF practice daylight precision bombings in Germany? They could of done what the British did, or what we did against Japan?

 

There was no such thing as "precision bombing" in WWII.

Beyond that, no surprise, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

[sherpa]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Hezbollah Ramps Up Ramadan Attacks; Biden Hardest Hit ?

 

 

So much for that strange demand that Israel observe Ramadan during its war against Hamas and other Islamist terror networks. Hezbollah has 'celebrated' Ramadan by increasing the pace of its attacks in the north of Israel, ramping up the intensity of both sides. Overnight, Hezbollah launched over 100 rockets at Israel, prompting another round of answering attacks on their positions:

 

 

This Ramadan thing is idiotic.

The 73 war, Yom Kippur, was launched against Israel on the occasion of the religious holiday Yom Kippur, knowing that the IDF, largely reservists, would be celebrating the religious holiday.

 

Additionally, it was known in the Arab world as the Ramadan War, taking place on the tenth day of the Ramadan month.

Total nonsense.

[Tiberius]

27 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

There was no such thing as "precision bombing" in WWII.

Beyond that, no surprise, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Why would you say that? What are you talking about? 

[sherpa]

5 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Why would you say that? What are you talking about? 

 

Perhaps you don't understand.

There was no "precision bombing" then.

Certainly nothing close to what sophisticated, well trained attack forces with advanced weapons systems are capable of doing now.

 

[Tiberius]

40 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

Perhaps you don't understand.

There was no "precision bombing" then.

Certainly nothing close to what sophisticated, well trained attack forces with advanced weapons systems are capable of doing now.

 

There was precision bombing in WW2 practiced by the 8th Army Air Force. And of course they were not as accurate as todays weapons eighty odd years later 

[Precision]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

There was precision bombing in WW2 practiced by the 8th Army Air Force. And of course they were not as accurate as todays weapons eighty odd years later 

Some info regarding accuracy of bombing in WW2 below.  My grandfather was a waist gunner on a B-24 in WW2.  He joked that they were lucky to hit the city the target resided in.  Not sure if that was true or him just being him.

 

 

National Museum of the United States Air Force - Enabling Technologies

—by the end of the war, about 50% of the bombs dropped visually hit within 1,000 feet of the target.