HappyDays Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 I think on re-watch Josh Allen will look even better than he appeared during the live broadcast. He overcame numerous pass protection errors, drops, and a totally invisible performance from his WR2, while leading his offense to an explosive day against an elite defense. The Bills passing offense has a major personnel issue. Everybody can see that. Without Allen our passing offense would look like the Jets, that's a fact. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DapperCam Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 I think his only chance is we run the table with him putting up stats like tonight the rest of the way. It isn't likely, but anything is possible. If Purdy wins it will be so underwhelming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, DapperCam said: I think his only chance is we run the table with him putting up stats like tonight the rest of the way. It isn't likely, but anything is possible. If Purdy wins it will be so underwhelming. Well it's not going to be Burrow and he gets to up against Mahomes and Tua again, so he does have a shot technically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 I feel like this thread is just a meme at this point. We're the only fanbase seriously talking about Josh as an MVP candidate. Maybe if the Bills somehow win out, and Josh goes consecutive games without an INT. Even if all INTs aren't created equal, they still show up on the stat sheet & make a bad impression. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I feel like this thread is just a meme at this point. We're the only fanbase seriously talking about Josh as an MVP candidate. Maybe if the Bills somehow win out, and Josh goes consecutive games without an INT. Even if all INTs aren't created equal, they still show up on the stat sheet & make a bad impression. I think it’s intentionally just a meme at this point tbh haha. If we finish 5-1 or win out he’s got a good chance but everyone knows that’s a long shot Edited November 20, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 If any QB should be MVP, it should be CJ Stroud. He's carrying that team to a playoff spot so far. IMO if they make I can see him getting the MVP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: If any QB should be MVP, it should be CJ Stroud. He's carrying that team to a playoff spot so far. IMO if they make I can see him getting the MVP Flavor of the month. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Flavor of the month. Disagree. He's been playing great all season. He went his first 5 games without a INT and he's been carrying this team to wins. I also said if they make the playoffs he should win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: Disagree. He's been playing great all season. He went his first 5 games without a INT and he's been carrying this team to wins. I also said if they make the playoffs he should win. It’s a rookie. He’s flavor of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: If any QB should be MVP, it should be CJ Stroud. He's carrying that team to a playoff spot so far. IMO if they make I can see him getting the MVP His 3 picks today against a 2 win team were very impressive. You can tell he is great by how he was trying to give the game away at the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: I feel like this thread is just a meme at this point. We're the only fanbase seriously talking about Josh as an MVP candidate. Maybe if the Bills somehow win out, and Josh goes consecutive games without an INT. Even if all INTs aren't created equal, they still show up on the stat sheet & make a bad impression. To be fair I can't really think of anyone worthy of the MVP this year. At least not like in years past when there was always at least one guy that seemed like an obvious choice. We could have our weakest MVP winner in a longtime. Allen has the good stats. He and the Bills just need to start winning. Finishing 6-1 and wins over Hurts, Mahomes and Tua again would probably cement it. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: I feel like this thread is just a meme at this point. We're the only fanbase seriously talking about Josh as an MVP candidate. Maybe if the Bills somehow win out, and Josh goes consecutive games without an INT. Even if all INTs aren't created equal, they still show up on the stat sheet & make a bad impression. Eh it makes since to update it each week when its still technically relevant, which it weirdly enough is because somehow nobody has runaway with this thing and despite a very bad midseason Josh still technically has a shot. 🤷♂️ Like I'm not disagreeing that he's not the guy now, but no one really is anyone that's sort of in the position is basically someone we've got to beat still which would give him a shot. 1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said: If any QB should be MVP, it should be CJ Stroud. He's carrying that team to a playoff spot so far. IMO if they make I can see him getting the MVP I have not paid enough attention beyond the concept that they're doing well mainly because the Bills playing like crap has made me pay peripheral attention to other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: This just made me smile. Like one of those "y'all dun messed up" kinda smiles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 hours ago, BigDingus said: I feel like this thread is just a meme at this point. We're the only fanbase seriously talking about Josh as an MVP candidate. Maybe if the Bills somehow win out, and Josh goes consecutive games without an INT. Even if all INTs aren't created equal, they still show up on the stat sheet & make a bad impression. Josh Allen has 7 more TDs than any other player in the NFL. He's obviously an MVP candidate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Steven A said it was down to Mahomes & T Swift 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Josh Allen has 7 more TDs than any other player in the NFL. He's obviously an MVP candidate Josh Allen currently has worse MVP odds than Aaron Rodgers. Everyone is technically an MVP candidate. But he’s not a realistic one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Josh Allen currently has worse MVP odds than Aaron Rodgers. What the heck book is that? Not what I see on Bovada. I see him tied with Goff at +3500. And ahead of Hill at +5,000. Don't see Rodgers anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: What the heck book is that? Not what I see on Bovada. I see him tied with Goff at +3500. And ahead of Hill at +5,000. Don't see Rodgers anywhere. https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/ Looks like Fanduel. Edited November 20, 2023 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Why do people even care about the mvp? Honestly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/mvp/ Looks like Fanduel. They are an odd book to say the least. They have Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins and Rodgers all still listed. Them and one other book. The other books don't even have those guys on the board as available wagers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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QCity Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 6 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: They are an odd book to say the least. They have Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins and Rodgers all still listed. Them and one other book. The other books don't even have those guys on the board as available wagers. I don't see any of those players listed on Fanduel or MGM, more likely that Vegas Insider website is stale. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: He will also still lead in INTs. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said: He will also still lead in INTs. Well, unless Mahomes or Hurts throw 4 interceptions. Unlikely, but possible. Regardless, notice that all those "MVP candidate" QBs aren't exactly protecting the football. Tua and Lamar have 11 turnovers, Mahomes has 10 turnovers and Stroud has 9. Purdy is protecting the football more than any other candidate and only has 5 turnovers right now, but has also had incredibly good fortune. He's fumbled 6 times and just hasn't lost any of them. Yep... Allen has 15 turnovers. But he has 29 touchdowns. The next closest player in TDs right now is Hurts, who has 22. So is that 4 turnover difference more impactful negatively than the 7+ (in most cases plus) difference in TDs positively? And just so you know, Allen has 9 more TDs than Purdy, 10 more TDs than Stroud, and 12 more than Lamar & Mahomes. At the moment, Purdy is the one maybe most deserving, but is he? He's got another guy in McCaffery on his side of the ball playing at an MVP level. Same goes for Tua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Why do people even care about the mvp? Honestly. Good question...I only care because I bet on him every year to win it for 3 years now straight lol. I make the same $100 bet each year, so he needs to win it in the next couple years for me to be ahead when he does win it without having to up my bet lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Mediocre Hurts is #1 in odds right now. Buddy is going to tush push his way to MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Mediocre Hurts is #1 in odds right now. Buddy is going to tush push his way to MVP. Is that the deal now? Give the MVP to the QB on the team with the best record? Thought Hurts was generally awful last night, processing so slowly I thought he might be concussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 Right now Allen has 5 more TDs, 3 more turnovers, and 294 more yards than Jalen Hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Right now Allen has 5 more TDs, 3 more turnovers, and 294 more yards than Jalen Hurts. How many more losses? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: How many more losses? Right now? 4. They play each other next week. And then Allen plays Mahomes. And then Allen plays the Cowboys and Dak. And then Allen plays Herbert and the Chargers. Buffalo wins 3 or 4 of those games and Allen looks good and plays more like he did a couple days ago... well... I'm sure you know where the national conversation goes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: How many more losses? The losses are all Allen’s fault. It’s his responsibility to make sure there aren’t 12 men on the field for special teams. And it is definitely his job to not allow a 90 second Mac Jones game winning TD drive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Right now? 4. They play each other next week. And then Allen plays Mahomes. And then Allen plays the Cowboys and Dak. And then Allen plays Herbert and the Chargers. Buffalo wins 3 or 4 of those games and Allen looks good and plays more like he did a couple days ago... well... I'm sure you know where the national conversation goes. If Allen wins the next 4 all of the bozos you’ve been responding in this thread will spend their afternoons griping about something else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 9:02 AM, C.Biscuit97 said: Why do people even care about the mvp? Honestly. Right... because when anyone says anything about Lamar Jackson nobody brings up "bErt He gOtz aN mVpS" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) On 11/20/2023 at 9:02 AM, C.Biscuit97 said: Why do people even care about the mvp? Honestly. Josh Allen is our representative on the NFL stage. Validation of his performance justifies the rose colored glasses through which we view him. Plus, it's fun. Edited November 21, 2023 by Punch 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, DapperCam said: The losses are all Allen’s fault. It’s his responsibility to make sure there aren’t 12 men on the field for special teams. And it is definitely his job to not allow a 90 second Mac Jones game winning TD drive. MVP voters don’t care lol. 37 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Right now? 4. They play each other next week. And then Allen plays Mahomes. And then Allen plays the Cowboys and Dak. And then Allen plays Herbert and the Chargers. Buffalo wins 3 or 4 of those games and Allen looks good and plays more like he did a couple days ago... well... I'm sure you know where the national conversation goes. If Allen goes 4-0 in that gauntlet, he will be in the convo and deservedly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, ToGoGo said: If Allen wins the next 4 all of the bozos you’ve been responding in this thread will spend their afternoons griping about something else. 3 out of 4 should do it 3 hours ago, FireChans said: If Allen goes 4-0 in that gauntlet, he will be in the convo and deservedly so. He will if he wins 3 of 4 and plays well. EDIT: The truth is if Allen does what Mahomes couldn't do and beats Hurts and the Eagles and plays well, he's immediately top 3 in the conversation of the voters with 2 weeks of build up and anticipation for the game against Mahomes. Edited November 22, 2023 by transplantbillsfan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 On 11/20/2023 at 9:02 AM, C.Biscuit97 said: Why do people even care about the mvp? Honestly. Cause it would be cool to see a Bills player be recognized as the best in the world. Why do you care that people care??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: 3 out of 4 should do it He will if he wins 3 of 4 and plays well. EDIT: The truth is if Allen does what Mahomes couldn't do and beats Hurts and the Eagles and plays well, he's immediately top 3 in the conversation of the voters with 2 weeks of build up and anticipation for the game against Mahomes. I will bet a LARGE amount of money. Even if Allen and the Bills beat the Eagles, Allen will not be top 3 in MVP odds the next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, FireChans said: I will bet a LARGE amount of money. Even if Allen and the Bills beat the Eagles, Allen will not be top 3 in MVP odds the next week. It's not just beating the Eagles... it's Allen playing well and them beating the Eagles. If you want to make a bet with the Jets game as a floor for Allen with a Bills win, we can. Sooo... Bills win with Allen getting 290+ yards, 3+ TDs and no more than 1 turnover... on the road against the team with the best record in the NFL.. I will make a bet with you that at least 1 sports book puts Allen in the top 3 in MVP odds. Edited November 22, 2023 by transplantbillsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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