Royale with Cheese Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: I think even the most ardent Bills homer would have to admit that wasn’t the play of a QB who had relentlessly studied the Jets defense from the two games last year. He looked unprepared and his line about preferring to react to what he’s seeing in game versus overdoing tape study rings louder after that sort of performance. It was the most confused I've seen from him since his rookie year at the Packers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 13, 2023 Author Share Posted September 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: I think that’s the real question we’re all dancing around but not asking directly: Is Josh Allen coachable? He appeared to be with Daboll...no? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 I've seen way too much good from Josh to think this gonna be normal for him. All human beings perform on a curve. On Monday night he was at a -3 SD from the Mean 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 19 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Oh, absolutely. He owes that to the team that gives him what, something akin to $3M/game, if not the fans that essentially allow him to have all those endorsement deals. I've remained relatively silent on the issue, but the offseason dating, golf, outtings with the boys, etc. alongside his "never been more focused," doesn't seem to jibe. I suppose he deserved the benefit of the doubt, but that's gone now. It was a short honeymoon by the media reaction, both regional (Bills) as well as national. Those defending it are doing so on the merits that he'll be better in most games, which no doubt is true, but we need him to be his absolute best come playoff time when the only times we've won, all but one of the four anyway, have been because of him. The Lombardi isn't a race to 40 TD passes, it's whether or not we can beat the best teams in the AFC in the playoffs, then the best that the NFC puts up. So far we've not done that. I realize that's preaching to the choir, just sayin'. I doubt he'll "fizzle to mediocre" under any circumstances. It's far more likely that he suffers a shoulder or other injury while trying to leap tall players in a single bound. I suppose he could be mediocre after that if his recovery isn't perfect. My position for years now is that he absolutely has to learn how to hit the high-percentage much easier short passes to players that are wide open yet can still make good gains and log 1st-Downs. He has yet to demonstrate that he can do that for an entire season. There's been stretches, but not anywhere approaching an entire season. The best in the league do that second nature. Brady thrived on it. Take what the D gives you when it gives you something. The fact that he's as good as he is, is a testament to his physical capabilities and athleticism. I've never seen another QB in NFL history that does what he does not throwing. Some have run, but not like he does. We'll see how it unfolds. But somewhere in that mix coaching, or not coaching, lurks. The McD apologists are having a difficult time coming to grips with that. And BTW, it's also not fair to his OL when he doesn't do that. great post. that performance didn't reek of a guy "more focused than ever" on the QB position in the NFL. at least the second half didn't by any stretch. look it was the first game, on the road, division rival, against a team that was THE offseason darling... that's buzzsaw of an environment to play, but knowing that, you'd think the recently focused Josh Allen would have realized this might be a game to be a little conservative. nobody questions he might be the most gifted QB in the NFL physically, but he needs to make strides in the game as a tactician. its time to see even incremental progression, and we're just not seeing that yet. hate to see other guys load up on rings, wile our guy is always "if only..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 15 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Dorsey is still new at this. He is in over his head - his job isn’t just calling plays. We’re not working with year 1 or 2 Josh. We have a QB off 3 MVP caliber seasons. What’s the reason for 17 INTs in 17 games under Dorsey? Josh is ultimately responsible. But McD needs to get an OC that is the right fit for Josh’s game. Daboll was a meh play caller to but he got the most out of Josh bc he understood what he does well and doesn’t more importantly what makes him tick. This Dorsey hate is ridiculous. Compare last year's offensive stats with the year before. I have not reviewed the All 22, but I do not recall Dorsey throwing three interceptions and fumbling. I also do not recall Dorsey missing blocks or unable to tackle. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, Peter said: This Dorsey hate is ridiculous. Compare last year's offensive stats with the year before. I have not reviewed the All 22, but I do not recall Dorsey throwing three interceptions and fumbling. I also do not recall Dorsey missing blocks or unable to tackle. What are your thoughts on Leslie Frazier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 36 minutes ago, Peter said: This Dorsey hate is ridiculous. Compare last year's offensive stats with the year before. I have not reviewed the All 22, but I do not recall Dorsey throwing three interceptions and fumbling. I also do not recall Dorsey missing blocks or unable to tackle. Team in win now mode at the peak of their powers handed over OC to someone that never has called plays. In a league that catches on to you quick - does it look like we’ve adjusted since the first Jets game last season? 46 passes against the best secondary in the NFL. Yea, they’re at least getting 1 or 2 picks minimum. I guarantee no team throws it over 35 times vs the Jets the rest of the season. Barring injuries to their D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKemp Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 It is now obvious that Josh Allen needs to play more in the preseason to help get his head back into playing real football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Team in win now mode at the peak of their powers handed over OC to someone that never has called plays. In a league that catches on to you quick - does it look like we’ve adjusted since the first Jets game last season? 46 passes against the best secondary in the NFL. Yea, they’re at least getting 1 or 2 picks minimum. I guarantee no team throws it over 35 times vs the Jets the rest of the season. Barring injuries to their D. The Cowboys are playing them this week and I'm pretty sure you're going to see Dak throw at least 35 times. So will KC and the Chargers and the Dolphins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 16 hours ago, JohnNord said: New OC? Not just new but 1 year combined exp as an NFL offensive coordinator 😂.... inexcusable to elevate a green coordinator right in the midst of our Superbowl window lol.....just blows my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: I think that’s the real question we’re all dancing around but not asking directly: Is Josh Allen coachable? How do you think we got to where we are in the first place? Come on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 48 minutes ago, Peter said: This Dorsey hate is ridiculous. Compare last year's offensive stats with the year before. IMO hate is a bit strong, but criticism is certainly at least somewhat warranted. Allen is the foundational/cornerstone element to the Offense that Dorsey "coordinates." But wouldn't you agree that it's the job of an OC to adjust to the opposing defense both during games but especially at the half, to the goal of improving and outperforming that same defense and DC? And visa versa for the defense? Here are Allen's stats by half from last season. Last season 24 of Allen's passing TDs were in the 1st halves of games. He had 11 in the 2nd halfs of games, fewer than half as many and not even 1 per game. His INTs were about the same despite having about 25% fewer passing yards in the 2nd halves of games. AKA a somewhat higher INT%. His 1st half rating average was 103.1, his 2nd half rating average was 89.5, the latter of which is incredibly average on a season. While many here are loathe to accept it, in-game adjustments, which is an incredibly significant attribute of the best coaches in the league, is not something that this team has been better than their top opponents at. Last season we averaged 28.4 PPG. Of that, 12.9 PPG were in the 2nd halves, 15.5 in the 1st halves. We started out with 45 of those second half points in the first two games however, but after that our 2nd half average scoring dropped to 11.5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: How do you think we got to where we are in the first place? Come on. Exactly I think the question everyone needs to have answered is this coaching staff not in tune with who Josh Allen is? And are they trying to coach out of him that which makes him so great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: The one thing I have a grip about with Dorsey is Allen is very successful under center and play action. We only ran that 14% of the time according to Joe Marino. Why not run something more when it's incredibly successful? Exactly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: He appeared to be with Daboll...no? Yes... I'm not sure if things changed as time went on... They probably did because Josh improved so much. But I know Dabs did not go easy on Josh early on when he needed to hear it. Everyone is different and I'm not saying dressing down a dude is the answer to everything. But maybe there is a balance? I don't know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Yet we got our head coach throwing Gabe under the bus essentially… maybe he’ll find some time to stop clapping and watch some of this tape too. Sean MIDdermott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: Yet we got our head coach throwing Gabe under the bus essentially… maybe he’ll find some time to stop clapping and watch some of this tape too. Sean MIDdermott Gabe needed to separate more, I think he’s allowed to critique him as well as Josh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: Sorry, wasn't going to watch 36 minutes of this guy yapping. Let me know when there's a real all-22 analysis including actual video It's a podcast... It's not meant to be consumed while staring at your screen. I listen to this and other similar podcasts while commuting and while doing chores. It has basically taken the place of sports radio for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: I think that’s the real question we’re all dancing around but not asking directly: Is Josh Allen coachable? He is coachable but his stubbornness is like an addiction - you can't trust him with it without constant over -sight and positive reinforcement. Dude is like a petulant child who constantly needs parenting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Roundybout said: You do not bench your franchise quarterback, end of discussion. Sure you do. He certainly isn’t playing the part of franchise QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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