Mike Vick at Bills practice and the nfl script release

[benderbender]

Too bad we didn’t get Gronk to come and speak. He’d be metal elbowing everyone and handing out Tide Pods. Then this board would be ecstatic. 

[May Day 10]

  On 8/25/2023 at 2:13 PM, T&C said:

If he hadn't been busted he'd still be doing it. 

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Yes, that is probably true.  Maybe it would be worse with a network of similar organizations, who knows?

 

He did get busted and he lost a lot because of it.  

 

I understand if people are still angry with him/have no use for him/etc.  I'm a dog guy, so when all this was happening and well into his 'return', I was frothing at the mouth with hate.  Somewhere along the line, I forgave and believe that he changed.  

[JohnBonhamRocks]

  On 8/25/2023 at 2:27 PM, uticaclub said:

Apparently Josh Allen is so good in Madden this year it’s being compared to the year Vick was a cheat code in 04

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I had a play to burn before the half with him and came within an inch of juking (edit: and hurdling (can’t forget the hurdling)) through a defense to the house from our 20.

Edited August 25, 2023 by JohnBonhamRocks

[boyst]

  On 8/25/2023 at 2:30 PM, Jauronimo said:

Perhaps.  But he was busted and he did real time for it.  The rich and famous usually avoid consequences but Vick paid his debt to society.  

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Sadly, it's not good enough

 

Really says a lot more about the others who hold such space in their heart to still hate the dude who never impacted their life beyond some fantasy game or viewing habits.

 

People are stupid.

[BillsFan2313]

  On 8/25/2023 at 2:40 PM, boyst said:

Sadly, it's not good enough

 

Really says a lot more about the others who hold such space in their heart to still hate the dude who never impacted their life beyond some fantasy game or viewing habits.

 

People are stupid.

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This. 100%

[TheBrownBear]

  On 8/25/2023 at 12:34 PM, Not at the table Karlos said:

What next step does Vick know how to get to? 

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Parole.

[Blackbeard]

Man's best deserves better than this #######.

 

SHAME ON YOU TERRY & KIM PEGULA

[PetermansRedemption]

Not really sure why bringing in a criminal to speak to the players was ever considered a good idea? Who came up with it and then who slammed the table and was like “YES”. For an organization that preaches character this seems like an odd choice. Could have brought in any of the thousands of players of NFL past. 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 8/25/2023 at 2:40 PM, boyst said:

Sadly, it's not good enough

 

Really says a lot more about the others who hold such space in their heart to still hate the dude who never impacted their life beyond some fantasy game or viewing habits.

 

People are stupid.

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If he was a guy you worked with or your neighbor doing that in his back yard, you wouldn't be saying it's cool to come to your office now and chat up the fellas or knocking on your door to hang out after he did his time.

 

Hero worship is stupid.

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:07 PM, PetermansRedemption said:

Not really sure why bringing in a criminal to speak to the players was ever considered a good idea? Who came up with it and then who slammed the table and was like “YES”. For an organization that preaches character this seems like an odd choice. Could have brought in any of the thousands of players of NFL past. 

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OJ was busy?

[Ralonzo]

Did someone check for Ron Mexico on the Best Western guest registry?

 

Edited August 25, 2023 by Ralonzo

[LABILLBACKER]

  On 8/25/2023 at 1:16 PM, Blackbeard said:

You cannot sway me at all in having anything but disdain for this low-life piece of *****. 

 

Actually shocked the Bills franchise would place him, of all people, into the BIlls organization, all knowing it will rub many people wrongly.

 

Shameful imo.

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Yeah this is very wierd and out of character for the Bills organization?

[boyst]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:13 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

If he was a guy you worked with or your neighbor doing that in his back yard, you wouldn't be saying it's cool to come to your office now and chat up the fellas or knocking on your door to hang out after he did his time.

 

Hero worship is stupid.

 

OJ was busy?

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...that's a whole lot of presumptuous bull#### right there big fella.

 

Let's break this horsebleepof yours down:

A- you have no idea what type of neighborhood or work I have

B- what's great, I don't either. Coworkers and neighbors could be serial killers in their past and id never know. I don't judge or research such bull####

C- I don't judge people based on something of their past, something I wasn't involved with, something 20 years ago that they've done their "time for."

 

D- you don't ever see me mock these d- bag sportsball players who don't impress me with their intellect, "dangerous jobs," or anything. I don't think they are heros. Nor are nurses, teachers, firefighters, or police. It's their job. Shut up and do it ... Or don't. 

 

... seriously, you couldn't have picked a more wrong take on this with me. Jesus weo.

 

Edited August 25, 2023 by boyst
Word filter didn't work and I get slapped around for system flaws when it doesn't

[Mr. WEO]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:22 PM, boyst said:

...that's a whole lot of presumptuous bull#### right there big fella.

 

Let's break this horsebleepof yours down:

A- you have no idea what type of neighborhood or work I have

B- what's great, I don't either. Coworkers and neighbors could be serial killers in their past and id never know. I don't judge or research such bull####

C- I don't judge people based on something of their past, something I wasn't involved with, something 20 years ago that they've done their "time for."

 

D- you don't ever see me mock these d- bag sportsball players who don't impress me with their intellect, "dangerous jobs," or anything. I don't think they are heros. Nor are nurses, teachers, firefighters, or police. It's their job. Shut up and do it ... Or don't. 

 

... seriously, you couldn't have picked a more wrong take on this with me. Jesus weo.

 

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settle down.

 

none of the bolded matters.  you wouldn't have that guy anywhere near you after he got out.  you certainly wouldn't invite him over.

 

That's all.

[That's No Moon]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:07 PM, PetermansRedemption said:

Not really sure why bringing in a criminal to speak to the players was ever considered a good idea? Who came up with it and then who slammed the table and was like “YES”. For an organization that preaches character this seems like an odd choice. Could have brought in any of the thousands of players of NFL past. 

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I dunno, maybe because it's instructive to meet and speak with people who have had major adversity in their life and have turned their life around and found new success through change.

 

I'm also going to throw out there that Beane and McDermott aren't shy about their Christian morals and part of that (the part people like to forget) is forgiveness and not lying in judgement of others. Vick paid his debt to our society and will be judged by a higher power after his passing. 

[Nelius]

Yeah this is pretty weird, wonder if there's more to the connection. Otherwise you'd think any other QB from the last 30 years would have been a better idea. The complete randomness is the strangest part. If he say had a brother working as an assistant or something then I could maybe do the mental gymnastics to make this work.

[boyst]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:27 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

settle down.

 

none of the bolded matters.  you wouldn't have that guy anywhere near you after he got out.  you certainly wouldn't invite him over.

 

That's all.

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haha. this is wrong.

 

very much wrong. i actually work with one guy who served 6 years for homicide.

 

my last job was in a very rough area and several folks there i hired were convicted of serious offenses.

 

as far as my friends, i have a few who you may not invite over but i do.

 

you really, really don't have any idea who you're talking to... so just stop. this isn't a hill you should die on even though i'm ending it here because you're just flat out, empirically wrong.

Edited August 25, 2023 by boyst

[17islongenough]

This is not good.   Vick is going to kill all the dogs in these players

[PetermansRedemption]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:28 PM, That's No Moon said:

I dunno, maybe because it's instructive to meet and speak with people who have had major adversity in their life and have turned their life around and found new success through change.

 

I'm also going to throw out there that Beane and McDermott aren't shy about their Christian morals and part of that (the part people like to forget) is forgiveness and not lying in judgement of others. Vick paid his debt to our society and will be judged by a higher power after his passing. 

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I don’t classify starting a dog fighting ring while making millions of dollars playing football to be “major adversity”. 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:30 PM, boyst said:

haha. this is wrong.

 

very much wrong. i actually work with one guy who served 6 years for homicide.

 

my last job was in a very rough area and several folks there i hired were convicted of serious offenses.

 

as far as my friends, i have a few who you may not invite over but i do.

 

you really, really don't have any idea who you're talking to... so just stop. this isn't a hill you should die on even though i'm ending it here because you're just flat out, empirically wrong.

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Empirically?  Well, I can't verify any of this.  Nor can I know if you would really have a neighbor torturing dogs in his back yard over for a beer when he got out.  I just don't believe any reasonable person would.

[May Day 10]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:40 PM, PetermansRedemption said:

I don’t classify starting a dog fighting ring while making millions of dollars playing football to be “major adversity”. 

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he had a tough upbringing where the dog fighting crap was normalized and even glorified.  

 

He did real time in prison (during his playing prime) and his financial life was in ruins.  His name and character was/is forever smeared.  He went from one of the most electric athletes in sports to incarcerated.   

 

 

Whether or not you believe him.  He seems to say and act as though he has learned from his experience.  I believe him.  This is a long time to keep his nose clean, out of trouble, and he has championed animal/dog laws.  Made speaking appearances to teach young people through his lessons.