Did we do enough? I think we are getting there.

[78thealltimegreat]

We’ve talked about this many times but man it still amazes me how we only lost 3 games with arguably the most important unit on the team being a total crap fest. I think we made some nice upgrades this off season but man Allen keeps proving hes a generational talent as he shouldn’t have had to go this long before we started to seriously upgrade this unit. 

 

Edited June 28, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat

[uticaclub]

They have made Oline moves in the past, they have just kept missing.

Edited June 28, 2023 by uticaclub

[RiotAct]

Inpossible to say right now.  I feel like offensive linemen, moreso than most other positions, have “up” and “down” years that most people didn’t foresee heading into the season.

[Don Otreply]

This upcoming seasons O-line is unlikely to be worse, so we got that going for us…, 

 

 

[Gregg]

On paper the LOS seems better on both sides of the ball. Hopefully Kinkaid has a good rookie season. But the division is harder, and the AFC overall is a tough conference.  Then there are injuries which can hit any team. The Bills should be in the mix for a championship but who knows how it will play out.

[AuntieEm]

7 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Inpossible to say right now.  I feel like offensive linemen, moreso than most other positions, have “up” and “down” years that most people didn’t foresee heading into the season.

 

 

A lot of it is also how any ref crew calls a game.  We all see the missed calls or the calls that really should never have been called.  The trenches are where the refs really can influence the games outcome.  

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

We’ve talked about this many times but man it still amazes me how we only lost 3 games with arguably the most important unit on the team being a total crap fest. I think we made some nice upgrades this off season but man Allen keeps proving hes a generational talent as he shouldn’t have had to go this long before we started to seriously upgrade this unit. 

 

 

 

According to PFF they addressed their interior OL problem with 2 OL that were bad in 2022 and two rookies.

 

I get that fans want to imagine that guys like McGovern, Edwards, Harty and Sherfield will all play SO MUCH better than they were last year because Beane's crystal ball has foretold it...........but they are just shots in the dark not an indication that they've surely made strides in those areas of weakness.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Aaron Kromer had a bad year. Year 2 for Kromer and Dorsey should be smoother. Plus Saffold was a huge disappointment.

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

According to PFF they addressed their interior OL problem with 2 OL that were bad in 2022 and two rookies.

 

I get that fans want to imagine that guys like McGovern, Edwards, Harty and Sherfield will all play SO MUCH better than they were last year because Beane's crystal ball has foretold it...........but they are just shots in the dark not an indication that they've surely made strides in those areas of weakness.

 

 

If the OL improves the offense will likely got from 2nd to 1st.

Edited June 28, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[KDIGGZ]

The Bills have to keep reaching into the veteran scrap pile because whether anyone here wants to admit it or not they have had terrible drafts. How many of their 2021-2023 draft picks will start this year? The answer is likely ZERO

Edited June 28, 2023 by KDIGGZ

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

According to PFF they addressed their interior OL problem with 2 OL that were bad in 2022 and two rookies.

 

I get that fans want to imagine that guys like McGovern, Edwards, Harty and Sherfield will all play SO MUCH better than they were last year because Beane's crystal ball has foretold it...........but they are just shots in the dark not an indication that they've surely made strides in those areas of weakness.

 

 

The proof will come either way when the games kick off, for sure. Some things to consider.

 

1. Starting a statement out with "according to PFF" is pretty much like quoting Wikipedia as a source. PFF proves absolutely nothing and should be taken with a huge grain of salt IMO.

 

2. McGovern's strength is reported to be his pass blocking. Which was a huge weakness last year. Immediate pressure up the middle in Allen's face way too often. Being that he only has to be better than Saffold was last year...I think we can expect an upgrade. How much remains to be seen. Edwards spent much of last year injured, however prior to that was pretty solid under Kromer. It's logical to think he could have some bounce back. One of the 2 rookies was considered by some as the top G prospect in the draft. Gave up zero sacks in his college career and is a stout pass blocker. Again, reasonable to expect at some point him to be an improvement.

 

3. Harty and Sherfield are basically this year's McKenzie and Kumerow replacements. Being TD Jesus missed most of the year and McKenzie was at times a disaster...the bar there isn't real high for improvement, either. Now add in Kincaid as well to that mix and again, reasonable to believe the cumulative output will eclipse what we had last year.

 

While some (not directed at you) like to take the pessimistic approach and say that this changes aren't enough because they aren't already proven...other can see things from a different angle. And neither side is wrong...until the pads go on the games kick off and we see how everything blends together. What's interesting to me is that as a team coming off 13 wins, a top offense in the league and a perennial playoff team...we have a ton of competition for starting spots or meaningful roles going into this season. This should be fun!

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

The Bills have to keep reaching into the veteran scrap pile because whether anyone here wants to admit it or not they have had terrible drafts. How many of their 2021-2023 draft picks will start this year? The answer is likely ZERO

Spencer Brown and Groot are starters. They are out of the 2021 class. Elam and Cook will either start or see a pretty high snap share most likely with Benford getting a lot of time on the field as well. I think it would be foolish to write off Torrence winning a starting spot at some point this season if not week 1. Kincaid may not "start" but again, completely plausible he sees a high volume work load. And depending on the formation they line up in may "start" some as well. 

 

Your whole statement is overblown Yes, the Bills have missed on a some picks. But right there are SEVEN guys that either will start or have an impactful role on the team.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If the OL improves the offense will likely got from 2nd to 1st.

 

 

They *might* but it's definitely not "likely".   Way too many other factors could make that not the case.    No different than saying adding a player will make us win X amount more games.    Can't quantify it like that.

 

Or like Aaron Rodgers *might* return to being the league MVP now that he's away from the toxic relationship he had with Green Bay management.......and the Jets *might* then be a SB contender with Rodgers opposite last years #1 defense.  

 

I'm not just trying to point out the negative...........I mean, if Von Miller is back healthy or AJ Epenesa has a breakout year or Rousseau and Oliver make big improvements the Bills *might* have the best pass rush in football.   Could happen too.    

[Orlando Tim]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Spencer Brown and Groot are starters. They are out of the 2021 class. Elam and Cook will either start or see a pretty high snap share most likely with Benford getting a lot of time on the field as well. I think it would be foolish to write off Torrence winning a starting spot at some point this season if not week 1. Kincaid may not "start" but again, completely plausible he sees a high volume work load. And depending on the formation they line up in may "start" some as well. 

 

Your whole statement is overblown Yes, the Bills have missed on a some picks. But right there are SEVEN guys that either will start or have an impactful role on the team.

 

I was going to argue with him but clearly he has no understanding of the Bills or football in general l, so why bother?

[Don Otreply]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

According to PFF they addressed their interior OL problem with 2 OL that were bad in 2022 and two rookies.

 

I get that fans want to imagine that guys like McGovern, Edwards, Harty and Sherfield will all play SO MUCH better than they were last year because Beane's crystal ball has foretold it...........but they are just shots in the dark not an indication that they've surely made strides in those areas of weakness.

 

 

In which that all those positions are unlikely to be worse this up coming season,  one can argue that the odds of being better is a real thing, from what I have read of your posts you have a penchant to down play most personnel changes so your appraisal is not unexpected.  You could of course be correct in your guess, and then again, maybe not,  hope springs eternal for most fans. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Spencer Brown and Groot are starters. They are out of the 2021 class. Elam and Cook will either start or see a pretty high snap share most likely with Benford getting a lot of time on the field as well. I think it would be foolish to write off Torrence winning a starting spot at some point this season if not week 1. Kincaid may not "start" but again, completely plausible he sees a high volume work load. And depending on the formation they line up in may "start" some as well. 

 

Your whole statement is overblown Yes, the Bills have missed on a some picks. But right there are SEVEN guys that either will start or have an impactful role on the team.

 

Most of the guys you mentioned are fringe starters though. I like Beane but that’s not a great 3 year crop if we’re being real. 

Edited June 28, 2023 by HomeskillitMoorman

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They *might* but it's definitely not "likely".   Way too many other factors could make that not the case.    No different than saying adding a player will make us win X amount more games.    Can't quantify it like that.

 

Or like Aaron Rodgers *might* return to being the league MVP now that he's away from the toxic relationship he had with Green Bay management.......and the Jets *might* then be a SB contender with Rodgers opposite last years #1 defense.  

 

I'm not just trying to point out the negative...........I mean, if Von Miller is back healthy or AJ Epenesa has a breakout year or Rousseau and Oliver make big improvements the Bills *might* have the best pass rush in football.   Could happen too.    

Our offense has ranked top 3 in points 3 straight seasons without a top OL.

They have ups and downs throughout every season. Saying they’re in trouble or going to be bad next year is a hot take. It’s not likely to happen unless Allen or Diggs miss games.

[Captain Hindsight]

I told my brother I want a big mean SOB with a big ass in the draft and we got one

[Billl]

53 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

According to PFF they addressed their interior OL problem with 2 OL that were bad in 2022 and two rookies.

 

I get that fans want to imagine that guys like McGovern, Edwards, Harty and Sherfield will all play SO MUCH better than they were last year because Beane's crystal ball has foretold it...........but they are just shots in the dark not an indication that they've surely made strides in those areas of weakness.

 

 

Exactly.  I've said it before, but if adding those guys are enough to fix the line and receiving corps, then why didn't these move get made last year during the season?  It's not like any of those players were so highly coveted as to be unattainable.

 

It's one thing to look at a bad line and assume you'd be significantly better by adding Quentin Nelson and Wyatt Teller.  Slapping Connor McGovern and a late second round rookie on it MIGHT work, but there's certainly no guarantee.  If it doesn't, it will be really easy to look back and say that Beane didn't do enough.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

we only lost 3 games with arguably the most important unit on the team being a total crap fest

 

Pretty sure you can call PFF a total crap fest.    Maybe the OL was not as bad as some seem to think and that is how they went 13-3 and lost by a total of 8 points.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

Most of the guys you mentioned are fringe starters though. I like Beane but that’s not a great 3 year crop if we’re being real. 

Not really. Most of the guys mentioned are in year 1 or 2 of their NFL career. I think it's fair to say they may end up fringe starters but you or I have no idea how guys like Cook, Elam or Benford will turn out in their second year. Or guys like Kincaid or Torrence will be this year (let alone next). Brown looked like a fringe guy last year, but had some solid play his rookie season. No saying how he will be this year if back to full health.