BBFL Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: The comments, good lord lmao. If this guy doesn't rack up 60 sacks, 30 forced fumbles, 90 tackles for loss and generally becomes Aaron Donald and Reggie White morphed into one then this board gonna implode. For drafted position and contract there absolutely should be an expectation for him to be changing game’s regularly. No one is asking for ludicrous stat lines just consistency. 6-8 sacks a year would be great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Then factor in what Coach Washington said about him this week. Some of the things that we do are mindboggling. If we paid everyone at his level that money comparatively ... He also only plays 60% of the snaps on D, pretty regularly, and as a high this past season. I expect more from someone getting $45M guaranteed. That's gonna hamstring Beane or the new GM significantly if it doesn't work out. His biggest knock is his lack of size. Did this extension make him bigger or faster. no chance Washington was in on driving the price down while being realistic ? Edited June 4 by 3rdand12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 18 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Well, we all hope that Ed pops off. LOL We've all been hoping for that for four seasons now. Odds that the fifth time's the charm? Here's the thing, if not, then there's one helluva huge cap hit down the road or we simply get average for that money. I'll send you the piece. You’ve made a sound argument, I’m going to hope Oliver plays a big part of a championship run and the front office can choose to part ways after year 3 of the contract if they’re so inclined. Edited June 4 by julian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 2 minutes ago, BBFL said: I don’t know man. It just doesn’t seem like he shows up in the biggest moments needed. Especially from a pass rushing perspective. 8 Playoff Games 2 Sacks, 4 TFLs, 5 QB Hits Of those, 1 Sack, 1 TFL, and 3 QB Hits were against Skylar Thompson In the other 7 playoff games he's given us 1 Sack, 3 TFLs, and 2 QB Hits. Which is poor no matter how it's addressed. Our problem is the Playoffs, not the regular season. 2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: no chance Washington was in on driving the price down while being realistic ? I'm pretty sure that they had most of this worked out prior to the end of the week. Wouldn't you say? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 I don't love or hate Ed Oliver, I think people want him to be Chris Jones but if that were the case we probably couldn't come close to affording him. He's signed right now as the 12th highest paid DT in the league and as many of these analysts are saying they think he took a home town discount because they're saying he could have had a big pay day had he waited it out but he loves it here. Also those saying he will be making 17M a season, I'm sure it will be spread out for 5 seasons so more like 13.5M or something to that effect? If you don't like the guy I get it but the contract is not bad at all for a disrupting DT again imo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, PBF81 said: 8 Playoff Games 2 Sacks, 4 TFLs, 5 QB Hits Of those, 1 Sack, 1 TFL, and 3 QB Hits were against Skylar Thompson In the other 7 playoff games he's given us 1 Sack, 3 TFLs, and 2 QB Hits. Which is poor no matter how it's addressed. Our problem is the Playoffs, not the regular season. I'm pretty sure that they had most of this worked out prior to the end of the week. Wouldn't you say? Hence my point about the biggest moments. He’s a good player, not knocking or throwing shade his way. But from financial and draft capital stand points, he’s not meeting expectations. At least to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 2 minutes ago, julian said: You’ve made a sound argument, I’m going to hope Oliver plays a big part of a championship run and the front office can choose to part ways after year 3 of the contract if they’re so inclined. You've seen his Playoff stats that I've posted a couple of times now, I think a few posts above too. They're far from impressive. But thanks, and yeah, we'll see. Hopefully we're all talking about what a great deal we got come January. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Feels like this era of the Bills is going to be the team that almost got there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: When was it reported that we didn't offer him anything and he was cool with signing here at whatever price we'd pay and didn't want to test FA? Just because we didn't sign him to an extension the year before doesn't mean one was never offered and he was never in the plans. Beane talked all offseason about how much he would have loved to have him back but just couldn't afford to compete with that offer. what offer was Beane competing with last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BBFL said: Hence my point about the biggest moments. He’s a good player, not knocking or throwing shade his way. But from financial and draft capital stand points, he’s not meeting expectations. At least to me. Agree, and that's why IMO the move reeks of desperation. We obviously couldn't afford to pay every player that plays at that level comparably at his position. 5 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Feels like this era of the Bills is going to be the team that almost got there. This season is going to be incredibly revealing of many things. First time that McD will be facing a non-easy schedule and a Division in which any of three teams can legitimately win it, and with NE refusing to go away. I have a hunch that if we either don't advance to the AFC CG or if we blow it via coaching again, that there's going to be a significant cascade of criticism to come. Edited June 4 by PBF81 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: I don't love or hate Ed Oliver, I think people want him to be Chris Jones but if that were the case we probably couldn't come close to affording him. He's signed right now as the 12th highest paid DT in the league and as many of these analysts are saying they think he took a home town discount because they're saying he could have had a big pay day had he waited it out but he loves it here. Also those saying he will be making 17M a season, I'm sure it will be spread out for 5 seasons so more like 13.5M or something to that effect? If you don't like the guy I get it but the contract is not bad at all for a disrupting DT again imo. I think that's the point tho isn't it If you want to pay the Chris Joneses sometimes you have to not pay the Ed Olivers and Dawson Knoxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 (edited) 30 minutes ago, BBFL said: For drafted position and contract there absolutely should be an expectation for him to be changing game’s regularly. No one is asking for ludicrous stat lines just consistency. 6-8 sacks a year would be great. He isn't even paid in the top half of #1 DTs in the league but feel his contract means he should be "changing games regularly" ?? By next offseason his contract won't be in the top 20. Let Beane cook. 25 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: I don't love or hate Ed Oliver, I think people want him to be Chris Jones but if that were the case we probably couldn't come close to affording him. He's signed right now as the 12th highest paid DT in the league and as many of these analysts are saying they think he took a home town discount because they're saying he could have had a big pay day had he waited it out but he loves it here. Also those saying he will be making 17M a season, I'm sure it will be spread out for 5 seasons so more like 13.5M or something to that effect? If you don't like the guy I get it but the contract is not bad at all for a disrupting DT again imo. All your numbers are off 24 minutes ago, PBF81 said: You've seen his Playoff stats that I've posted a couple of times now, I think a few posts above too. They're far from impressive. But thanks, and yeah, we'll see. Hopefully we're all talking about what a great deal we got come January. You stay whores are hilarious. It's more to his job that won't show up on a stat sheet. Edited June 4 by StHustle 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 More proof that they hated Edmunds, just like most of us did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: I am genuinely shocked by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 25 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Then factor in what Coach Washington said about him this week. Some of the things that we do are mindboggling. If we paid everyone at his level that money comparatively ... He also only plays 60% of the snaps on D, pretty regularly, and as a high this past season. I expect more from someone getting $45M guaranteed. That's gonna hamstring Beane or the new GM significantly if it doesn't work out. His biggest knock is his lack of size. Did this extension make him bigger or faster. Coach Washington didn't even say anything negative about him. He answered a question about what Oliver needs to do to take the next step. Everyone interpreted that to mean he dislikes him as a player. He never said anything of the sort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Interesting. I predicted Gabe Davis. But I knew one of Oliver or Davis would be signed. I now wonder if they don’t do both. My position on Oliver was trade him or sign him. I’m guessing they get some cap relief now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Interesting. I predicted Gabe Davis. But I knew one of Oliver or Davis would be signed. I now wonder if they don’t do both. My position on Oliver was trade him or sign him. I’m guessing they get some cap relief now. Signing Davis early provides no cap relief… he is on chump change this year,, May as well ride it out and see how he plays looking for a new deal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 hours ago, Motorin' said: Yeah... But might it be 68 across 5 season, making it 13.5 per? How do you figure? 4 year extension at 17 per. He is already making 10 something for this year and if Bills were changing THIS season's salary I would expect them to try to lower it to help sign a free agent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Oliver does need to play better, though. I think we can all agree on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: I am genuinely shocked by this. What a joke. Should’ve spent that money on Edmunds ! 😡 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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