Education in America

[Tiberius]

Is this what all this woke nonsense is about? Deflecting from this? 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just heard 20% of our top notch public elementary school staff are resigning or moving to a different school next year because they replaced the retired awesome data driven academically gifted and driven administrator with a DEI hire pushing equity over academics agenda. Glad my youngest only has one more year. 
 

thanks in advance to these idiots for tanking our homes value by destroying what was a great ES school and staff. 
 

Our community, majority being various Asian ancestry and tremendously concerned about academics is in an uproar. Hope they don’t end up on some fbi list. 

[Big Blitz]

Determined to not let re openings post Covid save their profession, public schools are cranking it up thru Grooming maybe this push will finally end it - the real estate taxes no one can afford anymore especially people double dipping by sending to private school - even Democrat politicians will turn just like they did against, well, all things American manufactured (energy, etc).  
 

House of Cards.   
 

Sad.   

Edited June 7, 2023 by Big Blitz

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

Which group has the better educated electorate?

The high earners of course. They see value in stem and not the woke BS non-sense. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

its disgusting, the group of people on this board openly cheering this stuff on. 
 

why do people without children get a say in how we raise our children?
 

I’m all for their school related property tax being waived if it keeps them and their perverted viewpoint out of the community. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

16 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure why you quoted me on this? It's empty as well, I literally don't know what I said that you're replying to with this. 

[Tommy Callahan]

16 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Is this what all this woke nonsense is about? Deflecting from this? 

 

 

The Defund police, bail reform, weak DA's have created a place where bangers are no longer worried about the consequences.

 

Shooting up a school graduation?  WTF

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/last-minute-graduation-gut-punch-212143914.html

 

This story, except for the fact that kids could not walk,  is most likely complete BS. Schools have a ton of federal aid tied to graduating students, especially at risk kids, therefore to have three schools where this happened tells me with 99.9% certainty that these kids have been warned all year what they had to do in order to graduate and they decided to goof around until it was too late. Also for the online course this student has to finish, it is most likely a credit restoration course, which means he failed the class and was given a low level replacement to simply get enough credits to graduate, not a major accomplishment. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 Charter schools outperform public schools in US, with NY results ‘among the best in the country’

 

https://nypost.com/2023/06/11/charter-schools-outperform-public-schools-in-us-with-ny-results-among-the-best-in-the-country-study/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

 

 

 

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[BillsFanNC]

 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Passive aggressive psycho. 

 

Trying to play the victim so hard.  The weaponized tears and everything. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Tommy Callahan]

11 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I would argue it's not new. just never had cameras in city schools back in the day.

 

Crazy other students had to break that up

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/12-old-facing-criminal-harassment-215122751.html

 

This is a disciplinary issue more than anything, I will bet that this district has allowed violent kids back into classes and straight bullying to be handled by restoration circles. I am ok with a simple reprimand one time, second time suspension and third time you are out of school. If the 5-8% of kids that might pull crap see real consequences they don't do it anymore. During the year one of these mouthy  kids for me decided to mouth off to the AP and immediately got a 3 day suspension, that class was better behaved rest of year to the point that kid by end of the year told me I was his favorite math teacher.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 6/15/2023 at 7:57 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

Systemic racism is obviously forcing these poor young men to beat women. 
 

Defund the police!!! 
 

Stop accelerated math!!!! 

[BillsFanNC]

"All white people are racist" is as my daughter likes to say...so basic. Or as dads like me used to say, old hat.

 

The best part of that image is telling white people that they are irredeemable racists....and here's where you can send me your money right under it.

 

 

Also notice on the list to the left under all the woke buzz words dealing with social/cultural issues.....and then "capitalism"

 

Gee, I wonder why?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

[Doc]

On 6/17/2023 at 9:05 AM, BillsFanNC said:

"All white people are racist" is as my daughter likes to say...so basic. Or as dads like me used to say, old hat.

 

The best part of that image is telling white people that they are irredeemable racists....and here's where you can send me your money right under it.

 

 

Also notice on the list to the left under all the woke buzz words dealing with social/cultural issues.....and then "capitalism"

 

Gee, I wonder why?

 

 

 

She must have a hell of a food budget...

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

She must have a hell of a food budget...

Careful, over-eaters are now classified an oppressed and marginalized group.  And I understand exercise is a racist activity so if you can bench press your own weight, you're a bigot!  

[Orlando Tim]

There are two large realities we must face when trying to improve education in the future:

1) the lockdowns did a huge amount of damage but trying to "repair" that damage is impossible. We go from here trying to set up a solution from here now, not where we were.

2) separating children by academic ability is overall a good thing. Slow kids don't learn because a quicker learner is in the room. Pushing kids who can barely do simple algebra into higher math is detrimental to the lower kids, especially since they might just need more time to get there.

[Tiberius]

42 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

 

2) separating children by academic ability is overall a good thing. Slow kids don't learn because a quicker learner is in the room. Pushing kids who can barely do simple algebra into higher math is detrimental to the lower kids, especially since they might just need more time to get there.

What if a "slow" kids demands he take higher level classes? Is it just on the teacher to fail the kid or should the administration require the student to show in advance he can handle the work? 

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What if a "slow" kids demands he take higher level classes? Is it just on the teacher to fail the kid or should the administration require the student to show in advance he can handle the work? 

I would imagine some kind of IQ test is involved.

 

Same way schools here test kids to see if they should be placed in special classes. 

 

 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

What if a "slow" kids demands he take higher level classes? Is it just on the teacher to fail the kid or should the administration require the student to show in advance he can handle the work? 

 

If the kid can't do well in the standard level classes, the answer would be "no, you can't take higher level classes."

[Tiberius]

Just now, Doc said:

 

If the kid can't do well in the standard level classes, the answer would be "no, you can't take higher level classes."

But they have a new attitude and they--actually their parents--believe the challenge of harder course work will transform little Johnny into an academic all-star! 

[B-Man]

 

 

When all students fail, all students are equal

REAGAN REESE

 

https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/19/teachers-union-exec-defends-remote-schooling-learning-loss-equal/

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

What if a "slow" kids demands he take higher level classes? Is it just on the teacher to fail the kid or should the administration require the student to show in advance he can handle the work? 

We have that in Florida, anyone can be in any class they want, so long as they completed prerequisites, and kids end up with C's and D's who can't compete. At this point it really hard to fail, the only students who failed my class accomplished all these things: at least 40 absent classes, caught cheating on a test, and missed 50% or more of homework. I will repeat they did ALL of these because if you do half the homework and show up everyday with minimal effort you get a D. If you do 80% of the homework and don't cheat the minimum you can get is a C. I had a lot of C's

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

I’VE SEEN THE LOCKDOWNS AND THE DAMAGE DONE: 

 

What the New, Low Test Scores for 13-Year-Olds Say About U.S. Education Now.

 

The math and reading performance of 13-year-olds in the United States has hit the lowest level in decades, according to test scores released today from the National Assessment of Educational Progress, the gold-standard federal exam.

 

The last time math performance was this low for 13-year-olds was in 1990. In reading, 2004.

 

Performance has fallen significantly since the 2019-2020 school year, when the coronavirus pandemic wrought havoc on the nation’s education system.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/21/us/naep-test-results-education.html

 

 

 

The pandemic didn’t wreak the havoc. Government and our educators did.

 

 

 

 

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In FL we had the option of staying home for the 2020-2021 school year and the difference between the kids is substantial even at this point. One of the biggest differences is that kids who were in class had to try and learn on their own while most the kids who stayed home learned how easy it is to cheat by using Google or other software. Many kids understand 80% of what I teach in geometry easily and those with the willingness to finish that other 20% is clearly evident. 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Tiberius]

 

[Doc]

LOL!  He's talking about Dems right now.

[Big Blitz]

Where in the world would kids have learned “meh, we don’t really need to be here anyway.”  
 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[The Frankish Reich]

On 6/20/2023 at 9:54 AM, Orlando Tim said:

We have that in Florida, anyone can be in any class they want, so long as they completed prerequisites, and kids end up with C's and D's who can't compete. At this point it really hard to fail, the only students who failed my class accomplished all these things: at least 40 absent classes, caught cheating on a test, and missed 50% or more of homework. I will repeat they did ALL of these because if you do half the homework and show up everyday with minimal effort you get a D. If you do 80% of the homework and don't cheat the minimum you can get is a C. I had a lot of C's

Wow. That's depressing.

 

There's room for snark in this forum (and I'll admit I am a participant in that), but I actually check out these topics because it's kind of like a tiny reddit - there are people who actually have experience in a certain area who can provide some insight into things I don't know much about. 

So ... how did we get to this place? I know COVID made things worse, but the trend was already well in place. Checked out or entitled parents? Social media distractions? Bad/bloated school administrators? Burned out teachers? All of the above? 

[Doc]

7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Wow. That's depressing.

 

There's room for snark in this forum (and I'll admit I am a participant in that), but I actually check out these topics because it's kind of like a tiny reddit - there are people who actually have experience in a certain area who can provide some insight into things I don't know much about. 

So ... how did we get to this place? I know COVID made things worse, but the trend was already well in place. Checked out or entitled parents? Social media distractions? Bad/bloated school administrators? Burned out teachers? All of the above? 

 

This.  As a first-gen Indian American, I can tell you that the reason why Indians are so successful is because our parents stress/stressed the value of education and get/got on our asses to do well in school.  It all starts at home.

[The Frankish Reich]

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

This.  As a first-gen Indian American, I can tell you that the reason why Indians are so successful is because our parents stress/stressed the value of education and get/got on our asses to do well in school.  It all starts at home.

This has been our experience with our kids. Although not Asian-American, I think maybe my wife and I have a bit of the tiger mommy/daddy thing in us, so we really pushed commitment to schoolwork and excellence. So far, so good. 

Part of that was probably going the private/catholic school route. Not necessarily because the teachers are better (my impression: they aren't), but because your kid is with a similar group of kids with parents who are heavily committed to academic success. Kind of a self-selection thing. 

To get a little political here: this is one of the problems with our school boards/officials. We could do the same thing with public/charter schools, setting up some for the academically gifted (I hate that word; academically committed?). But that might require the dreaded "test-in" thing that the progressives hate. So we tend to settle for the lowest common denominator in the public system. 

[SoCal Deek]

29 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

This.  As a first-gen Indian American, I can tell you that the reason why Indians are so successful is because our parents stress/stressed the value of education and get/got on our asses to do well in school.  It all starts at home.

My wife has worked at a Middle School in the public school system in Southern California for decades. Her school and her school district looks like the United Nations when it comes to racial diversity. Most of the posters on here cannot even fathom a society with such diversity. Every year, the same ethnicity of students rise to the top in grades, and dominate the spelling bee. It isn’t a coincidence. There are virtually no exceptions. She will tell you that the parents of these students value and reinforce the need for a good education to get ahead. It’s cultural. It takes hard work and dedication day after day after day. I have no idea why anyone thinks there’s some magic bullet. 

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It isn’t a coincidence. There are virtually no exceptions. She will tell you that the parents of these students value and reinforce the need for a good education to get ahead. It’s cultural. It takes hard work and dedication day after day after day. I have no idea why anyone thinks there’s some magic bullet. 

There's some sacrifice by the parents too. I mentioned in another thread that my wife and I drive cars that are over 10 years old. I live in a big city with a big city school system that is, by any account, troubled. Yet I park next to coworkers with beautiful new $100,000 cars who send their kids to those same public schools. I could have had one or two of those if my kids had gone to public school ...

(Patting myself on the back)

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

There's some sacrifice by the parents too. I mentioned in another thread that my wife and I drive cars that are over 10 years old. I live in a big city with a big city school system that is, by any account, troubled. Yet I park next to coworkers with beautiful new $100,000 cars who send their kids to those same public schools. I could have had one or two of those if my kids had gone to public school ...

(Patting myself on the back)

I suspect you've built up a substantial emergency reserve and retirement fund while those folks driving the $100K autos are stretched to the max and one missed paycheck away from trouble.  Lifestyle maximizers.   

 

My dad would call having a sizable rainy day fund as having some degree of financial independence and he would follow that up by saying "if you don't have some level of financial independence you'll never have any real freedom".  I think there's some truth to that statement.  Several years ago my previous assignment ended and as I had some emergency money I didn't have to jump at job opportunities or offers that didn't seem right.  I could wait until the right opportunity came along, which it did.  I haven't had a car payment for 10 years and don't miss it. 

 

Edited June 30, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills