Coach Tuesday Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Huh? Where did I set a low bar? I literally mentioned him among several guys who joined the team in 2020 and for some reason you want to single him out and take exception to his inclusion on a list. Have no idea why you keep bringing him up, he was like one word in a multi-paragraph post about Beane's accomplishments. This is what you actually said: 46 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: In fact our offense was 23rd in 2019 with Josh Allen the year before Beane invested in the offense more and went and got 3 very important pieces to the offense in Diggs, Davis, and Bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottLaw Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 38 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Current odds. https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/futures/ Kansas City Chiefs +600 Buffalo Bills +850 Philadelphia Eagles +900 Cincinnati Bengals +900 San Francisco 49ers +900 Dallas Cowboys +1500 Baltimore Ravens +1600 Los Angeles Chargers +2000 Jacksonville Jaguars +2500 Detroit Lions +2500 New York Jets +2500 Los Angeles Rams +3000 Miami Dolphins +3000 Green Bay Packers +3100 Cleveland Browns +3500 Denver Broncos +3500 New Orleans Saints +3500 Minnesota Vikings +4000 Las Vegas Raiders +4000 New York Giants +4000 Pittsburgh Steelers +5000 Carolina Panthers +5500 Washington Commanders +5500 New England Patriots +5500 Seattle Seahawks +6000 Chicago Bears +6500 Tennessee Titans +7000 Atlanta Falcons +7500 Tampa Bay Buccaneers +7500 Indianapolis Colts +25000 Arizona Cardinals +28000 Houston Texans +28000 Sucker bet… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Just now, ngbills said: The point was the view of the Bills super bowl chances are trending downward not upward. I still think they have a shot. I would feel much better if they would do more to help Allen plus some help at LB/DB. I think you're a little petty being that its March. It's not like they went from Favorites to out of the top 10. We could jump to #1 again. Fanduel, Oddshark, Draftkings have is just behind the Chiefs. But yes, I want more help for Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think you're a little petty being that its March. It's not like they went from Favorites to out of the top 10. We could jump to #1 again. Fanduel, Oddshark, Draftkings have is just behind the Chiefs. But yes, I want more help for Allen. I hear you. But barring a major move by the Bills it is more likely they get passed by some teams than move up. And it is a big jump - in most peoples view we went from the AFC favorite to clearly behind KC and CIN, and now have MIA and NYJ on our heals. We need to get more help, plain and simple or hope things fall our way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: This is what you actually said: Oh come on bud, you can't be seriously still talking about this lol. That is the only sentence in a long post about Beane that Bass is even mentioned...are you so desperate to discredit Beane or something that you want to nit pick this bad? Secondly, show me anything in that sentence that isn't true. Bass has been a key player since he got here when he broke the Bills franchise single season scoring record as a rookie and is already 8th in Bills history in scoring after 3 seasons here. He has been an excellent player and pick for us, so its so absurd that you take exception him being mentioned along with Diggs and Davis joining the team in the same season. If you don't think the team has benefited from Bass being a part of it, then I don't know what tell you. You make it sound like I made this big case for Bass, I literally mentioned him in a blurb of guys who have been a big part of our scoring as a top 3 offense in the NFL the past 3 years. Edited March 16 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Oh come on dude, you can't be seriously still talking about this lol. That is the only sentence in a long post about Beane that Bass is even mentioned...are you so desperate to discredit Beane or something that you want to nit pick this bad? Secondly, show me anything in that sentence that isn't true. Bass has been a key player since he got here when he broke the Bills franchise single season scoring record as a rookie and is already 8th in Bills history in scoring after 3 seasons here. He has been an excellent player and pick for us, so its so absurd that you take exception him being mentioned along with Diggs and Davis joining the team in the same season. If you don't think the team has benefited from Bass being a part of it, then I don't know what tell you. You make it sound like I made this big case for Bass, I literally mentioned him in a blurb of guys who have been a big part of our scoring as a top 3 offense in the NFL the past 3 years. This is what I actually said: 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Bass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: This is what I actually said: And then I commented back...and then you commented back again...and then I commented back...and then you commented back again. Convenient how you continuously leave all substance out of each or your replys though. This is the weirdest rabbit hole to be taken down over Bass lol Edited March 16 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 18 hours ago, Eastport bills said: You’re forgetting he was. being used in a defense with Milano and 5 in the secondary every down. He played all game without substitution and called the signals from the age of 21 to 24. He averaged well over 100 tackles and the defense was in the top 3 in every defensive metric. He was much better last season instinctively and if you can’t acknowledge that you’re in the vast minority. The guy’s just getting started and he’s a physical freak with speed and length. He would have been paid by any GM who watched his tape. Are you his agent? Yes he had a good season last year. But I don't see him getting better from there. (I think he has hit his ceiling) And he looked awful against Cincinnati in the playoffs. If he would have been paid by "any GM", why did he choose to play for one of the two or three worst franchises in the NFL right now? That's a pretty stupid decision then. Sure he is a physical freak. But O lineman are licking their chops looking at a 6'5 LB to knock around like a bowling pin. He is too long to be playing LB well in my opinion. Has no leverage at that length and not being overly stout. He was a solid player for us at times. But certainly not someone I am sad about leaving. But you can keep rooting for him on the frozen tundra of Soldier Field. It will be interesting to see how he does there. And how his replacement in Buffalo does as well. To be continued..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Are you his agent? Yes he had a good season last year. But I don't see him getting better from there. (I think he has hit his ceiling) And he looked awful against Cincinnati in the playoffs. If he would have been paid by "any GM", why did he choose to play for one of the two or three worst franchises in the NFL right now? That's a pretty stupid decision then. Sure he is a physical freak. But O lineman are licking their chops looking at a 6'5 LB to knock around like a bowling pin. He is too long to be playing LB well in my opinion. Has no leverage at that length and not being overly stout. He was a solid player for us at times. But certainly not someone I am sad about leaving. But you can keep rooting for him on the frozen tundra of Soldier Field. It will be interesting to see how he does there. And how his replacement in Buffalo does as well. To be continued..... So in your estimation,as one of the foremost evaluators of talent, at 24 he’s reached his ceiling as player no matter what system or coaching he.gets. That seems like sour grapes from a jilted fanboy.Josh and the rest of the team looked awful against the Bengals in a snowstorm. We can’t predict what he will look like in a different defense but his body, speed and length is an asset for anyone in pass coverage or chasing down backs sideline to sideline. Your problem, for the purposes of this conversation is that you refuse to acknowledge Edmunds evolution in the last year as a more instinctual, physical player who plays every down, through injury and produces. Can we survive losing him, of course, but you’re judging him by his first couple years. Remember, the Bills coach and GM loved him but couldn’t afford the price. He was classy as hell when he raved about the organization, fans and city as he left. He got generational , life changing money as the top inside LB in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 hours ago, Eastport bills said: So in your estimation,as one of the foremost evaluators of talent, at 24 he’s reached his ceiling as player no matter what system or coaching he.gets. That seems like sour grapes from a jilted fanboy.Josh and the rest of the team looked awful against the Bengals in a snowstorm. We can’t predict what he will look like in a different defense but his body, speed and length is an asset for anyone in pass coverage or chasing down backs sideline to sideline. Your problem, for the purposes of this conversation is that you refuse to acknowledge Edmunds evolution in the last year as a more instinctual, physical player who plays every down, through injury and produces. Can we survive losing him, of course, but you’re judging him by his first couple years. Remember, the Bills coach and GM loved him but couldn’t afford the price. He was classy as hell when he raved about the organization, fans and city as he left. He got generational , life changing money as the top inside LB in the game. Edmunds had a good season until the playoffs. He was much better this year. But I certainly am not buying that he is the top inside LB in the game. Fred Warner Nick Bolton Logan Wilson. I wish Edmunds the best of luck. And good for him getting that kind of contract. I am very happy we have Poyer back. He is a champion. Big time player. We are better off w Poyer then Edmunds if I had to choose one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I found Beane's press conference today extremely demotivating. He's out there saying they have 2-3 spendable millions available unless he does more restructures and he doesn't want to do more restructures. This isn't a team that lost in the SB, we got absolutely dog-walked in the playoffs by a team that improved in the offseason. We lost our starting MLB, signed a 5'6 wr and a meh OG. Oh and by signing those two we lost a 3rd rd compensatory pick. I'm a big Beane supporter, but this has been the crappiest beginning to an offseason I can remember. D'onte Foreman could have gotten in for 3M, there have been plenty of bargain basement prices out there and we haven't brought any of them home. I see neither competition nor depth on this team anymore. Gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/15/2023 at 3:36 PM, BillzFreak said: Why are you acting like Poyer is some scrub safety? Yes he is 32 but only signed for 2 years. He had a injury riddled season last year and still played really good. I mean flame away at Tremaine leaving and signing Harty, but stop with the Poyer hating. Dude, I don’t think JP Losman is allowed as an avatar. If you haven’t heard from any moderators yet, expect to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: I found Beane's press conference today extremely demotivating. He's out there saying they have 2-3 spendable millions available unless he does more restructures and he doesn't want to do more restructures. This isn't a team that lost in the SB, we got absolutely dog-walked in the playoffs by a team that improved in the offseason. We lost our starting MLB, signed a 5'6 wr and a meh OG. Oh and by signing those two we lost a 3rd rd compensatory pick. I'm a big Beane supporter, but this has been the crappiest beginning to an offseason I can remember. D'onte Foreman could have gotten in for 3M, there have been plenty of bargain basement prices out there and we haven't brought any of them home. I see neither competition nor depth on this team anymore. Gross. Beane's doing his thing. Do you want to pay top dollar for every player the bills sign? Never tip your hand. If Beane saying he is short on spendable money gets players to sign here cheaper, good. The best free agent deals are never done on day 1. But, I guarendamntee you that if a high profile/ high cost player Beane covets is available for a reasonable amount, more "spendable money" will magically appear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 This is all not bothering me because I expected and braced for it It would not surprise me to see Brandon Beane work something out in the form of a trade, though The oliver thing is bothering me if management knows that they’re not gonna be able to afford him next year. It’s better to move him now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/15/2023 at 6:27 PM, JaCrispy said: I will reserve judgement until I see a good draft… If Luke had to confront Vader in order to become a Jedi- the draft is Beane’s “Vader”…😉 So Ja, should we play this on draft day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 14 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think you're a little petty being that its March. It's not like they went from Favorites to out of the top 10. We could jump to #1 again. Fanduel, Oddshark, Draftkings have is just behind the Chiefs. But yes, I want more help for Allen. If bettting odds are the proxy of Super Bowl liklihood, we peaked at +125 last season. Meaning our odds are 6x worse now than at peak betting odds love for the Bills last year. If we go to preseason, we have gone from +400 to +850, meaning the betters think our changes are less than half of last season. So quite clearly trending downwards, among betting money. Edited March 17 by Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, Chaos said: If bettting odds are the proxy of Super Bowl liklihood, we peaked at +125 last season. Meaning our odds are 6x worse now than at peak betting odds love for the Bills last year. If we go to preseason, we have gone from +400 to +850, meaning the betters think our changes are less than half of last season. So quite clearly trending downwards, among betting money. Oh, come on guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, John from Riverside said: Oh, come on guys So the fluff posts are ok but not these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: So the fluff posts are ok but not these? I mean OK I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Oh, come on guys Get a grip. Previous poster tried to conclude that bettors like us the same because we are in the top 10. I was just pointing out that is factually wrong. Facts are facts even if they make you sad. Edited March 17 by Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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