Aussie Joe Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I'd keep him at tackle, let a vet - even Ques - genuinely compete at RT in camp. Start the best guy. If this time next year the jury is still out they need to draft a guy (not that I am not open to drafting a guy this year depending on how things fall). Interesting…what do you expect “Ques” to do in camp whilst he is “genuinely competing “ that he couldn’t show the coaches in 2022? They need to be actively seeking a better option THIS offseason … not just rolling the dice that Brown comes good or even less likely that Ques is the answer… The biggest priority on this team this offseason has to be improve the OL…Give Allen a bit more time and protection …this could go a long way to fixing the other problems on the offense that emerged in the second half of last season.. Improving the OL to me means that Bates is the 5th best OL on the team and Brown should be the swing tackle if he plays like last season… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Billy Claude said: Not saying that Spencer Brown is not a good athlete at 311 but wasn't this the year that the combine was canceled and therefore all these numbers were essentially self-reported. As I remember, there were a lot of amazing RAS numbers that year. The combine was canceled that year. I believe those were his pro day numbers, not sure about self reported. I thought they had actual pro days. However, with so many guys opting out, or in Brown’s case having his season cancelled, people were able to spend way more time than normal preparing for the workout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 For anyone who never had a serious back injury or back surgery, it is no joke. To return from surgery in a short period of time and compete as a starter in the NFL, is a significant accomplishment. We rightfully focus on the times he was beaten but we should not completely disregard the times he absolutely destroyed a defender. There just weren't enough of those plays. I have thought that quickly getting away from the running game put the o-line at a huge disadvantage in several games. This made Brown and others look worse than they actually were. Allen's propensity to hold the ball too long also skews the data. As many have said over the last few weeks, getting help on the o-line, improving the receiver room, better play calling, and a commitment to running the ball will all work together to create improved offensive performance. Brown wasn't great but swapping him out isn't the silver bullet that some believe it to be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 12 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think he ends up in the first round (although I noted DJ had him there) because he is a RT only. I feel like I have been here before - Jawaan Taylor, Teven Jenkins... guys who NFL teams see as right tackles only do not go day 1. Normally I would agree with you my friend. But it’s a weak class overall, and especially at tackle. Paris Johnson will go ahead of him. Skoronski will too tho he may wind up at Guard eventually in his career. Then Anton Harrison, Broderick Jones or Jaelyn Duncan could be first rounders too. In the last 5 years, there has been an average of more than 4 OTs taken in the first round. I think this is the year someone as polished as him can make it towards the backend of round one ahead of Duncan and Harrison even tho he will only be a RT. Combine should shed some more light on who has the chance at going in the first as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: The combine was canceled that year. I believe those were his pro day numbers, not sure about self reported. I thought they had actual pro days. However, with so many guys opting out, or in Brown’s case having his season cancelled, people were able to spend way more time than normal preparing for the workout. If you'll remember, though, during that extra time that Covid provided, Brown didn't go to one of those performance places where they teach you how to run a faster 40 and a more efficient 3-cone. He went to work with Joe Staley. Staley had a lot to teach him, but he is no expert at how go faster at your combine drills. Only after the season did he leave Staley and do combine prep (and more position prep also), Senior Bowl and so on, as he talked about below. And yeah, he got those numbers at the UNI pro day. Edited February 26, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Interesting…what do you expect “Ques” to do in camp whilst he is “genuinely competing “ that he couldn’t show the coaches in 2022? They need to be actively seeking a better option THIS offseason … not just rolling the dice that Brown comes good or even less likely that Ques is the answer… The biggest priority on this team this offseason has to be improve the OL…Give Allen a bit more time and protection …this could go a long way to fixing the other problems on the offense that emerged in the second half of last season.. Improving the OL to me means that Bates is the 5th best OL on the team and Brown should be the swing tackle if he plays like last season… Because of the injuries in camp across the oline last summer there was never a proper competition at any spot. It was like find the healthy guy. I don't think Ques is a star or anything but his pressure per snap rate was better than Brown's and at right tackle (not the occasions he was forced into duty at left tackle) I think he is viable as at least competition. If Brown and Ques have a genuine camp battle and Brown emerges from that I would at least be encouraged that there has been an element of earnong the spot. I agree that upgrading the oline is the number 1 priority. If the Bills get a shot at a guy who can be an immediate upgrade at right tackle then by all means take it. But they need to start by being better up the middle. Replacing Saffold with a genuine upgrade and being willing to take another guard too or a right tackle depending on how the offseason develops. I also think, as I did last offseason, they should be open to the upgrade left tackle and slide Dion inside option. 7 hours ago, LEBills said: Normally I would agree with you my friend. But it’s a weak class overall, and especially at tackle. Paris Johnson will go ahead of him. Skoronski will too tho he may wind up at Guard eventually in his career. Then Anton Harrison, Broderick Jones or Jaelyn Duncan could be first rounders too. In the last 5 years, there has been an average of more than 4 OTs taken in the first round. I think this is the year someone as polished as him can make it towards the backend of round one ahead of Duncan and Harrison even tho he will only be a RT. Combine should shed some more light on who has the chance at going in the first as well. I see the angle. It isn't a great tackle class. But I just don't think a right tackle only will end up in round 1. Early day 2 pick is my prediction for Wright. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: The combine was canceled that year. I believe those were his pro day numbers, not sure about self reported. I thought they had actual pro days. However, with so many guys opting out, or in Brown’s case having his season cancelled, people were able to spend way more time than normal preparing for the workout. Thanks. Still, Pro Day numbers are sometimes significantly better than combine numbers since the player has the advantage of working in a familiar environment. I seem to remember a lot of incredible RAS numbers for that draft. Edited February 26, 2023 by Billy Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) He won't be coming back from back surgery this off-season / season and will be fine. His rookie year was no fluke. Move on. I continue to be amazed at how little research people do before popping off about a player. Edited February 26, 2023 by ProcessTruster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 17 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Ingram may just be his krptonite. Everyone has a guy like that, Jerry Hughes vs HOF Joe Thomas. Stevie Johnson vs Darrelle Revis 15 hours ago, 1st&ten said: I hope Tommy Doyle & Ike Boettger can contribute next year & then sign 1 good free agent & draft 2 good lineman & maybe we can revamp the line. Doyle won't make the roster. He was awful before the ACL. He might not even make it out of OTAs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Someone mentioned Mack surgery csn he bounce back after a year of more experience and health? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 15 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: The combine was canceled that year. I believe those were his pro day numbers, not sure about self reported. I thought they had actual pro days. However, with so many guys opting out, or in Brown’s case having his season cancelled, people were able to spend way more time than normal preparing for the workout. I'm more leery of last years combine numbers than anything prior. The NFL clearly wants the combine to be must see TV and having pro day numbers be better than combine numbers was bad for participation. So they went to a new fast track surface for the 40 and it wouldn't surprise me if they changed some of the ways they measured/recorded things to produce better numbers. I'm not saying it's necessarily a 39.5 yard dash now but let's face it.......results that look large in testing can be evened out with a fraction of a second slower start by the auto timer.........and a vertical leap can be altered by the launch surface etc.. Any tricks used at pro days will get used by the NFL going forward. There is no financial disadvantage for teams to fudge numbers and make players look more amazing to the viewers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 2/25/2023 at 2:09 PM, newcam2012 said: I hear all this great stuff about Kromer. I've yet to see his supposed magic happen. It is possible he's getting too much credit. I thought the blocking schemes were pretty bad last year. Teams were able to use various stunts to pressure Allen. Look at the Cinci game for a clear example. Or is the oline just that bad? I’m no Kromer fan-boy, just wanted to acknowledge that the kid got a late jump on learning a new system for the 2nd year in a row, probably a big change from Northern iowa is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 The guy is SOOOOO bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: The guy is SOOOOO bad. Ooof, gotta go OT with the first pick. Can’t screw around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: The guy is SOOOOO bad. I'm guessing those predictions are based on Dawkins - McGovern - Morse - Bates - Brown? On the bright side, it goes to show that we're a hit at RT away from a good pass pro OL. Downside, everything said by the FO would lead us to expect Brown to be the starter next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: I'm guessing those predictions are based on Dawkins - McGovern - Morse - Bates - Brown? On the bright side, it goes to show that we're a hit at RT away from a good pass pro OL. Downside, everything said by the FO would lead us to expect Brown to be the starter next year. I’d be shocked we don’t go with Brown at RT. Even if we were to draft one in the first round, McD hates playing rookies so I’d still expect Brown to start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: I’d be shocked we don’t go with Brown at RT. Even if we were to draft one in the first round, McD hates playing rookies so I’d still expect Brown to start. All started as rookies. I obviously left Josh Allen out because he wasn't supposed to start. McDermott plays rookies a lot. Tre White Ed Oliver Tremaine Edmunds Spencer Brown Devin Singletary Dawson Knox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: All started as rookies. I obviously left Josh Allen out because he wasn't supposed to start. McDermott plays rookies a lot. Tre White Ed Oliver Tremaine Edmunds Spencer Brown Devin Singletary Dawson Knox Groot too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: All started as rookies. I obviously left Josh Allen out because he wasn't supposed to start. McDermott plays rookies a lot. Tre White Ed Oliver Tremaine Edmunds Spencer Brown Devin Singletary Dawson Knox Out of 45 picks that’s not promising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 On 2/26/2023 at 8:58 AM, Ethan in Cleveland said: Doyle won't make the roster. He was awful before the ACL. He might not even make it out of OTAs Brace yourself. I think you're in for a surprise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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