dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 He goes to town here, and he ain’t wrong: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-tries-do-too-much-vs-cincinnati-bengals?ls=pftvod 1 1 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Chris Simms is a huge Josh Allen fan, and I hope OBD is listening. 8 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) He's not wrong about the talent on the offensive side of the ball - the OL and skill players - not being comparable at all to the other remaining teams in the playoffs. When he starts going off on how there's no (this player that player) on defense, I think he's missing that we lost Von Miller to injury and that we were playing without DaQuan Jones who has been key for us, and with Oliver and Phillips hampered. Edited January 23, 2023 by Beck Water 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, Beck Water said: He's not wrong about the talent on the offensive side of the ball - the OL and skill players - not being comparable at all to the other remaining teams in the playoffs. When he starts going off on how there's no (this player that player) on defense, I think he's missing that we lost Von Miller to injury and that we were playing without DaQuan Jones who has been key for us, and with Oliver and Phillips hampered. Jones is good, but he is a complementary piece and not a difference maker. He is not Chris Jones or anything close, in other words. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, dave mcbride said: Jones is good, but he is a complementary piece and not a difference maker. He is not Chris Jones or anything close, in other words. Respectfully, I believe you to be conflating "difference maker" with "putting up stats". Putting pressure on the QB is Chris Jones job. It is not Daquan Jones job. His job was what Star Lotulelie was supposed to do, and with few exceptions never did - soak up OL and free the 3T to generate pressure up the middle. And he was doing it. Settle told us we were gonna love him, but he isn't in the same league. That's more than a "complementary piece" to my definition. Someone like that is actually foundational and fundamental to being able to get pressure in McD's defense. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Beck Water said: Respectfully, I believe you to be conflating "difference maker" with "putting up stats". Putting pressure on the QB is Chris Jones job. It is not Daquan Jones job. His job was what Star Lotulelie was supposed to do, and with few exceptions never did - soak up OL and free the 3T to generate pressure up the middle. And he was doing it. Settle told us we were gonna love him, but he isn't in the same league. That's more than a "complementary piece" to my definition. Someone like that is actually foundational and fundamental to being able to get pressure in McD's defense. Chris Jones is borderline unblockable and one of the very best d-linemen in the league regardless of what he’s asked to do. He single-handedly wrecked the bills o-line in the 2021 afc championship game. Daquon jones is a nice piece and a big step up from Star L, but he is not a difference maker. He never has been. He s a very solid starter, but that’s kind of beside the point. The larger point is the lack of elite playmakers who make game-changing plays — and sacks are more often than not big, game-changing plays. That’s why teams including the Bills, prioritize guys who can get sacks. I wanted the Bills to go after Hassan Reddick, but it wasn’t to be. He has been grrat for the Eagles. 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He goes to town here, and he ain’t wrong: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-tries-do-too-much-vs-cincinnati-bengals?ls=pftvod Chris is spot on here. Thanks for sharing. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Chris Jones is borderline unblockable and one of the very best d-linemen in the league regardless of what he’s asked to do. He single-handedly wrecked the bills o-line in the 2021 afc championship game. Daquon jones is a nice piece and a big step up from Star L, but he is not a difference maker. He never has been. He s a very solid starter, but that’s kind of beside the point. The larger point is the lack of elite playmakers who make game-changing plays — and sacks are more often than not big, game-changing plays. That’s why teams including the Bills, prioritize guys who can get sacks. I wanted the Bills to go after Hassan Reddick, but it wasn’t to be. He has been grrat for the Eagles. I feel like I just said "blahblah ginger blahblah" and you're missing the point I'm trying to make Back to the Chris Simms thing: Von Miller is an elite playmaker who can make game changing plays. The Bills prioritized him because he's a player who can get sacks. We lost him in November. Oliver was drafted in 1st round to be an elite player. He is, sometimes - and not others. He was obviously playing hurt at the end of the season. The big question the Bills need to answer is how often does that happen. IMHO the Bills need to go after top talent on OL, not DL 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I agree that Simms has this exactly right. Some good players on the Bills, but other teams have more better players. Bills lack "sizzle" around Josh and don't have any "sizzle" type players on D that can make game changing plays when needed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He goes to town here, and he ain’t wrong: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-tries-do-too-much-vs-cincinnati-bengals?ls=pftvod Wow... Florio absolutely nails it re: McDermott. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Jones is good, but he is a complementary piece and not a difference maker. He is not Chris Jones or anything close, in other words. He's not Chris Jones because they play vastly different positions. DaQuan Jones is a space eating 1 technique and Chris Jones is a up field pass rusher who has played both 3 tech and Edge in the Chiefs defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He goes to town here, and he ain’t wrong: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-tries-do-too-much-vs-cincinnati-bengals?ls=pftvod I agree somewhat to what Simms is saying but take the 3 teams Simms is mentioning here.... The Bengals, Eagles and 49ers, all 3 of these teams have QB's on rookie contracts, when Burrow, Hurts and either Purdy or Lance reup the contract they'll also be making big decisions. We should have more talent around Josh and on defense but that's what happens when you don't draft well or is it on coaching? Yes Leslie Frazier runs a version of Sean McDermott's defense but another DC may have a much better version that allows us to get to the QB better, we can't just keep doing the same things and expecting different results. I don't know if Dorsey's offense is good enough for where we want to be but it's hard to tell in just 1 season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Chris Jones is borderline unblockable and one of the very best d-linemen in the league regardless of what he’s asked to do. He single-handedly wrecked the bills o-line in the 2021 afc championship game. Daquon jones is a nice piece and a big step up from Star L, but he is not a difference maker. He never has been. He s a very solid starter, but that’s kind of beside the point. The larger point is the lack of elite playmakers who make game-changing plays — and sacks are more often than not big, game-changing plays. That’s why teams including the Bills, prioritize guys who can get sacks. I wanted the Bills to go after Hassan Reddick, but it wasn’t to be. He has been grrat for the Eagles. A guy doesn’t have to be Chris Jones in order to be severely missed. Jones was one of the most consistent performers on our team all season. He was sorely missed yesterday. Losing complimentary prices can have a negative impact on the sum. It did yesterday. I don’t think there’s any doubt about it. that said- simms is right about the offense. Beck Water is also right about Jones (and losing von). 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Sounds like a Allen fan and not far off. Regardless this team is/was on the cusp, however were completely outcoached and embarrassed yesterday. Coaches got off easy in this video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 And another Bills beat down by Cowherd. Bills embarrassment starts at about 7:10. He itemizes all of the faults, including taking out McClapper! 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 We do not have enough elite talent. I can't remember who asked me two weeks ago do I still subscribe to my "you need 4 or 5 elite guys to win a Superbowl" theory and I said then I did and I still do. 3 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: A guy doesn’t have to be Chris Jones in order to be severely missed. Jones was one of the most consistent performers on our team all season. He was sorely missed yesterday. Losing complimentary prices can have a negative impact on the sum. It did yesterday. I don’t think there’s any doubt about it. that said- simms is right about the offense. Beck Water is also right about Jones (and losing von). to me this points out the only positive im clinging to right now. a couple pure scrubs out of football/street free agents/mid tier FA pick ups added real value to our team (bease and brown, settle and jones, phillips and lawson). so like, i just HAVE to assume the FO knows the guys they drafted and paid and such kinda blow, and you think if you do well in the draft and FA you can turn the ship around (we signed hyde and poyer on teh cheap a while back). great players make players around them better. we have so few of those that every time we have some people out we just seem to suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He's not Chris Jones because they play vastly different positions. DaQuan Jones is a space eating 1 technique and Chris Jones is a up field pass rusher who has played both 3 tech and Edge in the Chiefs defense. I never said he was. I am just saying that one is more of an elite difference maker than the other irrespective of assignment. I mean, that’s not really debatable, right? Also, I am not advocating drafting d-line over offense at all. I am merely making the point that the team lacks high-end elite talent that can change games beyond Allen and Diggs. I am not talking about position at all. The Bills have a lot of perfectly decent-to-good players, of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Coaches got off easy in this video. For all the player talk, the COACHES should be the main focus of the blame. I ask again this: when has Dorsey mesmerized with good schemes, gameplans, creative formations, etc.? Players have to put in a position to win. Look at other teams for comparisons. Hey, just look at what happened yesterday: sure Burrows, Higgins, Chase are top notch. But they didn't have to be yesterday! Good schemes made them win. 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: We do not have enough elite talent. I can't remember who asked me two weeks ago do I still subscribe to my "you need 4 or 5 elite guys to win a Superbowl" theory and I said then I did and I still do. They really need to overhaul the entire scouting/pro personnel department because they're not cutting it. The ONLY value free agent Beane has signed is Jones. The entire 2022 draft class was a nonfactor during the 2022 season. Their scouting and player acquisition strategy have been C-level and with Allen graduating to a high cap hit, that's a recipe for disaster if it's not fixed. 4 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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