1onemangang7 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said: He can split time with Bijan. The way he did in Georgia with Swift, White, etc.. Yes. He's definitely your guy on 3rd and forever and a home run hitter once you soften up a defense. Just the qb can't be softener. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Cook is not the answer…he’s a nice complimentary piece…but he’s not going to help take burden off Josh… We need a guy like Mixon, Mostert, or Breece Hall- fast and hard hitting 👍 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Dorsey hasn’t utilized Cook properly. The talk all off season was how we would use him catching passes out of the backfield and isolating him on linebackers as they did in Georgia. We never used him in that capacity, which would have helped Josh tremendously and negated the many blitzes we saw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 5 hours ago, 1onemangang7 said: So by your assessment it'd be insane to mock a rb #1 to the Bills. I understand you root for the guys in the uniform but cmon man In modern day NFL football you need two stud WRs. A RB is a luxury when you have one of the poorest performing O lines. Cook will be the RB1 next season. Which is an advantage. A receiving threat as well as a running one. You can have your opinion but the Bills need upgrade at O line and WR if they want to win a Super Bowl. Many of these mock drafts are silly opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Nitro said: In modern day NFL football you need two stud WRs. A RB is a luxury when you have one of the poorest performing O lines. Cook will be the RB1 next season. Which is an advantage. A receiving threat as well as a running one. You can have your opinion but the Bills need upgrade at O line and WR if they want to win a Super Bowl. Many of these mock drafts are silly opinions. Fantasy football is all washed up dude. The tried and true workhorse back is en vogue. Fantasy was the springboard used to implement sportsbook wagering in the states.. though you're entitled to your opinion. Cook as Rb1 means they go to Josh's wheels fall off again and those that don't get it will criticize his ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, 1onemangang7 said: Fantasy football is all washed up dude. The tried and true workhorse back is en vogue. Fantasy was the springboard used to implement sportsbook wagering in the states.. though you're entitled to your opinion. Cook as Rb1 means they go to Josh's wheels fall off again and those that don't get it will criticize his ability. KC nor CIncinnati have stud RBs. They have good WR corps. Who says this is fantasy football? The NFL is a passing league but every draft there is a top RB being touted in the first round but you get value all trough the draft. Pacheco for KC is a seventh rounder. Bills NEED a WR2. Davis is more of a WR4 until he improves his catching percentage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nitro said: KC nor CIncinnati have stud RBs. They have good WR corps. Who says this is fantasy football? The NFL is a passing league but every draft there is a top RB being touted in the first round but you get value all trough the draft. Pacheco for KC is a seventh rounder. Bills NEED a WR2. Davis is more of a WR4 until he improves his catching percentage. Exactly my point. Guys better than Cook can be had 7th. I'm not advocating it has to be the number one pick but it has to be addressed and someone else is rb 1. If b. Robinson available though, that'd be one intimidating backfield looking in on he and Allen. We'll see. You need not worry. It's not my call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Sestak4ever said: Dorsey hasn’t utilized Cook properly. The talk all off season was how we would use him catching passes out of the backfield and isolating him on linebackers as they did in Georgia. We never used him in that capacity, which would have helped Josh tremendously and negated the many blitzes we saw. Seems like Dorsey doesn't use a lot of our players properly. I still don't know why the brought Beas back. Use of the slot WR was like night and day difference between Daboll and Dorsey. 33 minutes ago, Nitro said: KC nor CIncinnati have stud RBs. They have good WR corps. Who says this is fantasy football? The NFL is a passing league but every draft there is a top RB being touted in the first round but you get value all trough the draft. Pacheco for KC is a seventh rounder. Bills NEED a WR2. Davis is more of a WR4 until he improves his catching percentage. Very true. If they don't seriously address the O-line and do something to get attention off Diggs, nothing will be any different than this year and who's in the backfield will make no difference whatsoever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 still joe mixon is 220 at 6'1...Pacheco is 216 at 5'10. you guys are talking rb1 for a guy that's 190 and 5'11 ... that 190 isnt even a low center of gravity, they reached. He's not rb1. Right now Josh Allen is QB1 and RB1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 5 hours ago, 1onemangang7 said: Good luck with your obsession with Cook. You won't be happy watching your qb wear out til injury or shortened career. But you'll be happy I guess they tried the same approach and it continually failed, that is exactly insanity. Calling cook, a bust makes you look ignorant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Calling cook, a bust makes you look ignorant lol. why? they reached. he's a bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Calling cook, a bust makes you look ignorant Beane's presser really shows it off as a bust. Last gasp with the rookie contract coming to an end and they went all in on Cook at rb. A little guy who never carried more than 12 attempts in the NCAA. They put it all on Allen and now tell everyone we gotta find hidden gems it's going to be difficult to keep up with the elite in the AFC. And i'm the ignorant one?? 😆 If it was all in i sure as hell am taking Hall with that first pick or looking down the board without a thought of Cook. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 5 hours ago, nedboy7 said: Do we really think couple rookies will suddenly make this a SB OL? Seems like we need some FA with rookies in the mix. This. Right. Here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I think we’ve got one more year of Mitch Morse, and then Ryan bates takes over at center Possibly. My guess is they draft someone at some point. But IMO Morse could retire at any point because of the concussions, including this offseason. 11 hours ago, 1onemangang7 said: Good luck with your obsession with Cook. You won't be happy watching your qb wear out til injury or shortened career. But you'll be happy I guess they tried the same approach and it continually failed, that is exactly insanity. Thing is, it hasn't failed. Outside your mind, anyway. Both RBs were solid this year. Pretending that Cook and Singletary are wearing out Josh Allen ... that's what's nuts here. Edited January 25, 2023 by Thurman#1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 10 hours ago, 1onemangang7 said: Rb's like him are a dime a dozen. You spent a 2 on him. Guess our definition of bust isn't the same. Pretending that you know what a guy is after on ... again, completely nuts. Whatever your definition of bust is, it's totally wrong. Thinking that a guy is a bust after one year only shows you just simply don't get it. Unless the guy has been cut from the team calling a guy a bust after a year says far far more about your lack of a clue about how to judge busts than it does about the player. 10 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Cook is not the answer…he’s a nice complimentary piece…but he’s not going to help take burden off Josh… We need a guy like Mixon, Mostert, or Breece Hall- fast and hard hitting 👍 We really don't, Ja. It'd be nice, but it's absolutely not a need. Did L.A. have a guy like that when they won the SB? Did Brady ever play with a guy like that? Not even close to a need. Nice complimentary pieces at RB are how most (certainly not all, but many to most) SB teams look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 10 hours ago, 1onemangang7 said: Annual. Not just because knowledgeable Bills fans see it. Cause knowledge football types everywhere see it and mock it accordingly. Try watching the game more intelligently if it's gonna be your hobby. Yup, it's annual. But not because knowledgeable fans see it. Because there's a group of nutty fans, yourself obviously included, who are just obsessed with the idea no matter how many teams win SBs without a guy like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Yup, it's annual. But not because knowledgeable fans see it. Because there's a group of nutty fans, yourself obviously included, who are just obsessed with the idea no matter how many teams win SBs without a guy like that. Change your handle to Cook. Get a clue. Dopey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Possibly. My guess is they draft someone at some point. But IMO Morse could retire at any point because of the concussions, including this offseason. Thing is, it hasn't failed. Outside your mind, anyway. Both RBs were solid this year. Pretending that Cook and Singletary are wearing out Josh Allen ... that's what's nuts here. Pretending Josh wasn't the best runner on the team and depended upon in short yardage is nuts. Then the gm has the nads to say the guy is taking too many hits. Bottom line is without Allen you don't win anything. Without Cook nothing changes. You should really do something else with your time, or start getting schooled by those fans you deem nutty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 On 1/20/2023 at 7:31 PM, wppete said: I like him but we need Oline in the first 2 rounds! What offensive lineman, who represents good value will be available at #27? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 17 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Possibly. My guess is they draft someone at some point. But IMO Morse could retire at any point because of the concussions, including this offseason. Thing is, it hasn't failed. Outside your mind, anyway. Both RBs were solid this year. Pretending that Cook and Singletary are wearing out Josh Allen ... that's what's nuts here. Solid, but NO team feared their impact on a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 17 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Pretending that you know what a guy is after on ... again, completely nuts. Whatever your definition of bust is, it's totally wrong. Thinking that a guy is a bust after one year only shows you just simply don't get it. Unless the guy has been cut from the team calling a guy a bust after a year says far far more about your lack of a clue about how to judge busts than it does about the player. We really don't, Ja. It'd be nice, but it's absolutely not a need. Did L.A. have a guy like that when they won the SB? Did Brady ever play with a guy like that? Not even close to a need. Nice complimentary pieces at RB are how most (certainly not all, but many to most) SB teams look. LA had guys on their team that made defenses RESPECT them. Darrell Henderson, Cam Akers. Brady DEFINITELY had guys like that. Defenses DID NOT fear Motor/Cook. They probably invited Motor to carry the ball in hopes to make him fumble 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) Hell yeah! I highly doubt Bijan falls to 27- no brainer imo bpa and a huge need. our offense is broken. Cook, Hines, and who? Edited January 29, 2023 by Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 To me, it is all about how the draft falls I am a huge proponent of not drafting at a position whenever the player of value is not there. The reason why I keep pushing for either an offense of lineman, or a wide receiver is because typically there is value at those positions at the end of the first round. Now, let’s say all of the top players at those positions have been drafted in this running back is the best value and on the board then of course he’s the logical pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 We don't have a back that you would trust handing the ball to inside the 5. That's a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 1:30 PM, BigAl2526 said: What offensive lineman, who represents good value will be available at #27? Maybe Broderick jones or ocyrus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 6:06 AM, 1onemangang7 said: Pretending Josh wasn't the best runner on the team and depended upon in short yardage is nuts. Then the gm has the nads to say the guy is taking too many hits. Bottom line is without Allen you don't win anything. Without Cook nothing changes. You should really do something else with your time, or start getting schooled by those fans you deem nutty. You absolutely can’t make that determination player after the first year, especially one that wasn’t being used at the beginning of the year Nowadays, in the NFL, there is no one back system so I expect there to be a second running back and I’m hoping that the attributes of that running back are different than cooki, but that doesn’t mean I don’t like cooks game 6 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: We don't have a back that you would trust handing the ball to inside the 5. That's a problem. We would if we had an offensive line, that could move people off the ball The problem is in Cook’s current configuration. He would not hold up over the course of a season with 25 carries a game. At least that’s my opinion. That doesn’t mean that he won’t be an outstanding running back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 On 1/20/2023 at 3:43 PM, gjv said: Should Bijan Robinson fall to the Bills in this upcoming draft, Beane and company should sprint to the podium, thanking their lucky stars all the way, to select Bijan. An RB of his talent coupled with Josh Allen would almost be an unfair offense. Certainly, we have needs on the Oline and secondary. But in my opinion, Robinson's upgrade to our overall team won't be available at another position. Not to mention, a back like Robinson can be the center piece of an offense should Allen not be available. I agree . People just don’t realize how much we need an elite back if we ever get one I guess that’s when people will see the difference. The Bills are in need of difference makers really doesn’t matter what position they play other then QB. So at #27 grab the guy that can possibly be that difference. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 I really don’t like it, but he’s a top 5 back. This ain’t Breece Hall we are debating. I think you have to pull the trigger if he is there at 27. At least you get big time production for a cheap price for 4 years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 18 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I really don’t like it, but he’s a top 5 back. This ain’t Breece Hall we are debating. I think you have to pull the trigger if he is there at 27. At least you get big time production for a cheap price for 4 years. You could put Barry sanders behind that line. If they don’t improve the line it doesn’t matter how good the running back is. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t be the pic. I think it should depend on how the draft falls as to what player we take. I’m just saying don’t put filet mignon out there if they’re running behind hamburger meat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You could put Barry sanders behind that line. If they don’t improve the line it doesn’t matter how good the running back is. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t be the pic. I think it should depend on how the draft falls as to what player we take. I’m just saying don’t put filet mignon out there if they’re running behind hamburger meat. I agree partially. Sanders played behind lines that were god awful. This line is very, lets say below average. Saffold is terrible. But also do not think the line upgrades come via first round of the draft. I think they add in free agency. Mid level guys like a David Edwards type, and maybe draft some mid round guys. They just continue to pass on interesting mid round linemen year after year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 12 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The problem is in Cook’s current configuration. He would not hold up over the course of a season with 25 carries a game. At least that’s my opinion. That doesn’t mean that he won’t be an outstanding running back I like Cook a lot, but I don’t think he's a goal line guy. Also, due to his size, I'm not sure he'll ever be great in pass protection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Just now, Chicken Boo said: I like Cook a lot, but I don’t think he's a goal line guy. Also, due to his size, I'm not sure he'll ever be great in pass protection. I don’t think cook is a finished product physically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 I got a bad feeling about this prospect. Just a feeling. Every time I see an "ultra cut" athlete, I feel that they have failed to live up to the hype. Time will tell. But as for "need", I'd say look outside of the first for RB even if he fell to us. I'd pick an O-lineman before this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I don’t think cook is a finished product physically I'm guessing Cook adds around 10 lbs of muscle in the offseason with the program the trainers probably have him on. I'm expecting him to make great strides heading into next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 1/20/2023 at 9:36 AM, LABILLBACKER said: Omg....our desperate need for OL & WR is so ridiculously obvious, yet people still want a RB. Cook & Hines plus a couple UDFA's will do just fine. Fixing this 5 yr OL mess is the priority. And a top oline is gonna make any back look good. Whereas even the best rbs can be contained if they got a bad oline they either get stopped or worn out (injured) before end of season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: I'm guessing Cook adds around 10 lbs of muscle in the offseason with the program the trainers probably have him on. I'm expecting him to make great strides heading into next season. He couldn't add it at Georgia!! They're basically a NFL G-league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: He couldn't add it at Georgia!! They're basically a NFL G-league Do we know what he weighed coming in as a freshman? I'm pretty sure he's aware now at the NFL level he needs to be playing at a heavier weight. I've got faith in the trainers they can help him get there. Have to wait and find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 21 hours ago, Billever76 said: Maybe Broderick jones or ocyrus If Broderick Jones is available, take him. I'll be surprised if he is. O'Cyrus Torrence is a good guard prospect. Some think he's a first round value. Some think he's a second round value. He's a massive dude at close to 350 lbs. The problem is the Bills seem hell bent on running a zone blocking scheme at least part of the time. I just don't know that Torrence is going to fit what the Bills want to do. If the Bills do pick Torrence, it gives a clear indication of a shift in thinking, so we'll see. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Cook was stronger between the tackles that I thought he would be and can still add 15 pounds. I see him as ascending to be true 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Cook was stronger between the tackles that I thought he would be and can still add 15 pounds. I see him as ascending to be true 1. Charles, he ran very tentatively against the Bengals 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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