Dual #1 WR concept

[TheWeatherMan]

Has this concept demonstrated success? IMO, the answer is yes.
 

Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers, 2020-2021 Chiefs (if you include Kelsey), Eagles and Buccaneers all have or had multiple top 30 pass catchers and have demonstrated significant success under this elite dual threat concept.

 

The 2023 WR draft class is not looking all that deep and the FA market looks very weak.    Considering this, would OBD subscribe to this concept and be comfortable trading away a #1 or #2 pick and spending a huge chunk of cap space on another WR?  If so, who would you target? If not where should we allocate the picks and available cap?

 

A quick look at the salaries of top WR’s playing on bad teams leads me to believe Deandre Hopkins (30) and Mike Evans (29) / (if Brady retires) might be available. 

[Bangarang]

Fix. The. O-line.

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Has this concept demonstrated success? IMO, the answer is yes.
 

Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers, 2020-2021 Chiefs (if you include Kelsey), Eagles and Buccaneers all have or had multiple top 30 pass catchers and have demonstrated significant success under this elite dual threat concept.

 

The 2023 WR draft class is not looking all that deep and the FA market looks very weak.    Considering this, would OBD subscribe to this concept and be comfortable trading away a #1 or #2 pick and spending a huge chunk of cap space on another WR?  If so, who would you target? If not where should we allocate the picks and available cap?

 

A quick look at the salaries of top WR’s playing on bad teams leads me to believe Deandre Hopkins (30) and Mike Evans (29) / (if Brady retires) might be available. 

The bills are not going to have money to sign a big name free agent anyway could be the reason why they were hoping for Gabe Davis to be able to step up and take that number to roll

[Tanoros]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are not going to have money to sign a big name free agent anyway could be the reason why they were hoping for Gabe Davis to be able to step up and take that number to roll

Agree, for us to have two #1’s we are going to have to draft and develop for the second. We need contributors on rookies salaries in order to afford everything. As much as I’d love a second #1 wr, more than anything I just want another elite player on the offensive side of the ball. We have Allen and Diggs which is great, but we need one more atleast. With this upcoming draft, I feel like we need to land someone early who can be a major contributor on offense with the ceiling to be elite. 
 

I’d even settle for an elite offensive guard. I’d prefer another position, but an elite person on the o-line wouldn’t be horrible. 
 

It’s going to be an interesting offseason. Now that things are getting tight, I’m curious to see how Beane handles things and which direction we go. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Tanoros said:

Agree, for us to have two #1’s we are going to have to draft and develop for the second. We need contributors on rookies salaries in order to afford everything. As much as I’d love a second #1 wr, more than anything I just want another elite player on the offensive side of the ball. We have Allen and Diggs which is great, but we need one more atleast. With this upcoming draft, I feel like we need to land someone early who can be a major contributor on offense with the ceiling to be elite. 
 

I’d even settle for an elite offensive guard. I’d prefer another position, but an elite person on the o-line wouldn’t be horrible. 
 

It’s going to be an interesting offseason. Now that things are getting tight, I’m curious to see how Beane handles things and which direction we go. 

That’s why I had no problem with them taking cook in the second round of this last draft he fits everything the bills do and has breaking game speed

Edited December 29, 2022 by John from Riverside

[NewEra]

If we want a stud WR opposite Diggs, it’s going to have to happen via the draft imo.  No way we pay another FA WR big money.  I don’t think there is even one legit WR2, available via FA this year, let alone WR1b.  Maybe a handful of WR3s.  Lots of WR4-6

 

Sign a vet or 2 to low gtd prove it deals and draft one in rd 1 or 2 imo.  

[Fleezoid]

I'm sorry, but this has a Capt Obvious ring to it. What team wouldn't want a dual threat WR set. I'd actually love to have a triple threat WR set. Those just aren't easy to manufacture.

[Nextmanup]

40 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Fix. The. O-line.

...right after we get a proven #2 WR first.

 

It should be top priority;  Completely overhauling the O Line should be Top Priority #2.

 

So we will probably draft d-linemen!

 

 

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

41 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Has this concept demonstrated success? IMO, the answer is yes.
 

Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers, 2020-2021 Chiefs (if you include Kelsey), Eagles and Buccaneers all have or had multiple top 30 pass catchers and have demonstrated significant success under this elite dual threat concept.

 

The 2023 WR draft class is not looking all that deep and the FA market looks very weak.    Considering this, would OBD subscribe to this concept and be comfortable trading away a #1 or #2 pick and spending a huge chunk of cap space on another WR?  If so, who would you target? If not where should we allocate the picks and available cap?

 

A quick look at the salaries of top WR’s playing on bad teams leads me to believe Deandre Hopkins (30) and Mike Evans (29) / (if Brady retires) might be available. 

 

These teams you mention with two top WR's for the most part drafted at least one of them and then may traded for the second.  Bills have already done that with Diggs so as others have said time to draft and develop the 2nd one.  Most of those teams too Miami and Bengals for certain, will be interesting to see what they do when those rookie contracts end, will they be able to sign them all?  Maybe Miami can as they don't also have the big $$ QB at least not yet and doubt Tua will be become one of them either.

[Charles Romes]

Time for big game Gabe to play as a 1

[The Frankish Reich]

Yes, it has demonstrated success for about half a century.

- Lynn Swann and John Stallworth (Steelers dynasty)

- Fred Biletnikoff and Cliff Branch (peak Raiders)

- Jerry Rice and John Taylor (49ers dynasty)

- Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt (Greatest Show on Turf Rams SB winners)

 

Ahh, to be young ...

[whorlnut]

34 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

I'm sorry, but this has a Capt Obvious ring to it. What team wouldn't want a dual threat WR set. I'd actually love to have a triple threat WR set. Those just aren't easy to manufacture.

Maybe not, but that hasn’t stopped Beane from trying to do that with DEs. 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Has this concept demonstrated success? IMO, the answer is yes.
 

Dolphins, Bengals, Chargers, 2020-2021 Chiefs (if you include Kelsey), Eagles and Buccaneers all have or had multiple top 30 pass catchers and have demonstrated significant success under this elite dual threat concept.

 

The “concept” of having two top-flight wideouts, as opposed to one or none, is a good one, yes. 

[TheWeatherMan]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Fix. The. O-line.

Agree, but how many of the aforementioned teams have a superior oline?   Can a top flight group of receivers and a future HOF QB nullify the need for a top notch oline?  

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are not going to have money to sign a big name free agent anyway could be the reason why they were hoping for Gabe Davis to be able to step up and take that number to roll

This has been proven false many times.  Some one correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand the Bills can free up $50M + with restructures next year. 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, Fleezoid said:

I'm sorry, but this has a Capt Obvious ring to it. What team wouldn't want a dual threat WR set. I'd actually love to have a triple threat WR set. Those just aren't easy to manufacture.

Maybe a team without a franchise QB?  The last 3 teams to win the SB had top notch receivers and well above average QBs.  

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yes, it has demonstrated success for about half a century.

- Lynn Swann and John Stallworth (Steelers dynasty)

- Fred Biletnikoff and Cliff Branch (peak Raiders)

- Jerry Rice and John Taylor (49ers dynasty)

- Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt (Greatest Show on Turf Rams SB winners)

 

Ahh, to be young ...

That’s 4 teams over the last 35 years.  The 90’s Cowboys Dynasty and The Patriots Dynasty did not have dual top 30 WR’s

[KDIGGZ]

Step 1: get 2 amazing WR's

Step 2: pay 2 amazing WR's

 

Uhhhh most teams can't even do step 1 and good luck with step 2. Did you see how much Diggs and Hill and Adams signed for?

 

 

Also the Chiefs have 0 #1 WR's and they seem to be doing fine. Their best receiver is their TE

[CEN-CAL17]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Fix. The. O-line.

This will never be the main focus on offense, not with JA17….

 

He has great ability to extend plays. Best in the league probably. That said you get him solid/good Oline play and put big time weapon’s around him.

 

Id say the need for a 1b WR is a big need. Allows Diggs to play more slot (big need this offseason is the slot). Diggs plays more in slot. And yes JA17 gets another playmaker.  Gabe Davis isn’t that 1b type… not even a great #2 this year.

 

Fans want the 2015 Cowboys Oline. Why? So JA17 can sit in the pocket 2 seconds longer? His biggest plays usually come outside the pocket. Get him the next Diggs, to play with Diggs!

[Chicken Boo]

I love it.  If you aren't going to spend the necessary capital on the RB position or don't believe it to be of importance, then the receiving corps should be the absolute best that it can be.

 

I've never understood the thought of "we need a #2 or #3 WR".  No!  We need the best talent that can be acquired.  Let the chips fall where they may after that.

 

We need game breakers on the offensive side of the ball not named Josh Allen.

[co_springs_billsfan]

[Chicken Boo]

16 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

That’s 4 teams over the last 35 years.  The 90’s Cowboys Dynasty and The Patriots Dynasty did not have dual top 30 WR’s

 

To be fair, the 90s Cowboys were centered around that beastly o-line and Emmitt Smith.  They didn't really need another #1 opposite Irvin, even though they had a young Jimmy Smith yet to his stride.  

 

The Bucs were left off that list as well (Evans, Godwin, Brown)

 

The crux is, with the Bills current brand of football, the "top flight WR corps" route would be most beneficial.