WIDE LEFT Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 As demonstrated by Bill Belichick and Leslie Frazier. Pats, in two successive games, completely shut down Zach Wilson, so completely that he has been benched. When Wilson played against the Bills, he looked like a real NFL QB. For one of the very few times in his career. 2 2 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 This is correct. Seems like some sort of dig at Frazier... he's done this plenty of times to opposing QBs as well. Our issue against the Jets wasn't stopping Wilson... he threw for 154 yards. It was the two horrible turnovers by Josh and the inability to stop the run. 3 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Coaches, as well as players, have good as well as bad games. Since Frazier's been here, we've had far more good than bad. Given all the hospital time, bandages and pain shots the D has been through this year, Frazier is doing pretty well. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Great post. Belichick has basically been Josh Allen's bi*** for two years. I love his scheme. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Wilson threw for 150 yards and zero TD's against the Bills. By any one else's standards, that is being shut down. He has had plenty of games like that this year, btw. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, WIDE LEFT said: As demonstrated by Bill Belichick and Leslie Frazier. Pats, in two successive games, completely shut down Zach Wilson, so completely that he has been benched. When Wilson played against the Bills, he looked like a real NFL QB. For one of the very few times in his career. bolded BA HA HA HA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Apparently our defense being one of the best in the league under Frazier’s time here has been a mirage. Or did people really think our defense would hold up the entire year with rookie CBs, no Hyde and an injured Poyer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIDE LEFT Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 I recall Frazier’s scheme could not protect a lead with 13 seconds v KC. His “scheme” included protecting the sideline despite the fact KC still had 3 timeouts. Travis Kielce tells Mahomes that the way the Bills are playing their D scheme, he will be wide open down the middle. And he was. This player saw it, our D coordinator somehow did not. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, WIDE LEFT said: As demonstrated by Bill Belichick and Leslie Frazier. Pats, in two successive games, completely shut down Zach Wilson, so completely that he has been benched. When Wilson played against the Bills, he looked like a real NFL QB. For one of the very few times in his career. You realize the Bills have held opposing QBs to under 200 yards passing over half the time in the last 2.5 seasons right? Wilson had 154 yards against us. A few nice throws but most of them were basically 1 to 3 step drops and throw quickly to guys near the LOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 It's not like Wilson threw for 300 yards, 4 TDs against Buffalo. It was 18 of 25 for 154, 1 TD. The NY Jets run game went 34 for 174, 1 TD. The Bills defense also held them to 20 points. I'm not entirely happy with Frazier either...but man, those injuries! Look at the difference those star players make on the team, Poyer, Milano, Edmunds. Did I mention Poyer? The Bills offense hit a slump with Josh under tremendous pressure all game, 5 sacks. Josh also threw 2 INTs, ran for 2 TDs. It reminds me of last seasons Jacksonville game in which Josh Allen under constant duress the entire game and the Buffalo OC has no answer or plan B other than to keep having the QB throw. 12 rushes by the Bills RBs in that game might be a reason as to why that happened. The Bills showed they can run now with 33 attempts for 171 yards rushing against Cleveland. Let's hope they keep that up the rest of the year and limit the pressure on the QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 I'm old enough to remember when Mike White was the rage, and beat Cincinnati and a few other teams.. Then while he was white hot Mike White the Bills went into Met Life and crushed him. After that he went back the bench. So credit to Leslie,,, and they made Zach Wilson look pretty bad last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: The Bills showed they can run now with 33 attempts for 171 yards rushing against Cleveland. Let's hope they keep that up the rest of the year and limit the pressure on the QB. They showed they can run against Cleveland, one of the worst run Ds in the NFL. They got away from the run against the Jets because it was going nowhere. I have more sympathy with the argument that they abandoned the run too early against the Vikings. The run game actually worked really nicely in the 1st half of that game and sure, the Vikes made adjustments at halftime, but ultimately it felt like we never made any concerted effort to get it going second half after they stuffed a couple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 1 hour ago, WIDE LEFT said: As demonstrated by Bill Belichick and Leslie Frazier. Pats, in two successive games, completely shut down Zach Wilson, so completely that he has been benched. When Wilson played against the Bills, he looked like a real NFL QB. For one of the very few times in his career. Don't leave us hanging. If you were "King of the Forest" what would your answer be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 "Scheme & Coaching matter" * I thought he went to the Giants with Daboll. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They showed they can run against Cleveland, one of the worst run Ds in the NFL. They got away from the run against the Jets because it was going nowhere. I have more sympathy with the argument that they abandoned the run too early against the Vikings. The run game actually worked really nicely in the 1st half of that game and sure, the Vikes made adjustments at halftime, but ultimately it felt like we never made any concerted effort to get it going second half after they stuffed a couple. Yea the Vikings adjusted. They were using the CBs to set the edge in the 1st half and then switched to LBs covering the edge and practically invited on runs up the middle. Watching the Bills attempt to run up the middle against a soft box in the 2nd half, and this isn't exagerating, was pathetic. Now, maybe it was the design of the runs up the middle and running out of the shot gun but it was awful against those light boxes. I'm just not convienced the Bills can effectively run the ball, even with recent "success" against the worst run defense in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said: As demonstrated by Bill Belichick and Leslie Frazier. Pats, in two successive games, completely shut down Zach Wilson, so completely that he has been benched. When Wilson played against the Bills, he looked like a real NFL QB. For one of the very few times in his career. My guess is no Milano and no Poyer spell disaster for Frazier and his scheme. Hard to bring pressure when you have 2 players out of back 7 starters to work with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said: As demonstrated by Bill Belichick and Leslie Frazier. Pats, in two successive games, completely shut down Zach Wilson, so completely that he has been benched. When Wilson played against the Bills, he looked like a real NFL QB. For one of the very few times in his career. This has been my argument here the last few years in terms of why I hate this defensive scheme and not fooled by the top 5 overall rankings each year. Too many times in recent years this defense has let both subpar and elite NFL starting QB's rip them to shreds even when mostly healthy. And it's at the point where opposing teams and coaching staffs are begging for multiple 3rd/4th and long plays against this unit because they seem to be easier to convert than a 3rd/4th and short play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, WIDE LEFT said: As demonstrated by Bill Belichick and Leslie Frazier. Pats, in two successive games, completely shut down Zach Wilson, so completely that he has been benched. When Wilson played against the Bills, he looked like a real NFL QB. For one of the very few times in his career. Our defense is absolutely decimated by injuries…all the jets did was pick on our backup lbs. even so he only threw for 150 yards zach Wilson threw for 355 the first matchup with the pats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Yea the Vikings adjusted. They were using the CBs to set the edge in the 1st half and then switched to LBs covering the edge and practically invited on runs up the middle. Watching the Bills attempt to run up the middle against a soft box in the 2nd half, and this isn't exagerating, was pathetic. Now, maybe it was the design of the runs up the middle and running out of the shot gun but it was awful against those light boxes. I'm just not convienced the Bills can effectively run the ball, even with recent "success" against the worst run defense in the league. Yea agree with all of that, albeit I think the point that they basically tried one style of run game (as you said, up the middle from the shotgun) it didn't work and they abandoned it even with a big lead rather than seeing if they could find another way to get a bit of a run game going was a mistake. And I am not, as a rule, someone who stands here pounding the table for running game. But they got away from it too quickly vs Minnesota IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: This has been my argument here the last few years in terms of why I hate this defensive scheme and not fooled by the top 5 overall rankings each year. Too many times in recent years this defense has let both subpar and elite NFL starting QB's rip them to shreds even when mostly healthy. And it's at the point where opposing teams and coaching staffs are begging for multiple 3rd/4th and long plays against this unit because they seem to be easier to convert than a 3rd/4th and short play. You can say the same thing about the pats defense though…arguably the best qb they’ve seen in the last 5 weeks is brissett. they’ve faced: brissett fields wilson ehlinger wilson throw in a game against the Steelers earlier in the season too Packers scored 27 on them, Lamar and fields torched them. Tua had a good game against them. They are beating up on awful offenses mostly. the shutout against Detroit is nice but belichick has had goffs number his whole career pretty much so I’m not sure how much that defensive effort applies to other teams even if you want to go back to last year you can say the same thing about the pats defense that you’re saying about the bills. They beat up on bottom feeders on the easy afc east schedule and then got absolutely smoked by the playoff caliber afc teams down the stretch id argue the pats scheme is even more likely to beat up on bad teams and struggle against good ones Edited November 23, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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