Josh Allen - Psychology - Coaching

[SCBills]

I’m going to say it .. Josh Allen needs something more, or for someone to give him something more, in terms of a steadying presence on the field.  
 

It doesn’t seem Dorsey, Keenum, Brady can do that.. yet. 
 

He refuses to take what is given.  
 

He is a “momentum player” right now.  You can see it in his eyes .. whenever he makes a big play, or consecutive big plays, he .. and the playcalling allowing him to do this .. goes dagger mode.  Killshot engage, and he ignores everything else that’s happening in front of that.  
 

Teams will literally leave guys alone in the flat or on shallow routes.  They know where his heads at right now.  Especially when he gets that look.

 

Do y’all want to know how I know he needs someone to calm him tf down?…

 

HE PUNCHED THE BALL WITH HIS BAD ARM ON A TURNOVER

 

I could not even believe I witnessed that on the replay. 
 

What’s going on with him right now is mental .. and Daboll isn’t here to help him.  Somebody else needs to. 

[Einstein]

Yeah losing Daboll was massive.

 

Just from the steadying presence standpoint that Josh clearly needs and has always had.

[Beast]

Brady?

[SCBills]

Just now, Beast said:

Brady?

Joe Brady is the QB coach that is with him on the sideline.   A new hire in the off-season. 

[Beast]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Joe Brady is the QB coach that is with him on the sideline.   A new hire in the off-season. 

*****…why was I thinking of Barkley?

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Yeah losing Daboll was massive.

 

Just from the steadying presence standpoint that Josh clearly needs and has always had.

 

Daboll and Allen had a special relationship...he doesn't have that yet with Dorsey.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

I’m going to say it .. Josh Allen needs something more, or for someone to give him something more, in terms of a steadying presence on the field.  
 

It doesn’t seem Dorsey, Keenum, Brady can do that.. yet. 
 

He refuses to take what is given.  
 

He is a “momentum player” right now.  You can see it in his eyes .. whenever he makes a big play, or consecutive big plays, he .. and the playcalling allowing him to do this .. goes dagger mode.  Killshot engage, and he ignores everything else that’s happening in front of that.  
 

Teams will literally leave guys alone in the flat or on shallow routes.  They know where his heads at right now.  Especially when he gets that look.

 

Do y’all want to know how I know he needs someone to calm him tf down?…

 

HE PUNCHED THE BALL WITH HIS BAD ARM ON A TURNOVER

 

I could not even believe I witnessed that on the replay. 
 

What’s going on with him right now is mental .. and Daboll isn’t here to help him.  Somebody else needs to. 

Allen is more than just a quarterback. He’s a football player. He’s gonna put his body on the line every time no matter what the coaches tell him. That’s just the way he is a wired. A competitor through & through. You gotta take the good with the bad. He’s in a slump. It happens to all QBs. The season is still salvageable. I’m not gonna go nuts like half the posters here. Losing sucks and some changes need to be made, but the book is not closed on the 2022 season. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

Arm chair psychologist? C’mon, bad take. 11 man game and you put a whole game on one guy. 👎🏻

[BullBuchanan]

Josh refusing to take what's given is the player he's been his entire career. He may shift away from it for drives, quarters or games, but eventually it's what he reverts back to.

It's a large part of the reason he's as dynamic as a player as he is, but yes it will bite him from time to time. He needs to learn when that killer instinct is needed and when it isn't in order to reach his ceiling. If he does ever find that balance, we'll likely see a lot more boring games where he doesn't light up the scoreboard as he dinks and dunks safe balls, but we should win more overall.

That said, Josh's team and the coaching staff let him down today. Outside of Singletary's nice couple of runs, he was the only meaningful asset for us on the field today. Sometimes that's enough to win, but we're seeing more and more that it isn't high probability against competent teams. If Frazier doesn't call soft zone Hail Murray defenses every single time we have to make one long defensive stop to win, this game was over.

This is like the 7th goddamn time in recent memory this has happened, and pinning it on Josh is ridiculous.

 

Tom Brady in his prime isn't winning here the way this staff handles defense.

Edited November 14, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Allen is more than just a quarterback. He’s a football player. He’s gonna put his body on the line every time no matter what the coaches tell him. That’s just the way he is a wired. A competitor through & through. You gotta take the good with the bad. He’s in a slump. It happens to all QBs. The season is still salvageable. I’m not gonna go nuts like half the posters here. Losing sucks and some changes need to be made, but the book is not closed on the 2022 season. 

Nobody is saying that, but if you can’t get it through his head that his elbow is worth a quarter of a billion dollars and he means everything to the team, and in some ways, the city … then he’s clearly tuning people out and/or just not getting the message. 
 

Someone needs to be able to, at the very least, get that through his head. 

[thenorthremembers]

The coaching staff needs to do something to slow things down for Allen right now.   Not an excuse but the offensive line is bad, he rarely has a clean pocket to step up into and I think they pressure or even the illusion of pressure is getting to him.

 

Dorsey would be smart to get some bootlegs going and try some half field reads.    Something has to give.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

Arm chair psychologist? C’mon, bad take. 11 man game and you put a whole game on one guy. 👎🏻

Where did I do that?

 

Dorsey doesn’t have to go under center, high pressure sneak at the inch line.  
 

Cam Lewis doesn’t have to give up multiple game saving plays to Minnesota. 
 

Plenty of blame to go around. 
 

Just one loss, but our entire season rides on Allen getting right.   It seemed, for much of the game, that he snapped out of it.   Then we all saw what happened on the final throw… an inexplicable throw he’s made far too often in the past 10 quarters.  

[KeLLy1278]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Josh refusing to take what's given is the player he's been his entire career. He may shift away from it for drives, quarters or games, but eventually it's what he reverts back to.

It's a large part of the reason he's as dynamic as a player as he is, but yes it will bite him from time to time. He needs to learn when that killer instinct is needed and when it isn't in order to reach his ceiling. If he does ever find that balance, we'll likely see a lot more boring games where he doesn't light up the scoreboard as he dinks and dunks safe balls, but we should win more overall.

That said, Josh's team and the coaching staff let him down today. Outside of Singletary's nice couple of runs, he was the only meaningful asset for us on the field today. Sometimes that's enough to win, but we're seeing more and more that it isn't high probability against competent teams. If Frazier doesn't call soft zone Hail Murray defenses every single time we have to make one long defensive stop to win, this game was over.

 

Tom Brady in his prime isn't winning here the way this staff handles defense.

So we’re back to the Tom Brady comparisons now?  Call me crazy but can Josh make it to ONE damn Super Bowl?? We heap praise and list excuse after excuse as to why he threw a pick AND fumbled a snap on his own goal line that should have ended the game right there.  It’s mistake after mistake and it’s been happening for weeks.  He is routinely throwing to open CBs as if it is by design sometimes.  I can’t figure it out.  It’s starting to look like a mental issue.

[UKBillFan]

12 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Yeah losing Daboll was massive.

 

Just from the steadying presence standpoint that Josh clearly needs and has always had.

Josh went through a very similar slump last year WITH Daboll.

[TheCockSportif]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

Josh went through a very similar slump last year WITH Daboll.

He did go through a slump last year, but correct me if I'm wrong: it wasn't this ugly.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, KeLLy1278 said:

So we’re back to the Tom Brady comparisons now?  Call me crazy but can Josh make it to ONE damn Super Bowl?? We heap praise and list excuse after excuse as to why he threw a pick AND fumbled a snap on his own goal line that should have ended the game right there.  It’s mistake after mistake and it’s been happening for weeks.  He is routinely throwing to open CBs as if it is by design sometimes.  I can’t figure it out.  It’s starting to look like a mental issue.

Looks like the part about asking him to bail out the rest of the team and staff infinite times went over your head.

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Josh went through a very similar slump last year WITH Daboll.

 

It sure didn’t feel this hopeless.

[zow2]

Peterson said he knew from film study what Allen was gonna do on his game winning INT.  That sucked to hear. He knew the exact route Gabe was running.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, TheCockSportif said:

He did go through a slump last year, but correct me if I'm wrong: it wasn't this ugly.

What was ugly about Allen's game today? Until the last play he was 29/42, 69% (giggity), 1 TD- 1 INT 330 yards passing and 6 carries for 84 yards. That should be considered a very good game by anyone and he did all of that with a throwing arm injury.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, TheCockSportif said:

He did go through a slump last year, but correct me if I'm wrong: it wasn't this ugly.

The Colts and Jets covered eight quarters out of 12. He actually played better today overall than he did in either of those games. Then we had his performance against the Falcons, which closely reflected what happened last week and that was week seventeen.

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

He did go through a slump last year, but correct me if I'm wrong: it wasn't this ugly.

We hadn’t seen postseason unstoppable Josh Allen yet.  
 

It was pretty ugly, but we didn’t have the lofty expectations for him.  They were high.. like MVP high, but not unstoppable force high.  Same goes for the team. 
 

There were definitely games at this time last year where we all agreed Josh was losing us games with his off play. 
 

I don’t ever remember him literally throwing to opposing teams with frequency though.  There’s picks and then there’s picks.   Cousins throwing a high pick to Benford happens.   Cousins throwing directly to Dane Jackson doesn’t.   And Josh has done that like 3 games straight. 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by SCBills

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

It sure didn’t feel this hopeless.

It feels hopeless because the AFC East is stronger this year and our defense is on the midst of an injury crisis so cannot bail him out. In truth, Josh played better today than he did in his slump games in 2021.

[Steptide]

5 minutes ago, TheCockSportif said:

He did go through a slump last year, but correct me if I'm wrong: it wasn't this ugly.

Yes it was. Titans game, Colts game, bucs game, pats wind game etc. 

 

They'll get it corrected. I'd rather this happen now than with 3 weeks left in the season 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

Yes it was. Titans game, Colts game, bucs game, pats wind game etc. 

 

They'll get it corrected. I'd rather this happen now than with 3 weeks left in the season 

 

We won, but I remember Atlanta being pretty rough for Allen too. 
 

Also, the weather was horrible every home game last year. 

[TheCockSportif]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We hadn’t seen postseason unstoppable Josh Allen yet.  
 

It was pretty ugly, but we didn’t have the lofty expectations for him.  They were high.. like MVP high, but not unstoppable force high.  Same goes for the team. 
 

There were definitely games at this time last year where we all agreed Josh was losing us games with his off play. 
 

I don’t ever remember him literally throwing to opposing teams with frequency though.  There’s picks and then there’s picks.   Cousins throwing a high pick to Benford happens.   Cousins throwing directly to Dane Jackson doesn’t.   And Josh has done that like 3 games straight. 

 

It's the picks and the fumble in the EZ, so let's hope that it's rock bottom.

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

Yes it was. Titans game, Colts game, bucs game, pats wind game etc. 

 

They'll get it corrected. I'd rather this happen now than with 3 weeks left in the season 

The Bucs game is probably similar to today - one good half, one poor half, heartbreak in overtime. Chuck in a similarity to the Titans game in as far as the botched final play.

[TheCockSportif]

5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

The Colts and Jets covered eight quarters out of 12. He actually played better today overall than he did in either of those games. Then we had his performance against the Falcons, which closely reflected what happened last week and that was week seventeen.

He was certainly better today, even at not 100%.  But, bad picks, and the fumble.  Not good.

 

I think that JA17 is great, make no mistake.  But the only chance they have is if he gets it together.

[KeLLy1278]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Looks like the part about asking him to bail out the rest of the team and staff infinite times went over your head.

Yeah I can’t figure it out at all. 🙄

You think that the coaching staff is encouraging Allen to take hits from LBs and Safeties when he runs?  They promote the throws into double coverage when he has people running open in the flat too?  Allen is immune to criticism.. I see that now.  The poor throws, decisions and fumbles happened because he needs help?  Hard to help a QB when he has mental lapses and throws directly to the other team multiple times.

[Bubba Gump]

He's got a huge bank account, a big house and a hot girlfriend. What more does he need?

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

We won, but I remember Atlanta being pretty rough for Allen too. 
 

Also, the weather was horrible every home game last year. 

Last week was a re-run of the Falcons game - strong running, horrific passing.

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

What was ugly about Allen's game today? Until the last play he was 29/42, 69% (giggity), 1 TD- 1 INT 330 yards passing and 6 carries for 84 yards. That should be considered a very good game by anyone and he did all of that with a throwing arm injury.

I thought Allen was fantastic today.  If we finish off that drive, he’s back to MVP favorite and everyone is ball washing him for his performance in the game of the year. 
 

He didn’t though.  He made the fatal mistake that he’s been making for ten quarters now.   Not being patient, hyper-aggressive, and end result being not just a pick … but a pick that has you dumbfounded as to what he was even looking at. 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, TheCockSportif said:

He was certainly better today, even at not 100%.  But, bad picks, and the fumble.  Not good.

 

I think that JA17 is great, make no mistake.  But the only chance they have is if he gets it together.

I agree. I’m just pointing out that, even with those individual errors, he was far better today than in the slump games last year.

[ALLinALLEN]

1 minute ago, Bubba Gump said:

He's got a huge bank account, a big house and a hot girlfriend. What more does he need?

dont forget about the Gillette commercial too /s

[Victory Formation]

I can’t imagine being Allen and having people worship him likes he’s some god or something, it’s weird.

 

One second he’s some unknown QB from Firebaugh, the next second he’s the top story on every major News outlet. That’s enough to screw with anyones head. I can’t imagine.

 

I think Allen’s problem is that there’s a lot of pressure on him, he’s THE guy and he knows it. The best thing McD and co can do is to build a stellar team around him to lessen the load.

[TheCockSportif]

6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

What was ugly about Allen's game today? Until the last play he was 29/42, 69% (giggity), 1 TD- 1 INT 330 yards passing and 6 carries for 84 yards. That should be considered a very good game by anyone and he did all of that with a throwing arm injury.

Bad picks and the fumble.  Oh, and not throwing to wide open guys to keep the play running; I think that Allen is great, don't get me wrong, but sometimes you have to take what the game gives you.  Doing so doesn't make him Trent Edwards, not by a long shot.

 

Lots of other blame to go around.  Giving up 3rd and longs on defense, questionable play calling on O, not taking the FG, and so on.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, KeLLy1278 said:

Yeah I can’t figure it out at all. 🙄

You think that the coaching staff is encouraging Allen to take hits from LBs and Safeties when he runs?  They promote the throws into double coverage when he has people running open in the flat too?  Allen is immune to criticism.. I see that now.  The poor throws, decisions and fumbles happened because he needs help?  Hard to help a QB when he has mental lapses and throws directly to the other team multiple times.

I gave you two shots and you're still fixated on the completely wrong thing. Allen did everything he needed to do to win today and then his defense cost him the game and he took them to overtime anyway.

[Matt_In_NH]

28 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He refuses to take what is given.  

For me this sums it up.  He is a gunslinger and needs to know when to back off those instincts.  At times he does but recently he has been reckless

[KeLLy1278]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

What was ugly about Allen's game today? Until the last play he was 29/42, 69% (giggity), 1 TD- 1 INT 330 yards passing and 6 carries for 84 yards. That should be considered a very good game by anyone and he did all of that with a throwing arm injury.

He’s also thrown 4 ints in the red zone in his last two games.  Throw in a fumble at his own goal line that was recovered by the Vikings for a TD at the end of the 4th QTR today.  

[Bubba Gump]

1 minute ago, ALLinALLEN said:

dont forget about the Gillette commercial too /s

 

I think it's awesome that he is the spokesman for a company that supports the Patriots and owns the stadium name rights.

[TheCockSportif]

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We hadn’t seen postseason unstoppable Josh Allen yet.  
 

It was pretty ugly, but we didn’t have the lofty expectations for him.  They were high.. like MVP high, but not unstoppable force high.  Same goes for the team. 
 

There were definitely games at this time last year where we all agreed Josh was losing us games with his off play. 
 

I don’t ever remember him literally throwing to opposing teams with frequency though.  There’s picks and then there’s picks.   Cousins throwing a high pick to Benford happens.   Cousins throwing directly to Dane Jackson doesn’t.   And Josh has done that like 3 games straight. 

 

Forgot to add earlier: the AFCE is pretty competitive thus far this year, and that wasn't the case last year.