Is There So Little Love for Tremaine Edmunds?

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

Roquan Smith had a terrible day against pollard and Dallas. 
Devin white had a horrible game against Baltimore 

Bobby Wagner got gashed run and pass in San Fran. 
It happens. 
As mentioned earlier the D line didn’t exactly do their jobs either. 

 

Many players were not tackling well with Packers RB. Don't understand why people just place it on one player Edmunds.

 

Thanks for post and understand other LB for other teams didn't do well.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

10 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Sometimes I wonder if I watch the same games as Tremaine Edmunds fans..

 

I saw a guy who was getting eat up by blocks, picking the wrong gaps all Game, and getting run over by Aj Dillon .

 

Sure he made 16 tackles, but how many were those 6-10’yards downfield?

 

Now I will say Edmunds has had a pretty good year to date.

 

But I don’t see how he had a good game yesterday as I thought he was borderline horrible.

You saw what most of us saw. It was his worst game of the season. He was the worst defender on the field until Poyer left and was replaced by Johnson. He was out of position most of the night. He really looked lost defending the run.  Where Milano and other great linebackers shoot gaps and get underneath blocks, Edmunds can’t disengage from his blocker. He had a couple of ok plays on underneath passes where he made the tackle with no YAC.
I agreed with picking up his option. If this is his worst game of the year and he rebounds back to how he played earlier then I’d be fine with an extension. I won’t shed a tear getting a 3 round comp pick for him either.

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Roquan Smith had a terrible day against pollard and Dallas. 
Devin white had a horrible game against Baltimore 

Bobby Wagner got gashed run and pass in San Fran. 
It happens. 
As mentioned earlier the D line didn’t exactly do their jobs either. 

oh Agreed.

 

And like I said, I think Edmunds has had a pretty good year to date. 
 

But I just don’t see how he had a good game at all yesterday 
 

 

10 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

So I asked this yesterday and wasn’t getting responses-this is not a pro Edmunds post, but you’re putting a lot of blame on Edmunds but made no mention of how terrible the defensive line played against the run. There were plays where Jones literally had multiple holes to choose from-how is Edmunds supposed to defend that? 
 

this wasn’t his best game, but to only blame him isn’t right

It’s definitely not only his fault no. I wasn’t saying that.

 

But he is allowed to shed a block the odd time and actually make a play lol

[Success]

26 minutes ago, Virgil said:

You forgot the 5 yard piggy back ride he gave the Packers player 

 

Every player has rough moments. The important question is - is that a consistent thing, or anomaly?

 

I remember Brian Urlacher getting bowled over on a play.  He just had bad position to make the tackle. It happens in a fast-moving game.

 

Edmunds has been one of our most impactful defenders. His play has been outstanding this season.  He's playing up to his draft position, but I do feel like once a player becomes one of "those guys" for the fanbase, it's hard to really turn the perception around.

[Toyo321]

He is gone next year.  There is too much money that needs to be paid to other players for next year.  I can't see him getting what they paid Milano.  They will goto the Draft in 2023 for his replacement unless he is bundled up in a trade. 

 

Trenton Simpson out of Clemson would be a great pickup if available in the draft.  But doubtful he will be there that late when we pick.

[bobobonators]

53 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I looked but didn't see a Tremaine Edmunds thread.  Well, one that was locked.

 

I was at the game and have had the benefit of no real discussion of the game.  All I knew at the game was that every time I looked, Edmunds was making another tackle.  Not always picture book, but he wasn't missing many.  And his tackles generally were near the line of scrimmage.   And he had a pass break up that nearly was intercepted. 

 

What is interesting about Edmunds this season is that he's making good stops in the run game, because he isn't being blocked.  The D line, I think, is making it tough for offensive linemen to get to the linebacker level, and Edmunds is able to read and react.  He's been a sure tackler, and his pas coverage last night also seemed solid.   Milano makes more spectacular plays, but I think Edmunds may have had more impact on the defense.

 

He's not Roquan Smith; he's not plugging gaps and making a bunch of tackles that way.   He really is protecting the whole field, laterally.  His job is make sure that the Bills bend but don't break.  

 

16 tackles is nothing to sneer at, even if it happened because the Packers featured the run.  Yes, the Packers had a lot of statistical success running the ball, but the Bills are willing to give them that success.   I know that sounds stupid, and McDermott would never say it, but let's face it:   This team is built to say the opponent, "We're going to put up 28 or more - we challenge you to match it."   Their defensive style very much is, "If you're going to move the ball, you're going to do it only with long, sustained drives.  If you can do that, you'll get some scores against us, but we don't think you can do that and get to 28."   And that is exactly what happened last night.   The way that kind of defensive philosophy succeeds is that you make a lot tackles (notice that the Bills often lose time of possession and often have fewer plays than the opponent, which means the Bills are making a lot tackles).  Last night, those tackles came to Edmunds.   

 

I don't know what I missed about his performance, and I'll be happy to hear what others thought.  

 

Well said. I like Edmunds. This defense is built to beat the Chiefs, and Edmunds is a necessary cog. 
 

Milano is more of a playmaker. There are few LB duos better than Edmunds/Milano

[Dablitzkrieg]

4 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

He is gone next year.  There is too much money that needs to be paid to other players for next year.  I can't see him getting what they paid Milano.  They will goto the Draft in 2023 for his replacement unless he is bundled up in a trade. 

 

Trenton Simpson out of Clemson would be a great pickup if available in the draft.  But doubtful he will be there that late when we pick.

He will be back

[hondo in seattle]

37 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

But his job is to make those tackles.   That's my point.   It's not to make tackles for loss.   In fact, his presence is what allows Milano get TFLs.   

 

He's doing his job, and 16 tackles says he's not missing a lot.  

 

Plus he's being more physical, and he's covering a big zone in the pass defense.   

 

I actually agree with you, Shaw.  I just can't do it with any enthusiasm given how much space their RBs had to run through.  

[RyanC883]

11 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Every player has rough moments. The important question is - is that a consistent thing, or anomaly?

 

I remember Brian Urlacher getting bowled over on a play.  He just had bad position to make the tackle. It happens in a fast-moving game.

 

Edmunds has been one of our most impactful defenders. His play has been outstanding this season.  He's playing up to his draft position, but I do feel like once a player becomes one of "those guys" for the fanbase, it's hard to really turn the perception around.

 

the problem is that Edmunds does not make big plays consistently.  He was awful yesterday, but has been above average (not elite) all year.  Just can’t afford to keep that around.  

[QCity]

13 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

You saw what most of us saw. It was his worst game of the season. He was the worst defender on the field until Poyer left and was replaced by Johnson. He was out of position most of the night. He really looked lost defending the run.  Where Milano and other great linebackers shoot gaps and get underneath blocks, Edmunds can’t disengage from his blocker. He had a couple of ok plays on underneath passes where he made the tackle with no YAC.
I agreed with picking up his option. If this is his worst game of the year and he rebounds back to how he played earlier then I’d be fine with an extension. I won’t shed a tear getting a 3 round comp pick for him either.

 

Pretty much this. There's a lot of games this year where you could point to Edmunds and say he played great. This wasn't one of them.

[LABILLBACKER]

30 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said:

He's a safety playing LB.    

That's exactly how I feel. He's a tall dime coverage strong safely. And he always has been. Above avg. in coverage and great at deflections. He's not going to ever give you TFL's, fumble recoveries or INT's. And the majority of his tackles will be 5+ yards downfield. He's like a soccer midfielder,  roaming his territory.  Doing what he's told. I've always been on the "not a fan" side of 49's play but I can see why he has his followers. 

[Lost]

I don't think we should be singing praise to our LBers when they were giving up 7 yards per run.   Hell even Aaron Rodgers had arguably a better passing game statistically than Allen did last night.  

[Success]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

the problem is that Edmunds does not make big plays consistently.  He was awful yesterday, but has been above average (not elite) all year.  Just can’t afford to keep that around.  

 

I don't necessarily disagree in terms of keeping him here.  We're getting to that point of talent on the team where Beane has to make some difficult decisions about who stays & who goes.  Someone will likely overpay Edmunds, and we have other players who should be bigger priorities.

 

I just appreciate what he has brought to the team, and I love the combo of him w/ Milano.  I think he has a ton of talent and his effort is always there.  He's still pretty young - it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he went to another team and we saw posts on here about how great he was playing somewhere else.

[Shaw66]

I'd love to know what Frazier and McDermott think.  

 

We'll know in the next few months.  

[klos63]

49 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Sometimes I wonder if I watch the same games as Tremaine Edmunds fans..

 

I saw a guy who was getting eat up by blocks, picking the wrong gaps all Game, and getting run over by Aj Dillon .

 

Sure he made 16 tackles, but how many were those 6-10’yards downfield?

 

Now I will say Edmunds has had a pretty good year to date.

 

But I don’t see how he had a good game yesterday as I thought he was borderline horrible.

Did you think the Dline gave him the help he needed to make tackles closer to the line of scrimmage. Looks like our dline was getting manhandled and Jones was at full speed by the time he passed the line.

[PrimeTime101]

HA another Edmunds thread. last one went what 60 pages?  Wonder how many pages this one will make?

[US Egg]

Unlike Frosted Flakes, Edmunds is good, not great.

 

Hence, replaceable.

[Richard Noggin]

Has anyone cited the 1st defensive drive of the Packers game? Edwards made the first 3 or 4 tackles, solo, I think? He ran down 2 sideline RB passes and maybe stopped someone else in the middle of the field? I was at the game, so details and chronologies are easily mixed up. My memory is that he really displayed his range and improved tackling physicality on that drive, which is something we've seen a LOT more of this season (finally). 

 

Never been a big fan of his production, but you can't deny his greatly improved play this year. Naturally that's likely due in part to improved DT play in front of him (until the 2nd half of yesterday's game). Even Ray Lewis admitted during his career that DTs keeping him clean was essential to his performance (at some point in his career, I recall Lewis was critical of the Ravens shifting to a smaller, penetrating 1-gap DL approach). 

[mrags]

You are watching a different game than I am that’s for sure. I wouldn’t say he’s trash, be he’s definitely not good. Him putting up stats and calling him good is like calling Kirk Cousins good because he puts up stats. It’s just not true. Cousins is the weak link on Minnesota just like Edmunds is with our D. 
 

Sure, he’s good enough to put up stats. He’s good enough to always be in on the tackle. Unfortunately about 5 yards downfield. After the play already gained positive yards and first downs. 
 

he’s not worth what they will need to pay him to keep him long term and that’s a fact. Players that deserve that much should be playmakers. Splash playmakers. And he’s just not that. 

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Edmunds was always making tackles...   6.7 yards downfield.

 

I'm not being anti-Edwards.  I probably appreciate him more than most Bills fans.  But it's hard to give props to any LB when our defense was gashed for over 200 yards rushing at nearly 7 yards a pop.  

 

But, yeah, this defense was built primarily to stop the pass (despite our gaudy rush d ranking pre-Packers).  We line up in a nickel defense 90% of the time and our LBs are better at pass d than run d.  

 

 

Cover1 had a stat today. Know how many defenders we had in the box in the first half on average? 

 

6.0.

 

In the second half, 6.1.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v_vxCQwqZk1fE

 

It's at 0:0:30

 

When your D is running six man boxes, you're not going to have a lot of success stopping the run. But after the gain, the clock is still going tick-tick-tick-tick-tick. 

 

Frazier was saying, "Hey, go ahead, run it. G'ahead, keep it out of Rodgers' hands."

 

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by Thurman#1