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On 10/27/2022 at 9:14 AM, Wayne Cubed said:

 

I'd say that  angle is no where near indicitive of how much the roof covers.
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You can see the lower seating in that image and how much of the seating is actually covered. 


In looking at it again, the new stadium roof design does not look like it covers near as much as this pic of Tottenham or Allianz Munich. 
 

Either it’s the angle of the design pic they released or my other thought is, they had to angle the roof much more sharply for snow load and thus could only extend it so far over seats.  Tottenham and Allianz roofs are much more flat than concept drawings (and appear to cover much more seating than our concept).
 

Saw somewhere that the architects/design firm say 65% of seating will be covered. 

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19 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s the general exterior shape clad in a glass/metal panels with undulating openings. And the general interior shape featuring the steep rake of the seats and high pitched overhang halo at the top. Both are very similar to Tottenham. I’m guessing that from this point forward in the development of the design that the architects are going to work like crazy to make sure they look less similar. It’s what we do. 

I get the building material similarities and I pointed out the roof overhang previously, but everything else you mentioned is generic to many stadiums already. 

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6 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I get the building material similarities and I pointed out the roof overhang previously, but everything else you mentioned is generic to many stadiums already. 

No argument there. That’s what makes stadium design so challenging. The architects have to work really hard to make the facilities look different, given that there are so many things that are by the nature of the facility going to be similar.

 

Remember, my critique says nothing about whether the Bills stadium is what most people would say is nice looking or not. My comments come strictly from the point of view of an architect. I’d be shocked if Populous didn’t actually try and talk the Bills out of having it look at all similar to one of their more recent designs. Again, it’s what we do. 

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9 minutes ago, Bockeye said:


In looking at it again, the new stadium roof design does not look like it covers near as much as this pic of Tottenham or Allianz Munich. 
 

Either it’s the angle of the design pic they released or my other thought is, they had to angle the roof much more sharply for snow load and thus could only extend it so far over seats.  Tottenham and Allianz roofs are much more flat than concept drawings (and appear to cover much more seating than our concept).
 

Saw somewhere that the architects/design firm say 65% of seating will be covered. 

It "covers" everything but the lower bowl. And "cover" is a loose term for many of those seats. If you draw a line straight down from the overhang and consider anything on the outside of that line as "covered" then yeah, I see 65%. Lower bowl is 35%, I guess that seems right.

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19 minutes ago, Bockeye said:


In looking at it again, the new stadium roof design does not look like it covers near as much as this pic of Tottenham or Allianz Munich. 
 

Either it’s the angle of the design pic they released or my other thought is, they had to angle the roof much more sharply for snow load and thus could only extend it so far over seats.  Tottenham and Allianz roofs are much more flat than concept drawings (and appear to cover much more seating than our concept).
 

Saw somewhere that the architects/design firm say 65% of seating will be covered. 

It’s the angle somewhat but Hotspur stadium has added glass for more coverage. Hopefully this is something the Bills do as well.

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2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’ve tried to look up how much the Hotspur stadium canopy covers. This angle looks similar to the Bills rendering. There is additional glass added to the canopy for more coverage. I think the Bills could do something similar.

 

 

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Renderings are often deceiving because of the perspective. Just go on Google Earth and look straight down from the satellite. You’ll see that virtually all of the seats are covered in European soccer stadiums, especially in England where it rains a lot during their season. 

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Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’ve tried to look up how much the Hotspur stadium canopy covers. This angle looks similar to the Bills rendering. There is additional glass added to the canopy for more coverage. I think the Bills could do something similar.

 

 

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I would think so, too. If structural soundness is in question, how much more would it be to have an extra overhang that can slide out? Would be a cool feature. If it's gonna snow, leave it in. If it's nice weather or just rain, slide it out for extra coverage. Based on the 65% comments though, it seems to be not in the conversation at this point. Probably too much extra money and not worth it.

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6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

No argument there. That’s what makes stadium design so challenging. The architects have to work really hard to make the facilities look different, given that there are so many things that are by the nature of the facility going to be similar.

 

Remember, my critique says nothing about whether the Bills stadium is what most people would say is nice looking or not. My comments come strictly from the point of view of an architect. I’d be shocked if Populous didn’t actually try and talk the Bills out of having it look at all similar to one of their more recent designs. Again, it’s what we do. 

I agree there’s only so much that can be done when designing for specific dimensions and uses like a football stadium. It’s too bad that ours can’t be in an urban setting because I think there are more aesthetic possibilities vs building in a barren field. What would you, as an architect, do to differentiate football stadiums? 

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Just now, K-9 said:

I agree there’s only so much that can be done when designing for specific dimensions and uses like a football stadium. It’s too bad that ours can’t be in an urban setting because I think there are more aesthetic possibilities vs building in a barren field. What would you, as an architect, do to differentiate football stadiums? 

Excellent question. The answers are all around you. Would you say that Dallas, Minnesota, Los Angeles, London, all look the same? They do not. The architects went to great lengths to make sure that they don’t…..and it’s NOT about cost. 
 

The same is true with more recent outdoor stadiums like San Francisco, Seattle, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Miami and others. 
 

Again this not about ugly or beautiful in the traditional (layman’s) sense of the word. It’s about making a place that uniquely unique…..if that makes sense. And I’m sure Poplulous will bring a lot of that into the final development. They are VERY talented.

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10 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I agree there’s only so much that can be done when designing for specific dimensions and uses like a football stadium. It’s too bad that ours can’t be in an urban setting because I think there are more aesthetic possibilities vs building in a barren field. What would you, as an architect, do to differentiate football stadiums? 

Some art deco detail, if done right, could be very cool and representative of Buffalo architecture. The rendering already features a brick facade and some details reminiscent of buildings like Buffalo City Hall would fit in nicely.

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15 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I agree there’s only so much that can be done when designing for specific dimensions and uses like a football stadium. It’s too bad that ours can’t be in an urban setting because I think there are more aesthetic possibilities vs building in a barren field. What would you, as an architect, do to differentiate football stadiums? 

 

Yoooo, what if we made that sh*t a TRIANGLE instead of a circle or square!?  

🤯🤯🤯

 

Yeah, you can thank me later... :beer: 

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4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Some art deco detail, if done right, could be very cool and representative of Buffalo architecture. The rendering already features a brick facade and some details reminiscent of buildings like Buffalo City Hall would fit in nicely.

I do like the cobblestone facade and I hope they keep that. It’s a real tip of the hat to historic buffalo. 

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3 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

Yoooo, what if we made that sh*t a TRIANGLE instead of a circle or square!?  

🤯🤯🤯

 

Yeah, you can thank me later... :beer: 

A heptagonal prism seems like a no-brainer now. They done ***** up.

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I do like the cobblestone facade and I hope they keep that. It’s a real tip of the hat to historic buffalo. 

I'm sure they will, but they could go a little further to make it unique.

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56 minutes ago, Bockeye said:


In looking at it again, the new stadium roof design does not look like it covers near as much as this pic of Tottenham or Allianz Munich. 
 

Either it’s the angle of the design pic they released or my other thought is, they had to angle the roof much more sharply for snow load and thus could only extend it so far over seats.  Tottenham and Allianz roofs are much more flat than concept drawings (and appear to cover much more seating than our concept).
 

Saw somewhere that the architects/design firm say 65% of seating will be covered. 

 

I've been to a game @ Tottenham Stadium - sat 4 rows up from mid-field - the overhang covered our seats.

 

If the Bills stadium is anything remotely similar to Tottenham, I will be pleased.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I would think so, too. If structural soundness is in question, how much more would it be to have an extra overhang that can slide out? Would be a cool feature. If it's gonna snow, leave it in. If it's nice weather or just rain, slide it out for extra coverage. Based on the 65% comments though, it seems to be not in the conversation at this point. Probably too much extra money and not worth it.

Northwestern would have similar weather concerns and they covered every seat they say. It’s a much smaller stadium however.

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Northwestern would have similar weather concerns and they covered every seat they say. It’s a much smaller stadium however.

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Yeah, that lower bowl is not nearly as big. That whole stadium looks like the Bills mid-upper sections.

 

However, Tottenham is the same size. 62K+ I think, and they managed to "cover" it all. The Bills should be able to do the same. Not sure what the issue is, but it must be structural or cost, or both.

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5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Yeah, that lower bowl is not nearly as big. That whole stadium looks like the Bills mid-upper sections.

 

However, Tottenham is the same size. 62K+ I think, and they managed to "cover" it all. The Bills should be able to do the same. Not sure what the issue is, but it must be structural or cost, or both.

I would guess cost. It can’t be structural since the same firm the designed Tottenhams stadium with cover. 

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Agree, if they cut back on the canopy, it can only be due to cost. Plenty of cold weather stadiums in Europe including Russia where there are prominent overhangs, so it can’t be due to snow or structural limitations.  
 

I was excited that Populous was designing the stadium and if it ends up close to Hotspur design, I’ll be very happy.  Having said that these renderings are limited in detail. An overhead view would’ve been nice to quell some of our concerns. 

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3 minutes ago, Jukester said:

Agree, if they cut back on the canopy, it can only be due to cost. Plenty of cold weather stadiums in Europe including Russia where there are prominent overhangs, so it can’t be due to snow or structural limitations.  
 

I was excited that Populous was designing the stadium and if it ends up close to Hotspur design, I’ll be very happy.  Having said that these renderings are limited in detail. An overhead view would’ve been nice to quell some of our concerns. 

I doubt it. People would still be complaining that it's only 65%

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