Royale with Cheese Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bandito said: You don't think what he did was assault? In Missouri that was at least 4th degree assault punishable by up to a year in jail and $2000 fine. @teef Do you think Adams is going to jail for a year? Yes, he pushed him. Things are different in a sports arena whether you agree or disagree. He should be suspended at least one game and fined heavily by the NFL. That's where the punishment should be handed down. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Adams should face a game or two. The league does not want the look of players/coaches losing their cool and becoming immature. Adams made a mistake, and he acknowledged it. That does not mean he is absolved of it. Give him a game or two, a decent fine, and show the rest of the league that you cannot lose your cool, superstar or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Not criminal. He should be fined severely by the league and a significant (private) gesture made to the guy that went down. If the guy chooses to sue or press charges, well then the silliness can play out apart from the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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teef Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, Bandito said: You don't think what he did was assault? @teef an assault is a tricky word. when i think assault i think him really getting beaten, which obviously didn't happen. either way he shouldn't have done it. players can't get into it with refs, fans, employees, etc. i know it was in the heat of the moment, and i don't think he's a terrible guy for it, but it happened and some level of discipline has to be handed down. a game, a fine, and everyone moves on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bandito said: I don't think a year in jail is the right punishment. The law says up to a year in jail. But he should be arrested for assault and let the justice system play out. Missouri law seems to disagree with what you think. Now answer my question. Do you think this was assault or no? Yes it was assault but inside a sports arena, things don't apply the same way as they would outside. Was the VA Tech player arrested? Should Bobby Wagner be arrested? He "assaulted" that fan. Just now, Bandito said: Nothing is going to happen. This isn't the first time a player has "assaulted" someone in the stadium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, teef said: an assault is a tricky word. when i think assault i think him really getting beaten, which obviously didn't happen. either way he shouldn't have done it. players can't get into it with refs, fans, employees, etc. i know it was in the heat of the moment, and i don't think he's a terrible guy for it, but it happened and some level of discipline has to be handed down. a game, a fine, and everyone moves on. Assault in the Third Degree A person is guilty of assault in the third degree if he: attempts to physically injure another person or recklessly causes physical injury to another negligently causes bodily injury to another with a deadly weapon purposely threatens another person, causing that person to feel afraid that he is about to suffer serious physical injury recklessly engages in conduct that creates a grave risk of death or serious physical injury to another person intentionally engages in physical contact with another that the victim finds offensive or provocative, with knowledge that the victim will find it offensive or provocative, or knowingly engages in offensive or provocative contact with an incapacitated person. (Mo. Ann. Stat. § 565.070.) What Constitutes "Recklessness?" A reckless act is one that is committed, not necessarily with intent to harm another, but without regard for the outcome. Pushing someone out of the way in a crowd so that you can get through, without intending to injure the person, could be an assault if the person falls and is injured. (Mo. Ann. Stat. § 562.016.) https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/misdemeanor-assault-missouri.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 54 minutes ago, teef said: ahhh...i was waiting for this. i just don't agree. a lot of us on here played sports, but still know far better than to shove someone to the ground because you're upset...especially a guy who was there to work. it's the adult equivalent of a tantrum, while on national tv. it has nothing to do whether someone has played a sport and left emotions or not. it has nothing to do with kids these days. certain people act this way and certain people don't. it's been this way for generations, so please let's not act like this is new. if anything, it's a parenting issue if anything, and there's always been lousy parents. Sorry, a lot of you didn’t play at a high level with high emotions and this much on the line. Not everyone can turn their passion on and off like a light switch, and professional athletes in this violent high stakes environment should not be expected that they can always do so. They should be given space to come down after an event such as this. I expected this response in a world of participation trophies and people who can’t even describe what a woman is and the highlight of your week is a gender reveal party. How men in this society have become so weak defies any explanation. I guess soft times create soft men. I have photographed well over 500 sporting events in my life, and whether it’s a kids club soccer match or a college level game, any photographer knows you stay out of the way for athletes leaving a field. Now this doesn’t mean DA should have shoved him out of the way, but it it is completely understandable he did so. And the outrage here is laughable. I think you need to add she/her to after your name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 49 minutes ago, dpberr said: 6 games at least. There are serious consequences for assaulting someone. Can't discount this sort of behavior. If anyone of us shoved a store employee or bartender like that, we are headed to jail. No one is going to jail over that in NYS. Hardly anyone, better put. It was a misdemeanor assault. Adams just looks like a jerk, and it’s a bad look for the league that some guy making probably $25 bucks an hour is getting knocked around by a padded, helmeted athlete for no reason. I wonder if that was a NABET union guy and if the NFL is going to hear from organized labor about this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 2 hours ago, RiotAct said: his apology was pretty half assed. Almost made it sound like the cameraman’s fault I thought it was sincere. Adams has been in the league 9 seasons and never been a problem. I don't think the intent was to shove the guy to the ground. It's not like he stepped into the shove. That said, he deserves a game suspension. There has to be a punishment here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bandito said: 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Assault in the Third Degree A person is guilty of assault in the third degree if he: attempts to physically injure another person or recklessly causes physical injury to another negligently causes bodily injury to another with a deadly weapon purposely threatens another person, causing that person to feel afraid that he is about to suffer serious physical injury recklessly engages in conduct that creates a grave risk of death or serious physical injury to another person intentionally engages in physical contact with another that the victim finds offensive or provocative, with knowledge that the victim will find it offensive or provocative, or knowingly engages in offensive or provocative contact with an incapacitated person. (Mo. Ann. Stat. § 565.070.) What Constitutes "Recklessness?" A reckless act is one that is committed, not necessarily with intent to harm another, but without regard for the outcome. Pushing someone out of the way in a crowd so that you can get through, without intending to injure the person, could be an assault if the person falls and is injured. (Mo. Ann. Stat. § 562.016.) https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/misdemeanor-assault-missouri.htm technically it was an assault if that the question. i think the best bet is just don't put your hands on anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, teef said: technically it was an assault if that the question. i think the best bet is just don't put your hands on anyone. I honestly don't think he should be arrested and that any punishments should come from the NFL (and perhaps his own team). He effed up. But I don't think he effed up to the point where it should result in a criminal record. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: Sorry, a lot of you didn’t play at a high level with high emotions and this much on the line. Not everyone can turn their passion on and off like a light switch, and professional athletes in this violent high stakes environment should not be expected that they can always do so. They should be given space to come down after an event such as this. I expected this response in a world of participation trophies and people who can’t even describe what a woman is and the highlight of your week is a gender reveal party. How men in this society have become so weak defies any explanation. I guess soft times create soft men. I have photographed well over 500 sporting events in my life, and whether it’s a kids club soccer match or a college level game, any photographer knows you stay out of the way for athletes leaving a field. Now this doesn’t mean DA should have shoved him out of the way, but it it is completely understandable he did so. And the outrage here is laughable. I think you need to add she/her to after your name. nonsense. you have no idea, and you're using this as an excuse for poor actions. every week there's athletes who a wildly let down, yet they don't act like children who didn't get their way. this softening of men is just a you issue. you mention participation trophies, gender reveals, adding she/her after my name...come on. if someone got in your way on the street and you shoved them to the ground, would there be no consequences? or if you did it at work? i'm 45 now. i've leaned that with age doesn't necessarily come wisdom which some of the older generation shoves down our throat. it's the older generation that caused this world to be in the situation it is now, so enough of that garbage. sometimes older people are just dumb older people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 hour ago, teef said: it has nothing to do with kids these days. certain people act this way and certain people don't. it's been this way for generations, so please let's not act like this is new. if anything, it's a parenting issue if anything, and there's always been lousy parents. I stated in my response it had to do with discipline and parenting. “Kids these days” absolutely has a connection regarding this though. There aren’t too many kids I know or have met that are completely spoiled and/or not grateful for what they have. Including experiences, material things, etc. yes I know there are good kids, but there’s a huge of them that are rotten little humans. And it has everything to do with parenting. And as I said before that all started when people became vilified for disciplining their children. im choosing not to continue to argue about this anymore before I completely tip someone, or tip myself and get banned for the foreseeable future. I’ve said my piece and I will go back to my miserable hole now. enjoy your day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 So something this small deserves it own thread? I thought the guy got hurt or something but this is just entertainment for you guys I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I honestly don't think he should be arrested and that any punishments should come from the NFL (and perhaps his own team). He effed up. But I don't think he effed up to the point where it should result in a criminal record. i don't think he should be arrested, but i do think the nfl needs to give him some of the business. he won't have a criminal record, but he will have to pay an attorney. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EffKCChiefs Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 1 minute ago, teef said: nonsense. you have no idea, and you're using this as an excuse for poor actions. every week there's athletes who a wildly let down, yet they don't act like children who didn't get their way. this softening of men is just a you issue. you mention participation trophies, gender reveals, adding she/her after my name...come on. if someone got in your way on the street and you shoved them to the ground, would there be no consequences? or if you did it at work? i'm 45 now. i've leaned that with age doesn't necessarily come wisdom which some of the older generation shoves down our throat. it's the older generation that caused this world to be in the situation it is now, so enough of that garbage. sometimes older people are just dumb older people. Obviously in those 45 years you never learned how to spell or type. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, mrags said: I stated in my response it had to do with discipline and parenting. “Kids these days” absolutely has a connection regarding this though. There aren’t too many kids I know or have met that are completely spoiled and/or not grateful for what they have. Including experiences, material things, etc. yes I know there are good kids, but there’s a huge of them that are rotten little humans. And it has everything to do with parenting. And as I said before that all started when people became vilified for disciplining their children. im choosing not to continue to argue about this anymore before I completely tip someone, or tip myself and get banned for the foreseeable future. I’ve said my piece and I will go back to my miserable hole now. enjoy your day fair enough, but anyone who thinks disciplining their kids means hitting them is just a ***** parent. Just now, EffKCChiefs said: Obviously in those 45 years you never learned how to spell or type. hey billsfan1972! i live in your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EffKCChiefs Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Just now, teef said: fair enough, but anyone who thinks disciplining their kids means hitting them is just a ***** parent. hey billsfan1972! i live in your head. Who is that? I wasn't even alive in 1972. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 The field is for the players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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