Christian McCaffrey rumors

[Reed83HOF]

8 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Why only 10 games.  That's absurd. He's under contract for future years and his contract isn't that big you can't fit him. Cap is crap, restructure a couple guys and you're good. No big offensive FA signing. 

 

2nd Round Picks of recent years:

James Cook 63

Boogie Basham 61

AJ Epenesa 54

Cody Ford 38

Zay Jones 37

Dion Dawkins 63

Reggie Ragland 41

Cyrus Kouandjio 44

 

That's going back to 2014.

 

Draft picks are not as valuable as people think once you start putting faces to the picks. What you do have to be careful with is overall roster depth and not depleting picks, but to trade once in a while or manageably is okay. 

Beane will trade picks from the current draft only, does not like to trade from future years.

 

I'm too lazy to look this statement up to verify it, but I'm fairly certain Beane scouted CMC and we did kick the tires in the offseason. With the growth of McD in being more aggressive on offense this year than in years past, the more playmaker you have the better, the harder to defend you are, the better; this does make sense on some levels. There was some worry that with Dabs moving on, we would look to run more this year, we haven't really. Dorsey being a fabulous college qb with a loaded roster at every position has kept the foot on the gas. One of the hallmarks of those Miami teams was having crazy talent at every position which made it very hard to defend and allowed you to still keep the foot on the gas no matter who was out or who was being doubled. It's the same thing here, make us near impossible to defend.

 

That along with a good D will make us really hard to beat. With where our roster currently stands, I think you can part with 1 pick this year without any type of catastrophic hole being opened.

 

15 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

The problem with the argument is that even players on the same team take touches away from each other. A throw to Know is one less throw to Diggs. We tolerate this because it doesn’t really matter who is touching the ball to move chains or scoring TDs. We just care that someone does. So, if CMC comes in and produces at a high level (not necessarily saying he would), it really wouldn’t matter as long as we’re scoring and winning. 

Correct! It's the rb position and running game that people get tripped up on, I'm not saying run more, but he'll if a team wants to stay in dime and have a deep zone shell, I'm pounding the rock to get you out of it. You want to stop the run or double diggs and cover Davis up, I'm hitting ny te, rb or wr3, you want to blitz, enjoy the cmc screen....

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

I'm sure there are some on this board who want a better running attack, I have been on team give me IOL help for awhile now.  

 

When it comes to what the offense needs, not just because something is missing, but it should be another way to make a defense chose their poison. I do think an OBJ would be great as a 3rd WR for us and push Shakir, Crowder, McK to a 4th WR. They will very likely be better than the 4th db lined up on them.

 

To have a better receiving option out of the back field, might have some merit. It's hard to compare a player in 1 offense vs another based of different players and who the defense is trying to take away, but Yac/reception  is where I have looked. Singletary has a career average of 6.7 yac/r and cmc has 7.98 yac/r. That's a pretty good difference between them and I think adds a better attacking element to our passing offense and is someone who will command some attention and either free up diggs, Knox, davis, and wr3 based on the attention the defense has to pay to cmc over DS or if not, he is a more capable pass catcher. Cmc has a 80.9% catch rate vs DS 76.3%. He has also caught like 3x as many passes. I'm looking at this as how does it open our offense up more by recalling making the defense make a decision to stay in single coverage or to give us multiple players who can make you pay. 

 

I wouldn't break the bank for cmc as far as trade value goes, but it is something I would strongly look at for the right price. He does open some stuff up for us...

 

 

 

 

 

Nobody is arguing that CMC isn't better than Singletary when healthy.........CMC hasn't been healthy for a whole season since the 2010's.

 

But an extra yard per reception out of the backfield isn't worth much in trade or cap space.   

 

For example.........a healthy Jamison Crowder is a career 11 yards per catch option at slot.........MORE of a gain over McKenzie(9.5) than the difference between Singletary and McCaffrey in the pass game.

 

And those are minimum wage level receivers who a team wouldn't trade anything more than a 5th rounder for in their most desperate moment. 

 

The math simply doesn't add up to make it worth much to acquire McCaffrey...........and you can't separate the ridiculous acquisition cost for a rental at the least important position on the field from the potential modest gain. 

[frogger]

Don’t think of CMC as a running back, think of him as a slot WR with after catch abilities and occasionally a RB.  I personally don’t see him as a huge upgrade, is he better than any other slot WR we have? yeah probably…but I’d rather have a pounding RB in the 225+ range, but it’s not up to me.  

[Bangarang]

Not a fan of his salary. Not a fan of his injury history. Not a fan of what it would take to get him. It’s a no from me.

Edited October 19, 2022 by Bangarang

[SWATeam]

42 minutes ago, Logic said:

The overvaluing of draft picks is a leftover mentality from the drought years, in my opinion.

The draft used to be in constant rebuilding mode, and the draft was like the Super Bowl for Bills fans.

Now, the Bills have finally rebuilt. They already HAVE an amazing roster. The Super Bowl for Bills fans this year should be, well...THE ACTUAL SUPER BOWL! And adding a star player could hugely help them to reach that game.

Yes, draft picks are valuable, and yes, Beane will continue to build through the draft and follow his mantra of "draft, develop, re-sign". But that doesn't mean that the Bills should be hording future draft picks at the expense of improving their team NOW, in the midst of a Super Bowl push. 

The fact that the Bills have been mentioned as the primary suitor for McCaffrey tells me that Beane feels the same way.

I think the problem with this is the contract.

 

The rams are a great example of how this can work.  Trade a high pick for a one year rental and then let them walk, like the Watkins situation.  The difference is a high comp pick comes into play when letting these players walk on an expiring contract.  That really softens the blow of the compensation.

 

While McCaffrey wouldn't be a big cap hit this year, and we could walk away after, no comp picks would come into play with the loss if we cut him after this year.  Are we really going to burn a #1 for a half year rental with no compensation coming back?  I see little chance we would move forward with his salary.

[BADOLBILZ]

54 minutes ago, Logic said:

I liked Buscaglia's pitch:

They can choose between either Moss and a 2nd or Cook and a 3rd. This allows the Panthers to get a young RB in return to replace CMC, as well as getting a day two draft pick.

While I don't WANT to give up Cook, I would do so for CMC.

As Buscaglia points out, the Bills can afford CMC with no problem this season, and since only $1million of future money is guaranteed, they could re-structure future years. At the end of the day, they should be able to roster him without gut wrenching cap implications for at least two seasons.

In my mind, the Bills are as close as they've ever been to a Super Bowl trophy, which puts them in "all-in" mode. Push your chips into the center of the table. Go get that Lombardi.

Singletary can continue to get a decent amount of snaps and help keep McCaffrey fresh. Both can be deployed in the same formation, with McCaffrey splitting out wide or operating as more of a passing game piece.

I'm not sure people fully grasp how much CMC could bring to this offense. As great as the Bills have been, adding CMC would basically cause opposing defensive coordinators to throw their hands up in the air and say "forget it. We're *****. Why bother?"
 

 

 

Cook depreciated 2 rounds the minute they drove him off the lot.     He is a rookie and still may produce but to say that was a sketchy draft decision is putting it mildly.   Can't even trade him straight up for a high mileage, oft-injured former star RB with a bad contract.

 

As I mentioned before...........if anyone thinks it's not possible that McCaffrey will never look anything like a star again for any kind of long stretch....... they need to look at Thurman Thomas.........5 years a star and after that he dropped off significantly and became just a good volume use RB.    McCaffrey put a lot of miles on at Stanford and then in his first few seasons in the NFL. 

 

The Bills may be all-in but there are a number of other positions that could be upgraded before the least important one.

[Reed83HOF]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Nobody is arguing that CMC isn't better than Singletary when healthy.........CMC hasn't been healthy for a whole season since the 2010's.

 

But an extra yard per reception out of the backfield isn't worth much in trade or cap space.   

 

For example.........a healthy Jamison Crowder is a career 11 yards per catch option at slot.........MORE of a gain over McKenzie(9.5) than the difference between Singletary and McCaffrey in the pass game.

 

And those are minimum wage level receivers who a team wouldn't trade anything more than a 5th rounder for in their most desperate moment. 

 

The math simply doesn't add up to make it worth much to acquire McCaffrey...........and you can't separate the ridiculous acquisition cost for a rental at the least important position on the field from the potential modest gain. 

 

You are going to hate this response, I even do. I entirely agree with what you are saying and it is 100% spot on, but I disagree in this instance with this team.

 

(This isn't geared towards you personally, I'm speaking generally) There isn't a stat or anything you can really toss out there to make a point why you should, because im not sure one exists. The question that needs to be answered is, will he be impactful enough out of the backfield as a rb or a wr to challenge the coverages being played against us to either open it up for other players or for him to be the player to make a play which will then drawn some more attention of the defenders and DC. I'm not sure how that gets quantified and that is where I'm at.

 

We certainly aren't going to run the ball more than we do, not by much at least over the course of any season. But if he is a more effective as a pass catcher out of the backfield and can make defenders miss enough, that should open things up more for single coverage on diggs or Davis and even open the underneath up more for Knox and wr3. Right?

[Logic]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Cook depreciated 2 rounds the minute they drove him off the lot.     He is a rookie and still may produce but to say that was a sketchy draft decision is putting it mildly.   Can't even trade him straight up for a high mileage, oft-injured former star RB with a bad contract.

 

As I mentioned before...........if anyone thinks it's not possible that McCaffrey will never look anything like a star again for any kind of long stretch....... they need to look at Thurman Thomas.........5 years a star and after that he dropped off significantly and became just a good volume use RB.    McCaffrey put a lot of miles on at Stanford and then in his first few seasons in the NFL. 

 

The Bills may be all-in but there are a number of other positions that could be upgraded before the least important one.

Fair points.

But in six games this season, McCaffrey has 673 yards from scrimmage and 3 TDs. He's averaging 112 yards from scrimmage per game. He is on pace for 85 receptions.

I think he's still a highly productive player who would upgrade the Bills backfield.

I'd rather improve the offensive line, but I don't see many teams out there trading away quality guards. Other than that, I'm not sure what position the Bills would realistically be looking at in the trade market.

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

I think the problem with this is the contract.

 

The rams are a great example of how this can work.  Trade a high pick for a one year rental and then let them walk, like the Watkins situation.  The difference is a high comp pick comes into play when letting these players walk on an expiring contract.  That really softens the blow of the compensation.

 

While McCaffrey wouldn't be a big cap hit this year, and we could walk away after, no comp picks would come into play with the loss if we cut him after this year.  Are we really going to burn a #1 for a half year rental with no compensation coming back?  I see little chance we would move forward with his salary.

 

 

I rarely agree with you because you are so often wrong............but yes,  the reasons against adding McCaffrey as a rental at the likely cost far outweigh the LIKELY return in a partial season of work.

 

And part of the issue is that people have unrealistic expectations about what he would add.    He's almost certainly not going to suddenly turn into a 6 yard per carry and 12 yard per reception stud.   The realistic expectation is that his best days are behind him and that he's just going to be an above average RB if used carefully but with a relatively high injury risk factor compared to Devin Singletary.

[Codyny13]

What scares me isn’t so much what he would add to this team, the guy when healthy is a stud. The team drafted James Cook to be that CMC, Kamara type player, and hopefully he turns out that way, but he’s not that right now.  I have a feeling there’s a good portion of the playbook that isn’t being entertained bc Cook hasn’t show he can be that player. Do we wait, in a prime super bowl year, to see if cook can be that player in the playoffs, or how would we feel possibly seeing CMC on the Chiefs in the AFC championship game, now that they’re actively freeing up cap space?

[SWATeam]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I rarely agree with you because you are so often wrong............but yes,  the reasons against adding McCaffrey as a rental at the likely cost far outweigh the LIKELY return in a partial season of work.

 

And part of the issue is that people have unrealistic expectations about what he would add.    He's almost certainly not going to suddenly turn into a 6 yard per carry and 12 yard per reception stud.   The realistic expectation is that his best days are behind him and that he's just going to be an above average RB if used carefully but with a relatively high injury risk factor compared to Devin Singletary.

That's right!

 

Plus, I predict McCaffery will be working radio by years end anyways!

 

What's Mike Gillislee up too?  Maybe we could bring him back and right the wrong of letting him and his 5.7 YPC go.  That could fix the RB room

 

Plus, why would McCaffery want to come to a franchise that hired a defensive minded HC (Jauron 2.0) when we had the opportunity to get with the times and hire a guy like Reich?  And that hired the coach before the GM!  That will never work!

 

You're a legend.

[BuffaloBaumer]

The ONLY thing this team needs is to make sure Josh Allen has enough time to throw the ball. Nothing else matters. If any draft picks are being given away, it should be to strengthen the line. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

I'm not all in on cmc so to speak but I am all in on making an improvement of some type.  Grab whatever Beaney thinks is gonna put us over the top.

 

I do think cmc gives us something more than a slight improvement at rb.  Defenses will have to account  for him every game.  They don't have to do that so much for Singletary.   Just that is something though I would bet barring injuries he would have a statistical impact as well.

[njbuff]

Has there ever been an in-season TRADE for an OL in NFL history and if so, did it work out?

 

Cause I can't remember an in-season trade for an OL ever. 

[Alphadawg7]

12 hours ago, NewEra said:

I agree with most of what you’re saying throughout.  The only problem with this logic is thinking that adding a star running back will give us a great running game.  I don’t think that’s the case.  The panthers don’t have a great run game.   
 

Derrick Henry and the titans have the 6th worst rush offense.  
Najee on the 7th worst

Mixon on the 8th worst

Mccaffery on the 9th worst

ekeler on the 10th worst

Dalvin on the 12th worst

 

 

 

There are a multitude of reasons for that though...and McCaffrey and Ekeler are making big contributions as a receiver and arguably the most effective parts of both offenses right now.

 

But...this discussion is getting a bit sidetracked.  I am not in any way advocating for a run first team, emphasize the run game, etc.  I am one of Devin's biggest defenders.  I am just saying, adding an elite RB who is also an elite receiver to this offense is certainly an upgrade, even though I really like Devin and just think he needs to be given more carries.  

 

But I was correcting the poster who claimed in the last 25 years no team wins in the playoffs with a run game led offense, and it wasn't true.  It's totally irrelevant to the Bills, we are a dominant passing team and will remain that way no matter who is running the ball, as it should be when you have the best QB in the league.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

There are a multitude of reasons for that though...and McCaffrey and Ekeler are making big contributions as a receiver and arguably the most effective parts of both offenses right now.

 

But...this discussion is getting a bit sidetracked.  I am not in any way advocating for a run first team, emphasize the run game, etc.  I am one of Devin's biggest defenders.  I am just saying, adding an elite RB who is also an elite receiver to this offense is certainly an upgrade, even though I really like Devin and just think he needs to be given more carries.  

 

But I was correcting the poster who claimed in the last 25 years no team wins in the playoffs with a run game led offense, and it wasn't true.  It's totally irrelevant to the Bills, we are a dominant passing team and will remain that way no matter who is running the ball, as it should be when you have the best QB in the league.

Gotcha.  I agree 💯 

[TheWeatherMan]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

When you add a player like CMC you take away touches from the current stars on the Buffalo offense.

 

Last game, Diggs, 10 receptions for 148 yards, 1 TD. Davis, 3 for 74 yards, 1 TD, Knox 3 for 37, 1 TD.

 

With Singletary finally getting a decent amount of carries in this game, 17 for 85 yards, a 5.0 YPC AVG. 

 

If the Bills had an ordinary franchise QB behind center a trade for an elite RB might make sense...they don't! The Bills have an "alien unicorn" who does things the entire NFL world marvels at...he can hurtle tall defenders in a single bound! 

 

Give Cook time to develop and there will be no need for CMC is my take...a younger, healthier, faster player. CMC 4.48-40. Cook 4.42-40. JMO

 

 

We have only one RB worthy of seeing the field.  At a minimum we need a backup RB and a viable insurance policy.  Hopefully next year Cook will be ready to go and we can find another cheaper option to start at RB.  

[teef]

lots of anger around here.  lots of anger.

[Sherlock Holmes]

13 minutes ago, teef said:

lots of anger around here.  lots of anger.

If we don't trade for McCaffrey I'm going to possibly have a BBMB style meltdown...I just might be on my last warning unfortunately

[teef]

Just now, Sherlock Holmes said:

If we don't trade for McCaffrey I'm going to possibly have a BBMB style meltdown...I just might be on my last warning unfortunately

i think a legit meltdown would really hit the spot right now.