Buffalo03 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 3 hours ago, iccrewman112 said: you make two points here the first is about his contract is great because only one million guaranteed after this season. Then a sentence later you talk about mccafferey with 4-5 solid years left. So what are you envisioning? Remainder of this season and cut or paying him season by season at a high price tag? What I'm saying is get him on the team this year for $600,000 and then work out what you need to work out for another few years. Maybe some kind of reworked deal of some kind. But my point wad just get him on the team now, worry about the rest later 2 hours ago, Billz4ever said: Not sure what games you're watching or how much smoke you're trying to blow here, but you can look at almost any game this year and Edmunds is lined up directly behind the D-line in traditional MLB fashion. To try and claim this is some weird LB scheme that couldn't be done by anyone else is laughable and demonstrates a clear lack of understand of LB roles and responsibilities. LMAO, that's like saying if your O-line sucks at pass blocking and your QB is getting hammered, it's not really the line's fault, it's the QB'S fault. Get a grip. Dude, if you are trying to say Nick Chubb would be no better than Devin Singletary in our offense you are insane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Hopefully by the playoffs Cook is up to speed. Dumb use of a pick but they invested in him, so hopefully he becomes that 8 yard per reception RB and somehow produces on the ground as well. But Singletary has also been much improved in the pass game too. The past 30 years of NFL history indicates that among the last things you want is to go into the playoffs thinking you need to get a certain RB touches..........and with a big name like CMC that would be hard to avoid. Slot receivers replaced RB's in the passing game for a reason. Guys like Singletary and McCaffrey have been good for about 5.1-5.3 yards per touch each over the past few seasons.......guys like Cole Beasley and Jamison Crower have averaged 10-11 yards per touch. Being any kind of RB-centric is a mistake. I didn't mean to make it look like I was psyched about the idea of trading for CMC because of all the reasons you mentioned. Especially if we meet their demands of a high draft pick or multiple day two picks. The most underrated reason you touched on is Dorsey and Allen would be pressured to force the ball to a big name like CMC. Plus, there is always an injury concern and he may be a tad slower than he was two seasons ago. Just trying to explain the added value would have more to do with pass catching than improving our running game like some posters insinuated. I want to remain a pass happy offense and am perfectly fine with how we've been executing the first five weeks. I have faith that our run blocking will improve as the season progresses but we'll always be a pass first team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I’d argue it may increase the chances 5-10% The only people saying this are dudes that A. Doesn't know he's a better pass catcher than RB, still great for 3rd down situations B. Is taking zero consideration for how far off the LOS safeties are going to play us, as we get healthy and Gabe develops into a serious deep threat. This is a move that has a synergistic effect on the Off. 1+1 = 10 situation. They wanna stay in 2 high look, well gut them underneath with CMC and Knox and slot guy. They get tired/frustrated with that, start to creep up, josh puts one over their head. Would make life easier for everyone. Our OL sucks at battling in trenches. Let them in the backfield on a screen. Get on the move into space where they're asked to block smaller Lbs and DBs Now that's in the back of their head and DL becomes hesitant/patient can't pin their ears back. All the sudden OL looking a lil better 6 hours ago, Billz4ever said: I would love it if Beane could make something happen with Roquan Smith. And yes, I would give up Edmunds to do it. LOL!! Could you imagine Smith trying to cover the middle 60% of the field? Cover a TE? Cool player in 1995. Edited October 16, 2022 by BillsShredder83 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: LOL!! Could you imagine Smith trying to cover the middle 60% of the field? Cover a TE? Cool player in 1995. And didn't he get trucked by Carson Wentz on Thursday? Can you imagine fans reactions if that happened to Edmunds... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 27 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: And didn't he get trucked by Carson Wentz on Thursday? Can you imagine fans reactions if that happened to Edmunds... It'd be like "hey let's replace Edmunds with Brandon Spikes! They both play MLB" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said: It'd be like "hey let's replace Edmunds with Brandon Spikes! They both play MLB" Edmunds replacement is on the team already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 minute ago, TBBills said: Edmunds replacement is on the team already. Not a replacement, but a place-holder until they draft another 1st round LB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Not a replacement, but a place-holder until they draft another 1st round LB. Speaking of this guy who's name escapes me now, wish we could hear something about how he looks in practice. Seems like we take the more raw but talented kinda players lately. Definitely a nice luxury when you don't need a guy to step right in... That said, I'd love to see him get on the field later this year. He was a ST ace wasn't he? That's your ticket to play, and while he's dressed would like to see him come in situationally for blitzing, and obvious run plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 IF they do it - I’d hope they use him as a slot receiver who motions in and out of the backfield. If their plan is to use him as a traditional, RB1, then my crazy idea would be to make him inactive until the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just play James Cook more Geeeez 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 5 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: I get you on the usage aspect, they could and will do whatever they want with him. Again though, and I guess this is my biggest disconnect with all the advocates of this move - I’ve seen nothing to suggest he’s back in peak form. And personally I wouldn’t move significant assets (which Carolina is demanding) until I saw some evidence of that. Yes, I know the Panthers are a trainwreck with no QB. But the extensive injury history is still there. I’m just not into it. I think the offense is fine and might even get better if Cook improves over the season and the offensive line improves (hope for this most of all.) He's gone for over 100 yards from scrimmage (rushing/receiving) in nearly every game He's the same player he's been when healthy in previous seasons As for that last part...I'd rather not gamble with an if in Cook when we can have a sure thing in CMC 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Totally agree - AT HIS PEAK - McCaffrey is a game changer, but when was his peak? 3 years ago - 2019 maybe. Right now his numbers suggest he is a middle of the road back. He definitely has some play as a receiving back, but even that is limited. For the limited touches and usage - I have no issues with a 3rd rounder or later, but as this team is not at the end or even late in their Super Bowl window - a first or second is just more than I am willing to give up. The question for me is 2 fold: 1) As he has played 3 and 7 games the last 2 years and is nicked up by 5 games this year - what are you realistically looking to give up with the knowledge that there is a good chance he is unavailable for the games you need him most for and that to nurse him to those games means giving him little play for the next 10-12 weeks to keep him fresh. 2) What is the long term plan for the position - as I stated the Bills are not the Rams and near the end of their window with an aging QB - they are still pressing near the beginning. I am not willing to Trade a potential future 4-5 year cheap starter for a 1 year rental that we then cut meaning you do not even get a potential Comp pick. If there is Compensation worked out to cheaply extend him 3 more years or we give up a 1st and got a 3rd back or additional young players with term - great, but a 2nd contract RB for a 1 year rental with this window - no thanks. If we could sign him like OBJ for no compensation- great sign me up, but to give up big draft capital for a 1 year rental at this point in the window is just a hard NO. For the right compensation and length of term - yep he could be a nice add, but I am not risking my window for an oft injured RB. Well written Rottenchester. People keep thinking of CMC from 2019. Whether we extended him for three years or one, it’s a mistake. Once backs start breaking down, they usually don’t come back. Look at Henry this year compared to years past. On the flip side, OBJ has proven with a chg of scenery he excelled in the stretch for the Rams. I wouldn’t get over confident about how the rookies played in a broken down team with Pittsburgh. We could strongly benefit from a boost to the talent on the team in late November through February. I’ll always take add ons in talent for the right $. Beane make it happen with OBJ. For the record, it’s not that I don’t think CMC was the most dynamic RB in the league 3 years ago. It’s just not good timing for him now. As an aside, I know our medical and training staff is going to put OBJ to the test to ensure he is really 100% before we would sign him to a contract. Just think in the divisional round (assuming we win today to get the #1 seed) us having a healthy Diggs, Davis, and OBJ, with rotations to keep fresh McKenzie, and Shakir. I’m also holding out hope Cook continues to steadily improve with each game as that pass catching RB we need. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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machine gun kelly Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I didn't mean to make it look like I was psyched about the idea of trading for CMC because of all the reasons you mentioned. Especially if we meet their demands of a high draft pick or multiple day two picks. The most underrated reason you touched on is Dorsey and Allen would be pressured to force the ball to a big name like CMC. Plus, there is always an injury concern and he may be a tad slower than he was two seasons ago. Just trying to explain the added value would have more to do with pass catching than improving our running game like some posters insinuated. I want to remain a pass happy offense and am perfectly fine with how we've been executing the first five weeks. I have faith that our run blocking will improve as the season progresses but we'll always be a pass first team. Badol, if you’re reading this as it’s a reply to Doc, but you’re 100% on the money. Better written than myself. I don’t think you are and House also stated it, but Cook is a work in progress. He will be another weapon in time, but he learning how to play in the NFL. He’s much cheaper, younger, and far more healthy than CMC. He may not ever be a Kamara, but he can help this offense when McD trusts him. That has to be earned. Cook will have lots of opportunities I. The two Jets games the two Pats games, the Lions, the Vikings, and Chicago. He. An carry a much heavier load on those games so he works his way into being an asset in the playoffs. We’re talking about maybe 5-7 short passing targets a game out of 60-65 offensive snaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Pete said: I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills had a limit on the offer they'd be willing to make and it was nowhere near what the Panthers wanted. Doesn't hurt to try, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Just now, LeGOATski said: I wouldn't be surprised if the Bills had a limit on the offer they'd be willing to make and it was nowhere near what the Panthers wanted. Doesn't hurt to try, though. we have until Nov 1 to negotiate. Beane is a patient man who doesn't overpay 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, Pete said: This means the Panthers are not interested in Taiwan Jones 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, TBBills said: Edmunds replacement is on the team already. Tyrel Dodson? He played in Edmunds absence last week. Played pretty well too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Pete said: I keep seeing this pop up. But with both the Panthers and Bills saying they haven't, I wonder if this is referencing last offseason and not current discussions. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 38 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Well written Rottenchester. People keep thinking of CMC from 2019. Whether we extended him for three years or one, it’s a mistake. Once backs start breaking down, they usually don’t come back. Look at Henry this year compared to years past Ummmm... Saquon Barkley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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