Poor coaching by McDermott is becoming a theme

[cas22]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

That's why it's such a lazy take.

People literally use everything as an example of poor coaching.

 

If players make mistakes.  They weren't focused, and it's the coaches fault.

If players just play bad.  They weren't prepared, and it's the coaches fault.

Any play call that doesn't work is stupid, and they should have done the opposite thing.

 

 

Our defense made Tyreek Hill invisible on Sunday and pretty much shut-down the Dolphins offense, with a secondary consisting of rookies Kaiir Elam, Christian Benford and Ja'marcus Ingram at cornerback, along with Jaquan Johnson and Damar Hamlin at safety.  Everyone figured they would put up 30+ on us, and they needed a strip-sack to hit 21.  It was a very impressive performance.  But the only thing I'm reading is the one play where we got burned.  Because like I said... Lezlie Frazier should have just done the opposite thing of what he did.  

 

again gonna have to disagree here, our defense didn't shut anyone down, the offense kept there offense off the feild  40 minutes of possession is why Hill looked like *****.. it wasn't the defense that shut them down. 

[Coach Tuesday]

6 minutes ago, cas22 said:

 

 

 

 

Im gonna disagree here, as a former coach there are 2 ways to coach in that situation, aggressive or safe, McD and Frazier always choose safe, if you depleted at the back end of your defense you don't make them make the play, they should have blitz which would have made TUA get rid of the ball quicker most likely a slant or a out pattern is what he would had to throw, our true strength on this defense is the d-line and we protect it.. we blitzed 1 time and TUA got sacked in a hurry...

 

 we did the same thing against KC with 13 seconds left, rushed 3 and gave the QB time, thats the key time, the reason we lost Sunday was because Allen was getting blitzed on every play, it disrupted his throws and it showed, the were aggressive and won we play safe on defense...and lost...      

 

This.  They’ve spent what, a quarter billion dollars on their defensive line and they take them off the field for the most important third down of the game?  McD and Frazier hiding under their blankets during key moments in the game, it’s tough to see it keep happening.  

[GimmeSomeProcess]

#1 in point differential last season, #5 in 2020 and shaping up for a top 5 finish this season. Horrible coach I tell ya, HORRIBLE

[Ramza86]

4 minutes ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:

#1 in point differential last season, #5 in 2020 and shaping up for a top 5 finish this season. Horrible coach I tell ya, HORRIBLE

 

Hes not calling plays or hiring the personnel.

 

What he IS doing is making in game decisions and hes making too many poor ones for a superbowl contender.

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Now the armchair geniuses are criticizing Leslie Frazier for the 3rd-22.  Because he didn't bring enough pressure.  Even though the Bills had the highest pressure rate in the entire NFL with hardly any blitzes through two weeks AND had a totally inexperienced secondary.  Of course if he blitzed and got burned, we would be hearing how stupid he was to leave our backup DBs alone against the fastest WRs in the league on such a crucial play.  I'm even reading some comparisons to 13 seconds, even though this time we got beat over the top... which is exactly the opposite of what happened in the playoffs.

 

 

I am considered I think as a defender of coaching and a blamer of player's execution. But believe me when I say if he had blitzed on that play and got beat I'd have been killing (figuratively of course) him for it. When we gave up the game winner in Tampa on a stupid blitz in overtime I absolutely put that on Leslie Frazier. It was a stupid call on a 3rd and 3 on their side of the field when they were still not even in FG range without your best corner on the field. 

 

On 3rd and 22 in the NFL you almost always play coverage. When you throw in an inexperienced secondary who by that point had precisely ONE NFL start among four of them prior to the game you absolutely do what you can to protect them in front. What happened on that play is the Dolphins ran a good cover 2 beater, Jaquan Johnson hesitated, gave up inside leverage and the Dolphins got a really fast guy up the seam and made a play. The Bills actually dropped Rousseau almost into Tremaine's position so that Tremaine could drop deeper like an old Tampa 2 MLB and defend the sticks. The other guys get paid too, the Dolphins made a good play and exposed two inexperienced safeties. It happens. It's football. 

 

But most football fans play Madden and love blitzing. So when they see a defense play coverage and give up a play they flip out. 

 

17 minutes ago, cas22 said:

Im gonna disagree here, as a former coach there are 2 ways to coach in that situation, aggressive or safe, McD and Frazier always choose safe, if you depleted at the back end of your defense you don't make them make the play, they should have blitz which would have made TUA get rid of the ball quicker most likely a slant or a out pattern is what he would had to throw, our true strength on this defense is the d-line and we protect it.. we blitzed 1 time and TUA got sacked in a hurry...

 

 we did the same thing against KC with 13 seconds left, rushed 3 and gave the QB time, thats the key time, the reason we lost Sunday was because Allen was getting blitzed on every play, it disrupted his throws and it showed, the were aggressive and won we play safe on defense...and lost...      

 

I absolutely, 100%, utterly and totally disagree. A blitz there would have been a horrible call. Aggressive does not always = better. 

Edited September 27, 2022 by GunnerBill

[zow2]

It was 2nd and 1 from the Miami 6,  2:40 remaining and Motor plowed ahead for 4.

 

1st and goal from the Miami 2,   2:36 remaining and Motor plowed ahead for 1.

 

Two minute warning, 2nd and goal from inside the Miami 1, and the play call is not Motor plowing ahead.  It's Allen going backwards taking a 1 yard loss.

 

An exhausted Allen throws 2 incomplete passes and that's a blown opportunity that hopefully won't cost the Bills the 1 seed.

[Coach Tuesday]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am considered I think as a defender of coaching and a blamer of player's execution. But believe me when I say if he had blitzed on that play and got beat I'd have been killing (figuratively of course) him for it. When we gave up the game winner in Tampa on a stupid blitz in overtime I absolutely put that on Leslie Frazier. It was a stupid call on a 3rd and 3 on their side of the field when they were still not even in FG range without your best corner on the field. 

 

On 3rd and 22 in the NFL you almost always play coverage. When you throw in an inexperienced secondary who by that point had precisely ONE NFL start among four of them prior to the game you absolutely do what you can to protect them in front. What happened on that play is the Dolphins ran a good cover 2 beater, Jaquan Johnson hesitated, gave up inside leverage and the Dolphins got a really fast guy up the seam and made a play. The Bills actually dropped Rousseau almost into Tremaine's position so that Tremaine could drop deeper like an old Tampa 2 MLB and defend the sticks. The other guys get paid too, the Dolphins made a good play and exposed two inexperienced safeties. It happens. It's football. 

 

But most football fans play Madden and love blitzing. So when they see a defense play coverage and give up a play they flip out. 

 

 

I absolutely, 100%, utterly and totally disagree. A blitz there would have been a horrible call. Aggressive does not always = better. 

I don’t think they should’ve blitzed but rushing 3 was a mistake.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I don’t think they should’ve blitzed but rushing 3 was a mistake.

 

Meh. I understand the call. They wanted the flood the zones and allow Tremaine to defend the sticks. It didn't work and it is fair you can second guess any playcall that didn't work, of course you can. You want all of those back. But I didn't think it was the wrong call at the time. The Dolphins made a play against inexperienced players. It happens. 

[mjt328]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I am considered I think as a defender of coaching and a blamer of player's execution. But believe me when I say if he had blitzed on that play and got beat I'd have been killing (figuratively of course) him for it. When we gave up the game winner in Tampa on a stupid blitz in overtime I absolutely put that on Leslie Frazier. It was a stupid call on a 3rd and 3 on their side of the field when they were still not even in FG range without your best corner on the field. 

 

On 3rd and 22 in the NFL you almost always play coverage. When you throw in an inexperienced secondary who by that point had precisely ONE NFL start among four of them prior to the game you absolutely do what you can to protect them in front. What happened on that play is the Dolphins ran a good cover 2 beater, Jaquan Johnson hesitated, gave up inside leverage and the Dolphins got a really fast guy up the seam and made a play. The Bills actually dropped Rousseau almost into Tremaine's position so that Tremaine could drop deeper like an old Tampa 2 MLB and defend the sticks. The other guys get paid too, the Dolphins made a good play and exposed two inexperienced safeties. It happens. It's football. 

 

 

A coaching staff should be judged on the overall body of work.  

Not cherry-picking certain plays that succeeded, and others that didn't.  All while looking in 20/20 hindsight.

 

Part of play-calling is knowing your own strengths/weaknesses.  Part is knowing your opponent's strengths/weaknesses.  Part is knowing the game situation.  Part is trying to outsmart the guy on the other sideline.  It's not an exact science.  Sometimes you guess wrong, and the other team makes a play.  

 

As a whole, Sean McDermott/Leslie Frazier have fielded a Top 5 defense for 4 straight seasons.  During that span, the Bills have had arguably the best past defense in the entire NFL.  They have turned UDFA and late round picks into solid CBs, and no-name free agent signings into All-Pros.  We are lucky to have them.

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

A coaching staff should be judged on the overall body of work.  

Not cherry-picking certain plays that succeeded, and others that didn't.  All while looking in 20/20 hindsight.

 

Part of play-calling is knowing your own strengths/weaknesses.  Part is knowing your opponent's strengths/weaknesses.  Part is knowing the game situation.  Part is trying to outsmart the guy on the other sideline.  It's not an exact science.  Sometimes you guess wrong, and the other team makes a play.  

 

As a whole, Sean McDermott/Leslie Frazier have fielded a Top 5 defense for 4 straight seasons.  During that span, the Bills have had arguably the best past defense in the entire NFL.  They have turned UDFA and late round picks into solid CBs, and no-name free agent signings into All-Pros.  We are lucky to have them.

 

I for the most apart agree entirely, but one point of correction we were not a top 5 defense in 2020. We were in 2018, 2019 and last year. We will be again this year. 

[Billsfan1972]

11 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

A coaching staff should be judged on the overall body of work.  

Not cherry-picking certain plays that succeeded, and others that didn't.  All while looking in 20/20 hindsight.

 

Part of play-calling is knowing your own strengths/weaknesses.  Part is knowing your opponent's strengths/weaknesses.  Part is knowing the game situation.  Part is trying to outsmart the guy on the other sideline.  It's not an exact science.  Sometimes you guess wrong, and the other team makes a play.  

 

As a whole, Sean McDermott/Leslie Frazier have fielded a Top 5 defense for 4 straight seasons.  During that span, the Bills have had arguably the best past defense in the entire NFL.  They have turned UDFA and late round picks into solid CBs, and no-name free agent signings into All-Pros.  We are lucky to have them.

 

No they drafted Allen.....  Like Brady with Belichek(once the Bills won SBs), Allen covers up a lot.  

 

And still he had Peterman penciled in as his #1.  Never will forget that.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

Blaming coaching is the absolute laziest take a sports fan can have.

 

Defensive backs fail to knock the ball down on a Hail Mary?  It's the fault of the coaches!

Receiver jukes around instead of quickly dropping to the ground with 9 seconds left?  It's the fault of the coaches!

Challenge a play that probably won't get overturned?  It's the fault of the head coach!

Don't challenge a play that probably won't get overturned?  It's the fault of the head coach!

 

Every time a play call doesn't work... they were being too conservative.  Or too aggressive.  Or too predictable.  Or they should have just stuck with what they usually do best.  The last two weeks, everyone was praising us and saying we are totally unstoppable because of #17.  This week we are clueless idiots because we rely too much on Josh Allen carrying the offense.  If a player commits a penalty or makes a mistake... it's always because the coach didn't have them prepared or focused.  Because of course, it's the coach's job to remind the millionaire who has been playing football his entire life not to jump offside or hold on a crucial drive.

 

Now the armchair geniuses are criticizing Leslie Frazier for the 3rd-22.  Because he didn't bring enough pressure.  Even though the Bills had the highest pressure rate in the entire NFL with hardly any blitzes through two weeks AND had a totally inexperienced secondary.  Of course if he blitzed and got burned, we would be hearing how stupid he was to leave our backup DBs alone against the fastest WRs in the league on such a crucial play.  I'm even reading some comparisons to 13 seconds, even though this time we got beat over the top... which is exactly the opposite of what happened in the playoffs.

 

 

Except I didn’t list or mention any of your examples.

 

I listed examples that ARE coaching.

 

It is intellectually dishonest to change the original post to suit your needs.

1 hour ago, cas22 said:

Im gonna disagree here, as a former coach there are 2 ways to coach in that situation, aggressive or safe, McD and Frazier always choose safe, if you depleted at the back end of your defense you don't make them make the play, they should have blitz which would have made TUA get rid of the ball quicker most likely a slant or a out pattern is what he would had to throw, our true strength on this defense is the d-line and we protect it.. we blitzed 1 time and TUA got sacked in a hurry...

 

 we did the same thing against KC with 13 seconds left, rushed 3 and gave the QB time, thats the key time, the reason we lost Sunday was because Allen was getting blitzed on every play, it disrupted his throws and it showed, the were aggressive and won we play safe on defense...and lost...      

 

I see your point but I don’t necessarily have a problem with him not blitzing in that situation.

 

My problem was him playing shallow coverage with 10 out of 11 defensive players playing in front of the first down marker.

 

It made it easy for the Dolphins to have not 1, but 2 wide open receivers past the marker.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, cas22 said:

again gonna have to disagree here, our defense didn't shut anyone down, the offense kept there offense off the feild  40 minutes of possession is why Hill looked like *****.. it wasn't the defense that shut them down. 

 

This is an excellent point.

 

The Dolphins had less total yards but that’s because our offense wouldn’t let them get on the field.

 

The Dolphins averaged the same yards per play we did (5.4 vs 5.5).

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:

#1 in point differential last season, #5 in 2020 and shaping up for a top 5 finish this season. Horrible coach I tell ya, HORRIBLE

 

Last season and the year before doesn't matter anymore.  It is what you do now that does, as in this season.      

 

This is the problem after the 17 straight years of missing the playoffs.  Being a perennial playoff team and being relevant (i.e. getting national attention) has now become satisfactory.  But to stay in the conversation it's gonna take getting to the SB, not falling in another divisional game.  

 

Because going from being a ~.500 team and making the playoffs is a lot smaller leap than it is to go from playoff team to a SB contender.    

 

Right now, this coaching staff is showing their vision for how to play football is flawed in some respects.  They turtle when the big moment arrives and that's on the HC and his staff.  

[teef]

it's 3 games in you stupid *****.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

it's 3 games in you stupid *****.

 

Complainers when the Bills win.

 

Complainers after a Bills loss.

 

[ScottLaw]

10 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Yeah man.  We haven’t been able to score the last few years.  Its been a real problem.

Guess you missed the point.

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, teef said:

it's 3 games in you stupid *****.

 

Its 5 years of McD.

 

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Guess you missed the point.

 

I had to ignore Royale With Cheese. He is not interested in critical thinking or rational debate. He only wants to mock posters for not agreeing with him.

 

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Edited September 27, 2022 by Einstein

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Guess you missed the point.

 

No I didn't.  We have a great offense.  We aren't perfect, like no offense is.  The #1 stat is points per game in which we are at the top.

We are also at the top of several offensive categories but you're going to find one that we struggle with and tell us over and over and over again.  

 

You get more aggressive with your negativity after a loss but pretty silent after a win.  I wonder why that is.

[teef]

15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Complainers when the Bills win.

 

Complainers after a Bills loss.

 

after two winning games, we had poster who were complaining that they couldn't complain.  that's all you have to know.

14 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Its 5 years of McD.

 

 

 

 

 

yes.  and?