Poor coaching by McDermott is becoming a theme

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’d guess they’ll be close to last in YAC yet again… and the offensive line is still a problem(even before the injuries) as it was for much of last year…. But that’s what happens when you essentially do the bare minimum to make it better… Perhaps Spencer Brown gets better throughout the season and learns how to pass block because he sucks at it like most of last season…. And Saffold looks old and washed. 

 

Hart blows. 

Yeah man.  We haven’t been able to score the last few years.  Its been a real problem.

[Scott7975]

11 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

They’re definitely not without fault! I didn’t like Frazier’s 3rd and 22 call, rushing 3 and dropping 8 into coverage - but only 2 inexperienced safeties deep. If you go back and look at the replay, there were no corners back to help and two receivers breaking open deep. If Tua wanted to hold the ball even longer, he could’ve had a guaranteed TD with the way the Bills D was split. I just wish Frazier would STOP with the conservative play calling. It’s proven time and time again to give up big plays in crucial moments. As I said, they’re not a poorly coached team, but that doesn’t mean they don’t make boneheaded play calls from time to time.

 

This I agree with.  Get pressure on Tua and force him to throw short.  Trust your guys to make a tackle within 22 damn yards.

[John from Riverside]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Albert Einstein was called a lunatic among other things well before he was called a genius. 

My friend you are not Albert Einstein I highly doubt that Einstein was one of these hindsight types that you have portrayed yourself to be

[QCity]

7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

We only ran out of time in the first half and second. 

 

4th and 1 at the Miami 36 in the first quarter and he burns a timeout. That is not good. It came back to bite them of course.

[NewEra]

53 minutes ago, syhuang said:

on a related note, is there a way to hide threads created by certain users? 

Yes-  mouse over their name and right click will bring up the option iirc.  I’m on mobile 99.9% of the time.  Only on desktop to use the ignore function.  

52 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Yeah man.  We haven’t been able to score the last few years.  Its been a real problem.

We have to keep up with the chiefs.  The team that scored 17 vs the 0-1-1 colts.  

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I would take Sean Payton over McD in a heartbeat. 

 

Last time Sean Payton did anything that McD hasnt done was 2009.

[John from Riverside]

I can’t believe this joke of a thread has made it to 28 pages

[LABILLBACKER]

50 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

This I agree with.  Get pressure on Tua and force him to throw short.  Trust your guys to make a tackle within 22 damn yards.

There's a reason Leslie will probably never get hired as a HC.  Besides his obvious ultra conservative style, his obsession with "prevent" in long yardage situations has burned this team multiple times. 13 seconds was classic Frazier, as was 3rd & 22. He hates to blitz even though he has above avg DE pass rushers everywhere. When 4 of the 8 you drop in coverage are green, put your faith in the Dline Sean drafted.  It was an insanely stupid call. 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There's a reason Leslie will probably never get hired as a HC.  Besides his obvious ultra conservative style, his obsession with "prevent" in long yardage situations has burned this team multiple times. 13 seconds was classic Frazier, as was 3rd & 22. He hates to blitz even though he has above avg DE pass rushers everywhere. When 4 of the 8 you drop in coverage are green, put your faith in the Dline Sean drafted.  It was an insanely stupid call. 

I have to admit that third and 22 conversion had me cussing at my TV

[JayBaller10]

9 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There's a reason Leslie will probably never get hired as a HC.  Besides his obvious ultra conservative style, his obsession with "prevent" in long yardage situations has burned this team multiple times. 13 seconds was classic Frazier, as was 3rd & 22. He hates to blitz even though he has above avg DE pass rushers everywhere. When 4 of the 8 you drop in coverage are green, put your faith in the Dline Sean drafted.  It was an insanely stupid call. 

Stretches back to the 3rd and 18 the Texans converted in the playoffs in OT. Frazier had the defense SO FAR BACK that when Watson threw the ball and the guy caught it after 7-8 yards, he ran untouched until he reached the first down marker. Imagine having your players so far back that no one is in position to tackle a guy until he picks up 19 yards? You’d think he learn, but 13 seconds and now 3rd and 22 says he hasn’t.

 

Bills at Texans 2019 Playoffs (17:00 min mark)

[AlfaBill]

On 9/25/2022 at 3:51 PM, FieldGeneral said:

0-7 in close games since last season isn't good. 

Overrated stat. The Bills are winning at a .650 the past 3 seasons. They are a serious playoff machine. Who cares if they lose a close game now and then when they’re winning way more than they lose. They win big and never get blown out even when they lose they are in it. That’s the underlying message. In fact I’d bet that if someone took a look at our wins over the past few years they’d see a close game going into the late stages of the game(4th Q on) and see a one score game. That is until the Bills blow up in the 4th and make it a multiple score win. Does that not qualify? Would a close game mean 1 score going to the two minute warning? What about JA being Mr 4th quarter 2 years ago? Most people would complain that they should’ve put the game away earlier. Now they do and that is not enough. Try watching golf it might help you relax 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

but on first and goal from the two, it's on the coaches.   

 

I didn't love the Allen run call down there. That was a bad call. Shotgun runs in that situation always baffle me. But the coaches did call a touchdown play on 4th down that Josh just missed. 

[Bronxbomber21]

I would've like to see the play action bootleg with the option to pass or run right there

[ArtVandalay]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

There's a reason Leslie will probably never get hired as a HC.  Besides his obvious ultra conservative style, his obsession with "prevent" in long yardage situations has burned this team multiple times. 13 seconds was classic Frazier, as was 3rd & 22. He hates to blitz even though he has above avg DE pass rushers everywhere. When 4 of the 8 you drop in coverage are green, put your faith in the Dline Sean drafted.  It was an insanely stupid call. 

Nothing more infuriating on Sunday than seeing the Bills still have not learned from 13 seconds.  The coaching staff is stubborn and stuck in their ways and not progressing. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I wanted to post Travis Kelces 2 point conversion. 

 

Catch or no catch ? Notice he even drops it at the end.  

 

Those that say the challenge absolutely wouldn't have succeeded are wrong. We just don't know for sure.

 

My apologies I could not figure out how to share the video directly 

 

https://www.chiefs.com/video/two-points-patrick-mahomes-finds-travis-kelce-on-two-point-conversion

[mjt328]

Blaming coaching is the absolute laziest take a sports fan can have.

 

Defensive backs fail to knock the ball down on a Hail Mary?  It's the fault of the coaches!

Receiver jukes around instead of quickly dropping to the ground with 9 seconds left?  It's the fault of the coaches!

Challenge a play that probably won't get overturned?  It's the fault of the head coach!

Don't challenge a play that probably won't get overturned?  It's the fault of the head coach!

 

Every time a play call doesn't work... they were being too conservative.  Or too aggressive.  Or too predictable.  Or they should have just stuck with what they usually do best.  The last two weeks, everyone was praising us and saying we are totally unstoppable because of #17.  This week we are clueless idiots because we rely too much on Josh Allen carrying the offense.  If a player commits a penalty or makes a mistake... it's always because the coach didn't have them prepared or focused.  Because of course, it's the coach's job to remind the millionaire who has been playing football his entire life not to jump offside or hold on a crucial drive.

 

Now the armchair geniuses are criticizing Leslie Frazier for the 3rd-22.  Because he didn't bring enough pressure.  Even though the Bills had the highest pressure rate in the entire NFL with hardly any blitzes through two weeks AND had a totally inexperienced secondary.  Of course if he blitzed and got burned, we would be hearing how stupid he was to leave our backup DBs alone against the fastest WRs in the league on such a crucial play.  I'm even reading some comparisons to 13 seconds, even though this time we got beat over the top... which is exactly the opposite of what happened in the playoffs.

 

Edited September 27, 2022 by mjt328

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

Blaming coaching is the absolute laziest take a sports fan can have.

 

Defensive backs fail to knock the ball down on a Hail Mary?  It's the fault of the coaches!

Receiver jukes around instead of quickly dropping to the ground with 9 seconds left?  It's the fault of the coaches!

Challenge a play that probably won't get overturned?  It's the fault of the head coach!

Don't challenge a play that probably won't get overturned?  It's the fault of the head coach!

 

Every time a play call doesn't work... they were being too conservative.  Or too aggressive.  Or too predictable.  Or they should have just stuck with what they usually do best.  The last two weeks, everyone was praising us and saying we are totally unstoppable because of #17.  This week we are clueless idiots because we rely too much on Josh Allen carrying the offense.  If a player commits a penalty or makes a mistake... it's always because the coach didn't have them prepared or focused.  Because of course, it's the coach's job to remind the millionaire who has been playing football his entire life not to jump offside or hold on a crucial drive.

 

Now the armchair geniuses are criticizing Leslie Frazier for the 3rd-22.  Because he didn't bring enough pressure.  Even though the Bills had the highest pressure rate in the entire NFL with hardly any blitzes through two weeks AND had a totally inexperienced secondary.  Of course if he blitzed and got burned, we would be hearing how stupid he was to leave our backup DBs alone against the fastest WRs in the league on such a crucial play.  I'm even reading some comparisons to 13 seconds, even though this time we got beat over the top... which is exactly the opposite of what happened in the playoffs.

 

Your examples could be used as examples of poor coaching.  

[PromoTheRobot]

Yes, a hallmark of teams this good is bad coaching. 😂

[cas22]

On 9/26/2022 at 5:05 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Beane has built a talented roster, no doubt. But I think the continued issues on the offensive line are absolutely a Beane thing. In 4 of our last 7 defeats the offense has had the ball at the end in Josh Allen's hands with a chance to win the game - Tennessee, Jacksonville, New England and yesterday (you could even add Tampa in there as a touchdown on that final drive instead of a FG wins us the game) - and we haven't got it done on any of those occasions.

• In Tennessee the offensive line got blown up on the sneak;
• In Jacksonville Allen was under duress the entire drive and sacked on the final 3rd down knocking us out of FG range;
• Against the Pats we turned 1st and 10 at the NE 13 into 3rd and 14 with a false start and then Allen was harassed on both 3rd and 4th down causing incompletions;
• Yesterday Allen was under duress that entire drive and then Quessenberry took a holding penalty that knocked us out of FG range. 

In the NFL there are going to be close games. It is the nature of parity. The Bills have an exceptional record of blowing teams out but when you have Josh Allen and in a close game he has the ball last that, frankly, is all you can wish for. That we haven't got it done on so many occasions (only the Colts and the Chiefs playoff game of our last 7 losses as the offense not had a chance at the end of the game to win it for us) is a real outlier for a team with an elite QB. And I'm afraid the pattern there is very clear. With all the chips in the middle of the table in those end of game situations we suffer protection breakdown after protection breakdown. 

 

You can put that on coaching if you like. But two OCs, two OL coaches... repeating pattern. The blocking ain't up to snuff. 

 

 

Almost every single team on 3rd and 22 with an inexperienced secondary is playing coverage. Okay, it didn't work, Jaquan got burned. I get it. But Leslie Frazier did an excellent job with the pieces he had yesterday. He put his young players in position to make the most of what they had. They give up one play and everyone goes mad about the playcall. 

 

And the reason Leslie Frazier is not a true consideration for a head coach job is because he has had his shot, is in his 60s and is a defensive guy when the league is going to offense. I wouldn't hire him as a HC either. But as a DC? He is one of the best in the business. 

 

 

 

 

Im gonna disagree here, as a former coach there are 2 ways to coach in that situation, aggressive or safe, McD and Frazier always choose safe, if you depleted at the back end of your defense you don't make them make the play, they should have blitz which would have made TUA get rid of the ball quicker most likely a slant or a out pattern is what he would had to throw, our true strength on this defense is the d-line and we protect it.. we blitzed 1 time and TUA got sacked in a hurry...

 

 we did the same thing against KC with 13 seconds left, rushed 3 and gave the QB time, thats the key time, the reason we lost Sunday was because Allen was getting blitzed on every play, it disrupted his throws and it showed, the were aggressive and won we play safe on defense...and lost...      

[mjt328]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Your examples could be used as examples of poor coaching.  

 

That's why it's such a lazy take.

People literally use everything as an example of poor coaching.

 

If players make mistakes.  They weren't focused, and it's the coaches fault.

If players just play bad.  They weren't prepared, and it's the coaches fault.

Any play call that doesn't work is stupid, and they should have done the opposite thing.

 

 

Our defense made Tyreek Hill invisible on Sunday and pretty much shut-down the Dolphins offense, with a secondary consisting of rookies Kaiir Elam, Christian Benford and Ja'marcus Ingram at cornerback, along with Jaquan Johnson and Damar Hamlin at safety.  Everyone figured they would put up 30+ on us, and they needed a strip-sack to hit 21.  It was a very impressive performance.  But the only thing I'm reading is the one play where we got burned.  Because like I said... Lezlie Frazier should have just done the opposite thing of what he did.