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36 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

This is an excellent point.

 

The Dolphins had less total yards but that’s because our offense wouldn’t let them get on the field.

 

The Dolphins averaged the same yards per play we did (5.4 vs 5.5).

 

Is it though? The dolphins offense were in fact on the field during the game and the defense did this. That was pretty impressive given the status of the defense.

 

Punt 2:26

TD (off Josh Allen Fumble from 6 yard line) 1:36

TD 5:14

Punt 2:09

Punt 1:58

Punt 1:40

TD 4:04

Punt 0:13

 

Edit, I'll just add the drive times bc it shows the defense got the Miami offense off the field quickly.

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36 minutes ago, teef said:

after two winning games, we had poster who were complaining that they couldn't complain.  that's all you have to know.

yes.  and?  

 

And…….. we are the Super Bowl favorites. WE SUCK!!!

 

 

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7 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Is it though? The dolphins offense were in fact on the field during the game and the defense did this. That was pretty impressive given the status of the defense.

 

Punt 2:26

TD (off Josh Allen Fumble from 6 yard line) 1:36

TD 5:14

Punt 2:09

Punt 1:58

Punt 1:40

TD 4:04

Punt 0:13

 

Edit, I'll just add the drive times bc it shows the defense got the Miami offense off the field quickly.

 

Allen double clutched with his foot on that 4th down pass to McKenzie.  I wonder if his legs just gave or something.  

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For those defending the play call on 3rd and 22, I most certainly wasn’t advocating for a blitz, but to rush 3 and ONLY have two inexperienced safeties deep against the fastest pair of wide outs in the league is indefensible. I criticize the call because of its timid approach. Rush four, play 2 safeties deep and have your corners play off coverage against their two star wide outs. Whatever you want to do with the remaining 3 coverage players, fine, but that was an incredibly dumb play call on 3rd and 22. Whatever. It’s over. But I’m sure the ultra conservative, timid approach will happen again this season at some point.

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8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I didn't love the Allen run call down there. That was a bad call. Shotgun runs in that situation always baffle me. But the coaches did call a touchdown play on 4th down that Josh just missed. 

Agree.  They can't rely on Josh as part of the running game.  It isn't as effective as it was, and it's something that all teams are prepared for in the red zone now.  On improvised scrambles, sure, but every team is looking for those option plays down there.   Plus, it's clear that they're trying to run him less, and he's sliding more, and that's all necessary as he matures.  They need an effective, standard running game, which is what supports your argument that the real problem is that they continue to allocated too few resources to the offensive line.  They thought that they had enough talent for Kromer to work with, but so far that seems to be incorrect. 

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5 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

For those defending the play call on 3rd and 22, I most certainly wasn’t advocating for a blitz, but to rush 3 and ONLY have two inexperienced safeties deep against the fastest pair of wide outs in the league is indefensible. I criticize the call because of its timid approach. Rush four, play 2 safeties deep and have your corners play off coverage against their two star wide outs. Whatever you want to do with the remaining 3 coverage players, fine, but that was an incredibly dumb play call on 3rd and 22. Whatever. It’s over. But I’m sure the ultra conservative, timid approach will happen again this season at some point.

It's a recurring theme and what's troubling is the pattern of repeating the same type of error in the face of overwhelming evidence that the strategy is faulty and ineffective at the most critical moments. 

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4 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

For those defending the play call on 3rd and 22, I most certainly wasn’t advocating for a blitz, but to rush 3 and ONLY have two inexperienced safeties deep against the fastest pair of wide outs in the league is indefensible. I criticize the call because of its timid approach. Rush four, play 2 safeties deep and have your corners play off coverage against their two star wide outs. Whatever you want to do with the remaining 3 coverage players, fine, but that was an incredibly dumb play call on 3rd and 22. Whatever. It’s over. But I’m sure the ultra conservative, timid approach will happen again this season at some point.


Since Beane and Frazier have been together, that is the very first time a team has gotten a 1st down on a 1st and 20+ 

 

It happens. The fact that the secondary they patched together only gave up one big play is remarkable 

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3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

For those defending the play call on 3rd and 22, I most certainly wasn’t advocating for a blitz, but to rush 3 and ONLY have two inexperienced safeties deep against the fastest pair of wide outs in the league is indefensible. I criticize the call because of its timid approach. Rush four, play 2 safeties deep and have your corners play off coverage against their two star wide outs. Whatever you want to do with the remaining 3 coverage players, fine, but that was an incredibly dumb play call on 3rd and 22. Whatever. It’s over. But I’m sure the ultra conservative, timid approach will happen again this season at some point.

And that is the problem. 3rd and 22 4th Qtr 11:37 to go ball on Miami 48. First down is at the BUF 30. The Bills lead 17-14. 

 

What was the thinking? Drop a DL to spy on the outlet pass or QB sneak. I believe Rousseau dropped into coverage. McDaniels dialed up a great play that split our safeties. Cover 1 offered a great analysis on this play. Tua is not running for it, and our LBs should be able to prevent any dump off. A FG ties it, ad TD was the worst possible outcome. Rule #1 with Miami, don't let them get over the top. 

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15 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:


Since Beane and Frazier have been together, that is the very first time a team has gotten a 1st down on a 1st and 20+ 

 

It happens. The fact that the secondary they patched together only gave up one big play is remarkable 

The secondary played admirably and I commend them for it, but that playcall did them no favors. I suppose I would’nt be as upset if it was the first conservative approach that the Bills have been beaten on, but to see the pattern over and over in big moments is what has me at a loss. Ask yourself this, could you imagine being a defensive coordinator who’s playing the Bills and you rush 3 against a 3rd and 20+ while only leaving your two inexperienced safeties deep? I think everyone here would thank that defensive coordinator for the gift - you’ve just afforded Allen all the time in the world to hit Diggs or Davis over the top - but because it’s Frazier and he’s employed by the Bills, he gets more leeway.

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39 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Is it though? The dolphins offense were in fact on the field during the game and the defense did this. That was pretty impressive given the status of the defense.

 

Punt 2:26

TD (off Josh Allen Fumble from 6 yard line) 1:36

TD 5:14

Punt 2:09

Punt 1:58

Punt 1:40

TD 4:04

Punt 0:13

 

Edit, I'll just add the drive times bc it shows the defense got the Miami offense off the field quickly.

 

The Dolphins averaged the same yards per play we did (5.4 vs 5.5).

 

There is no getting around that. It’s a fact. 

 

They also scored more points than our offense.

 

I would say the biggest difference in drives is that the Bills went for 3 fourth downs. Dolphins elected to punt in those situations instead.

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Just now, JayBaller10 said:

The secondary played admirably and I commend them for it, but that playcall did them no favors. I suppose I would’nt be as upset if it was the first conservative approach that the Bills have been beaten on, but to see the pattern over and over in big moments is what has me at a loss. Ask yourself this, could you imagine being a defensive coordinator who’s playing the Bills and you rush 3 against a 3rd and 20+ while only leaving your two inexperienced safeties deep? I think everyone here would thank that defensive coordinator for the gift, but because it’s Frazier and he’s employed by the Bills, he gets more leeway.


Sorry, but I’m just going to agree to disagree here. Frazier and McDermott know what they are doing and their track record in how their defenses have played in Buffalo are proof of that. Big plays are going to happen and they happen to every team. Sometimes they happen in big moments. That is football.

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19 hours ago, MJS said:

Then you are drunk. There is a 0.0% chance that McDermott will be on the hot seat after this year if they don't make the superbowl.

 

You clearly do not follow the league. You suffer from Bills myopia.

 

McDermott is already getting heat from some of the biggest national media figures (Cowherd, Florio)...after ONE LOSS.

 

When you're the head coach of the Super Bowl favorites the pressure is on you. And people aren't going to forget 13 seconds. 

 

You don't live in reality if you think McDermott's seat won't be scorching hot if he falls short of expectations. 

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8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The Dolphins averaged the same yards per play we did (5.4 vs 5.5).

 

There is no getting around that. It’s a fact. 

 

They also scored more points than our offense.

 

I would say the biggest difference in drives is that the Bills went for 3 fourth downs. Dolphins elected to punt in those situations instead.

 

I guess I am not understanding why yards per play for our offense has anything to do with our depleted defense holding the vaunted dolphins offensive with "the 2 best receivers" to short drives resulting in punts? It was impressive regardless of a comparison to how our offense did?

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3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:


Sorry, but I’m just going to agree to disagree here. Frazier and McDermott know what they are doing and their track record in how their defenses have played in Buffalo are proof of that. Big plays are going to happen and they happen to every team. Sometimes they happen in big moments. That is football.

 

The problem is that the big plays against this defense happen at crucial moments, whether it's the playoffs in KC or moments that swing the momentum for good like Miami last week.

 

This is why I maintain this team is never going to the promised land with McDermott. This defense always looks great on paper in terms of the overall stats, but it simply doesn't work when it matters most. And situational football awareness is simply not something McD can handle.

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2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

McDermott is already getting heat from some of the biggest national media figures (Cowherd, Florio)...after ONE LOSS.

 

When you're the head coach of the Super Bowl favorites the pressure is on you. And people aren't going to forget 13 seconds. 

 

You don't live in reality if you think McDermott's seat won't be scorching hot if he falls short of expectations. 

 

National talking heads dont have anything to do with how hot mcdermott's seat will get. They can talk about it all they want, McDermott isn't going anywhere so long as we continue to compete deep into the playoffs.

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Meh. I understand the call. They wanted the flood the zones and allow Tremaine to defend the sticks. It didn't work and it is fair you can second guess any playcall that didn't work, of course you can. You want all of those back. But I didn't think it was the wrong call at the time. The Dolphins made a play against inexperienced players. It happens. 

This is fair… however the 4th and 4 FG attempt up by three is classic McD having absolutely no feel for the game….anyone with a pulse watching that game could sense they needed 7 there to put the game away. 6 point lead felt like nothing… and Bass missed the kick anyway.

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8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The Dolphins averaged the same yards per play we did (5.4 vs 5.5).

 

There is no getting around that. It’s a fact. 

 

They also scored more points than our offense.

 

I would say the biggest difference in drives is that the Bills went for 3 fourth downs. Dolphins elected to punt in those situations instead.

 

You're nitpicking one stat...yards per play.  Why is that a strong argument?  The Ravens averaged almost a full yard more per play than the Dolphins and still lost.

 

Of course they punted.  They stalled them on 4 drives and we weren't getting stalled.  We ran 90 offensive plays.

- First punt was at their own 35.  

- 2nd punt was 4th and 10.

- The 1 yard line

- 4th and 11

 

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3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This is fair… however the 4th and 4 FG attempt up by three is classic McD having absolutely no feel for the game….anyone with a pulse watching that game could sense they needed 7 there to put the game away. 6 point lead felt like nothing… and Bass missed the kick anyway.

 

Yea I said at the time in the Game Day thread I thought they should have gone for that. 

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3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Based on what?

 

The fact the Pegulas are absolutely committed to him. Their history of hiring competent coaches across two teams is extremely thin. They have hired one - Sean McDermott. He is not getting fired this year with another playoff season even if it is another gut wrenching playoff loss. 

 

The only way he is fired after this season is the team having a losing record. And even then if it is because we lose 10 or 11 starters to injury he will be safe. 

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