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2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I get that is what he believes… your missing the point some of us are making… we are saying it is that belief or strategy that is flawed. 
 

3 day 2 picks of RBs in four years is WAY too rich for my blood for a team who’s got Josh Allen as it’s QB. 

 

Maybe Scott but I'm willing to wait 2 more years to the expiration of Singletary and Moss' contracts before I make a final judgement.

 

2 hours ago, Airseven said:

Judging rounds 1-4, Beane has been about average for his classes. Bonus points for taking a franchise QB but relatively even on hits/misses.

 

Top tier (hits) - Allen, T. Johnson, Oliver, Knox, Davis

Bust tier (misses) - Phillips, Ford, Epenesa, Moss, Basham

Mid tier (debatable/TBD) - Edmunds, Singletary, Rousseau, Brown

 

I knock him for 2022 - trading up for Elam was questionable, RB in 2nd rd was questionable (bonus points for trading down), and Bernard remains a head-scratcher especially in light of OL needs.

 

For his five drafts I'd go B-/C+.

 

 

 

You say Beane is "relatively even on hits/misses in rounds 1-4." Please don't take offense but IMO this sort of analysis is meaningless until compared to all other teams. And to be accurate it should be a data-driven study taking into account many values (i.e.- 74rd overall pick started 40 games in 3 seasons, 5th in rushing yards from 2019-2021, etc). So to fairly rank every teams draft, every player in that draft should be graded and then their totals aggregated and then compared to the other teams drafts that year.

 

1 hour ago, Comebackkid said:

What I never understood about Moss was the fact he isn't that much different than singletary size wise.   I think he had 10lbs and 2 inches on him when drafted.   If your going to go with a change of pace bruiser go full bruiser.    

 

I see both sides of it. On one hand if you have an all-purpose back you're not tipping your hand as far as the play call. On the other hand If you can't clone Derrick Henry, it would be really nice having someone like a D'Onta Foreman to use as a sledge hammer.

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5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

More a question of strategy… No question they have a very good roster, but the high allocation to certain positions over others is where some fans are slightly skeptical.

Same goes for every team in every sport ever.  

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7 hours ago, finn said:

Don't you think he's a bit light for a full-time back? 

Cook will be the featured back at some point.  Prolly not this year.  He has first step and pull away blur speed, cuts like Marshawn, vision like Thurman, and did I mention faster than LeSean?  BTW, he’ll be better than CJ. They will bring him along slowly due to blocking.  By playoffs and SB he’ll be the new wrinkle that opponents can’t solve and will have Bills faithful dancing on Chippewah!!!

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1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

You say Beane is "relatively even on hits/misses in rounds 1-4." Please don't take offense but IMO this sort of analysis is meaningless until compared to all other teams. And to be accurate it should be a data-driven study taking into account many values (i.e.- 74rd overall pick started 40 games in 3 seasons, 5th in rushing yards from 2019-2021, etc). So to fairly rank every teams draft, every player in that draft should be graded and then their totals aggregated and then compared to the other teams drafts that year.

 

That analysis has been done and Beane is solidly top 10 and indeed top 5 by most models. I think the slight knock on him before last season was Allen apart where were his stars but Oliver and Knox breaking out to a degree last year kind somewhat banishes those questions. And on day 3 in particular Beane's record against his peers is exceptional.

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8 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:


Many of us were disappointed with the positional value AT THE TIME and were even more disappointed when Beane doubled down the following year.  It is easy to say in retrospect, in a vacuum, well Moss and Singletary are at least competent players while plenty of WRs and DEs picked after them busted out - but if you extrapolate it out over time as a STRATEGY, you will go broke with that type of asset allocation approach.  You cannot use high picks on easily-replaceable assets, especially when the Bills aren’t even trying to focus their offense around an elite running back/game (nor should they).  Even when those picks “hit,” you’re stuck deciding whether to pay them big $$ on a second contract, where much cheaper replacements can be found in FA or the 6th round.  Folks are gonna lose their minds next offseason if they decide to pay Singletary and have to release or pass on more valuable veterans as a result - and that’s precisely the issue.  Was four years of Motor worth the high draft investment?

 

It's a valid question but, for me, a little too granular.

 

We can hyperanalyze Beane's hit and misses but the fundamental truth is that he's built the best roster since Polian was here.  

 

All GMs make mistakes - player evaluation is not an exact science.  But Beane's overall body of work has been strong.

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I like the Cook pick only because I am hoping he becomes a passing weapon for Josh that can get good YAC.  However, I am also in the camp of we spend too many resources on RB.  The running backs on the roster are good enough to keep a defense honest and thats all this offense needs.  I really hope Cook excells as a passing weapon in this offense.  Otherwise, I think it was a terrible pick.

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5 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

That has Nothing to do with my question. 


Lol what?  Nothing to do with it?  I have no idea if that particular poster vocally complained AT THE TIME that they passed on Terry McLauren.  I am telling you many of us were vocal about wanting better positional value with Day 1 and 2 picks.  That has EVERYTHING to do with your question.  What are you doing.

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1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:


Lol what?  Nothing to do with it?  I have no idea if that particular poster vocally complained AT THE TIME that they passed on Terry McLauren.  I am telling you many of us were vocal about wanting better positional value with Day 1 and 2 picks.  That has EVERYTHING to do with your question.  What are you doing.

 

 

My question was, and remains, "If I recall correctly he was viewed as a 3rd round pick, by many/most.  Were you vocally upset the Bills didn't pick him AT THE TIME?"  That was my question IN ITS ENTIRETY.  I never even commented on whether I thought picking an RB was a good or bad move. I simply asked a direct question. As you don't know that answer, you did NOTHING to answer the question.  I have no clue how you thought you addressed that.

 

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34 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

My question was, and remains, "If I recall correctly he was viewed as a 3rd round pick, by many/most.  Were you vocally upset the Bills didn't pick him AT THE TIME?"  That was my question IN ITS ENTIRETY.  I never even commented on whether I thought picking an RB was a good or bad move. I simply asked a direct question. As you don't know that answer, you did NOTHING to answer the question.  I have no clue how you thought you addressed that.

 


Gotcha - sounds like you should’ve posed your question to him via a DM, instead of on a public message board since it has NOTHING to do with the topic being discussed in this thread, or the price of Gouda in Amsterdam.

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7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:


Gotcha - sounds like you should’ve posed your question to him via a DM, instead of on a public message board since it has NOTHING to do with the topic being discussed in this thread, or the price of Gouda in Amsterdam.

 

Maybe. But it was a direct question to what he posted. Should he have DM'd the comment? Not quite sure of your point.

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24 minutes ago, ganesh said:

How did a "Bills Cuts" thread morph into a debate on our Running Backs and drafting of them!

 

Welcome to TBD.😂 And be thankful it didn't turn into a Edmunds thread. Or perhaps a Zach Ertz thread.

 

D'Oh!  I just screwed up. :doh:

 

Definitely isn't the first time and probably not the last.

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On 9/1/2022 at 9:17 PM, 4merper4mer said:

Can you name a current team that meets your standards for success as an overall team, success at the RB position and an RB stable which has had a proper amount of resource expenditure?  

@ScottLaw Has not answering this made it easier for you to continue to whine?

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1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

@ScottLaw Has not answering this made it easier for you to continue to whine?

It’s a message board dude… it’s an opinion(that’s been backed up by evidence from certain teams)  that you don’t need to spend the resources they’ve spent at the position to win… especially the Bills who have an elite QB… I mean look at the Chiefs SB season as an example. They had a washed Lesean McCoy and Damien Williams as their premier backs.

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3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It’s a message board dude… it’s an opinion(that’s been backed up by evidence from certain teams)  that you don’t need to spend the resources they’ve spent at the position to win… especially the Bills who have an elite QB… I mean look at the Chiefs SB season as an example. They had a washed Lesean McCoy and Damien Williams as their premier backs.

 

I agree on not spending the resources the Bills have but the Chiefs did spend a 3rd on Kareem Hunt in 2017 and a 1st on CEH in 2020

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14 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I agree on not spending the resources the Bills have but the Chiefs did spend a 3rd on Kareem Hunt in 2017 and a 1st on CEH in 2020

How’d that work out? Specifically the 1st on CEH?… waste of a 1st round pick.

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

How’d that work out? Specifically the 1st on CEH?… waste of a 1st round pick.

Yet they still did and many teams still do.  Again, I dont like the use of resources either.  Im just saying that the Bills arent the only ones to do so.  Even Andy Reid believes RBs are important... and they are.  Just not as important as they use to be.

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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

Yet they still did and many teams still do.  Again, I dont like the use of resources either.  Im just saying that the Bills arent the only ones to do so.  Even Andy Reid believes RBs are important... and they are.  Just not as important as they use to be.

I never said the Bills were the only team to do it… just pointing out the Bills have used some valuable picks there 3 of the last 4 years and it doesn’t seem to be the smartest use of those resources as evidence by the league the last several years and how easy it is to find a plug and play back. 

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12 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It’s a message board dude… it’s an opinion(that’s been backed up by evidence from certain teams)  that you don’t need to spend the resources they’ve spent at the position to win… especially the Bills who have an elite QB… I mean look at the Chiefs SB season as an example. They had a washed Lesean McCoy and Damien Williams as their premier backs.

Current team was the request.  There are 31 other teams.  You picked one team from 3 years ago who subsequently spent a first on an RB.  So you say you have evidence from other teams yet you can’t cite a single one?  Where’s the evidence?  An opinion is fine but if you say it’s backed up by evidence then discuss the evidence.

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