Sunday Ticket Negotiations

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, The Dean said:

 

I hope Amazon gets it, as then I won't have to subscribe to another service. But my bet is on Google, to drive their YouTube TV operation.  I don't get the NFL Network, so signed up for the YouTube TV trial. Stream was flawless!

 

 

 

The blackout rules are no longer. NO local games are blacked out from their local market. (That's what the blackout rules were.)  If the game is on the NFL Network how is it "blacked out"? It's available to 100% of the country.  Now if you don't have the NFL Network, you can't see it. Just like if you live in a rural area, don't have cable, and can't get the over the air signal from the broadcast station that carries the game. The game IS available to you, but you may have to do some work, and spend some money, as well.

 

Any game on the NFL Network or ESPN is also broadcast on the local station that bids the highest. So I'm sure the game was on a local broadcast station in Buffalo in Miami. But not all the markets that typically get those teams are the "local market".

I mean “blacked out” in the sense that you have to watch a local game on a local station. If you pull up the Sunday ticket channel for the game that is locally shown, it is blacked out on that Sunday ticket channel and says you must turn to the local station. 
 

that’s no problem to do now. But how are we supposed to flip back and forth from a streamed Sunday ticket channel on Amazon to a local channel?  It may seem like a first world problem, but it does diminish the huge benefits of having Sunday ticket— ease of watching a bunch of games at once. 

[IronyAbounds]

Happily, the Bills have solved most of the problems with access to games by being a powerhouse team. I'm in AZ and for the most part never had the Bills available. This season, however, given the Bills marquee status, they have been on in AZ multiple times in addition to the Sunday night, Monday night and Thursday games. Out of 14 games so far I think only 3 haven't been available in AZ.

[BillsFanSD]

I really hope this lands on Amazon.  Partly so I don't have to pay for another streaming service, but mainly because TNF has been really good.  I get that Amazon isn't going to be producing the broadcasts, but maybe they'll put the networks to innovate a little, or provide alternate broadcast/audio options.

[Just Jack]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

that’s no problem to do now. But how are we supposed to flip back and forth from a streamed Sunday ticket channel on Amazon to a local channel?  It may seem like a first world problem, but it does diminish the huge benefits of having Sunday ticket— ease of watching a bunch of games at once. 

 

Remember when TV's came with Picture In Picture?  You would think that with all the different inputs now, they would still offer that.  It was easy to switch between games back when they had it.  

[Sgt. Ski]

20 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I mean “blacked out” in the sense that you have to watch a local game on a local station. If you pull up the Sunday ticket channel for the game that is locally shown, it is blacked out on that Sunday ticket channel and says you must turn to the local station. 
 

that’s no problem to do now. But how are we supposed to flip back and forth from a streamed Sunday ticket channel on Amazon to a local channel?  It may seem like a first world problem, but it does diminish the huge benefits of having Sunday ticket— ease of watching a bunch of games at once. 

Just change inputs

[notwoz]

According to the Wall Street Journal, it appears that Google will be the winner of the Sunday Ticket sweepstakes.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nfl-in-advanced-talks-with-googles-youtube-for-sunday-ticket-rights-deal-11671579236?st=nlrdeuhrw6w692n&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

[QCity]

 

The platform is changing, but it sounds like the price will be the same. The NFL balked at Apple because they wanted to offer it at too low of a price (what is being reported on the interwebz).

[nucci]

42 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

The platform is changing, but it sounds like the price will be the same. The NFL balked at Apple because they wanted to offer it at too low of a price (what is being reported on the interwebz).

Apple wanted to include it with Apple TV subscription. Just wanted to add subscribers. Sucks for us.

[Xwnyer]

1 hour ago, QCity said:

 

The platform is changing, but it sounds like the price will be the same. The NFL balked at Apple because they wanted to offer it at too low of a price (what is being reported on the interwebz).

Will be interesting what the do since YouTube tv supports multiple streaming on one account. NFLST limits one streaming user .

[QCity]

44 minutes ago, nucci said:

Apple wanted to include it with Apple TV subscription. Just wanted to add subscribers. Sucks for us.

 

That's what I'm hearing too. Imaging getting full Sunday Ticket for $6.99 a month? Wow.

[chongli]

 

 

Edited December 21, 2022 by chongli

[The Dean]

3 hours ago, QCity said:

 

The platform is changing, but it sounds like the price will be the same. The NFL balked at Apple because they wanted to offer it at too low of a price (what is being reported on the interwebz).

 

Doesn't sound like Apple.  Glad they didn't get it, though.

[Mango]

Honestly, I was hoping this would go to somebody who would be pushing a more innovative model for pricing and consumption. 
 

I just pay for FuboTV and I have my home zip code set as 14217. I haven’t missed a game yet. I use Kodi on my firestick for other out of market games I care about. 

[chongli]

Fox Sports Radio said earlier today that YouTube TV is like a cable provider. It won't be an add-on package but will be included in their regular package. Right now I think they said YouTube TV is $65 a month. I am not sure if you can get for just 4-5 months then cancel, or if they will require a one-year commitment? You will have to ditch your regular cable or streaming provider, unless you want to pay more.

 

They said Google has to offer a ton of money or they would have stuck with tried and true. They also YouTube TV's goal is to gain a ton of subscribers with this move. Like FOX did in 1994. When they first came into existence in 1987 or 1988, they were a total joke for six years or so....until they got the NFC package.

Edited December 21, 2022 by chongli

[PromoTheRobot]

I'm already a YouTube TV subscriber. Hope they don't charge too much. Also hope they allow ala carte games since the Bills are on national TV so much.

[Billznut]

Google/you tube would have been my last choice to win this bid for the exact reasons Chongji just listed in the article from Fox. If all this is true, this will cost way more than had it gone to Apple TV or Amazon. Sounds like people will now need to commit to YouTube tv for $65/month and then most likely additional cost for Sunday ticket. It will basically be just like it was with DIRECTV. Paying for the monthly service and then throw on 300-400 a year for Sunday ticket. 
 

All the NFL has done now is go from one stupid, costly, unfair business model of streaming NFL games (DIRECTV) to an equally stupid, costly, unfair one (YouTube tv). The only winners here are those who already subscribe to YouTube tv. Everyone else is no better off than when it belonged to DIRECTV 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Billznut

[chongli]

 

[nucci]

5 hours ago, chongli said:

Fox Sports Radio said earlier today that YouTube TV is like a cable provider. It won't be an add-on package but will be included in their regular package. Right now I think they said YouTube TV is $65 a month. I am not sure if you can get for just 4-5 months then cancel, or if they will require a one-year commitment? You will have to ditch your regular cable or streaming provider, unless you want to pay more.

 

They said Google has to offer a ton of money or they would have stuck with tried and true. They also YouTube TV's goal is to gain a ton of subscribers with this move. Like FOX did in 1994. When they first came into existence in 1987 or 1988, they were a total joke for six years or so....until they got the NFC package.

Directv has lost millions of subscribers while still having The Ticket. I just don't think most people will get youtube tv for this. 

[Xwnyer]

On 12/18/2022 at 11:07 AM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I mean “blacked out” in the sense that you have to watch a local game on a local station. If you pull up the Sunday ticket channel for the game that is locally shown, it is blacked out on that Sunday ticket channel and says you must turn to the local station. 
 

that’s no problem to do now. But how are we supposed to flip back and forth from a streamed Sunday ticket channel on Amazon to a local channel?  It may seem like a first world problem, but it does diminish the huge benefits of having Sunday ticket— ease of watching a bunch of games at once. 

One thing I liked with Directv ST using a receiver is that I could do PIP an and and watch 2 games either side by side or one in a smaller window.  None of the streaming options support this and when using the streaming ST agai couldn’t watch one game on iPad and another on appletv or ST app.   Hoping YouTube TV a will support multiple windows or at least multiple logins   I a still holding out hope that I can still get a sat option but doubt whomever wins the stream will offer it.  personally I would love to see Directv win in this and provide a streaming and satellite offering. It would greatly enhance the DTV stream product and integrate the two into a single offering.

[Billznut]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

Directv has lost millions of subscribers while still having The Ticket. I just don't think most people will get youtube tv for this. 

Right, I just moved into a new house a few months ago and now am locked into a 2 year agreement with Xfinity cable. There is no way I’m going to add on $65/month for YouTube tv in addition to the cable bill im stuck with for 21 more months. You can always count on the NFL to do the wrong thing when it comes to fans and their desire to stream games. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Billznut

[nucci]

26 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Right, I just moved into a new house a few months ago and now am locked into a 2 year agreement with Xfinity cable. There is no way I’m going to add on $65/month for YouTube tv in addition to the cable bill im stuck with for 21 more months. You can always count on the NFL to do the wrong thing when it comes to fans and their desire to stream games. 

I'm dropping directv and looking at Hulu Live TV.  Now not sure what to do

[Xwnyer]

26 minutes ago, Billznut said:

Right, I just moved into a new house a few months ago and now am locked into a 2 year agreement with Xfinity cable. There is no way I’m going to add on $65/month for YouTube tv in addition to the cable bill im stuck with for 21 more months. You can always count on the NFL to do the wrong thing when it comes to fans and their desire to stream games. 

Wondering if the loss of subs is mostly bade on illegal streams available for those who want to watch football but don’t care if they have to keep looking for a stream.  Personally I want to know I have a reliable broadcast , have a quick way to access it and  ability to pause , rewind or ff 

[Draconator]

I had YouTube TV, then switched to Fubo for MSG and Sabres games. While at a community meeting for a new cable service coming into my neighborhood, this one guy kept singing the praises of EyeStream TV. So I looked into it.

 

You literally get ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX, from every major city and some less populated communities in the whole US, including Hawaii and Alaska. You also get all NFL (including Red Zone), MLB, NHL, NBA, and regional sports stations, ESPN +, not to mention HBO, Showtime, Starz, Pay-Per-View, as well as some foreign stations from England, Italy, etc. You also get over 2500 classic and current movies and classic and current TV Series.

 

If you think this is illegal, you would be wrong. You can have (depending on your package) up to 8 connections. And for Chromecast/Firestick etc and mobile, you have up to 4 picture-in-picture viewing options, so you can watch 4 games at once. You can also watch on your computer/laptop. You don't get the multi-view option on the web player.

 

Cost anywhere from $40 to $60 per month depending on your package. I have the 6 connection package and I pay just over $50 a month.

 

Only drawbacks? Not available on Roku TV or devices. They are working on getting Roku up and running. They had to totally rewrite the Roku app for this. All other streaming platforms work flawlessly. (I have Chromecast in a Roku TV, and purchased a Chromecast specifically for EyeStream). Also, they don't really have a DVR option. They have a handful of stations for "catchup", where you can rewind what you just watched, and can record those stations. 

 

Customer service? They have a Facebook private group where the founder and owner of EyeStream, along with his customer support team answer questions within the hour. They also have text and email support. 

 

So you can see a Raiders/Patriots play, and then right after the game, tune into Boston TV stations or NESN and hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Something I forgot to do and missed a golden opportunity at comedy gold. 

 

EyeStream TV

Edited December 21, 2022 by Draconator

[Amarillo Bills Fan]

I subscribe to YouTube TV, so I'd be up for this.

 

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/nfl-sunday-ticket-rights-may-be-heading-to-googles-youtube-tv-report-claims/

 

I'm looking forward to NFL Sunday ticket being available on a streaming service and not locked into Directv.  YouTube TV, Prime, Apple, what ever.  I dumped Directv several years ago, too expensive.

 

YouTube TV at less than $70 per month is a good option.  Lot's of sports plus the local channels.

 

 

 

[QCity]

7 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

Doesn't sound like Apple.  Glad they didn't get it, though.

 

$6.99 a month was too much for you? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, Draconator said:

I had YouTube TV, then switched to Fubo for MSG and Sabres games. While at a community meeting for a new cable service coming into my neighborhood, this one guy kept singing the praises of EyeStream TV. So I looked into it.

 

You literally get ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX, from every major city and some less populated communities in the whole US, including Hawaii and Alaska. You also get all NFL (including Red Zone), MLB, NHL, NBA, and regional sports stations, ESPN +, not to mention HBO, Showtime, Starz, Pay-Per-View, as well as some foreign stations from England, Italy, etc. You also get over 2500 classic and current movies and classic and current TV Series.

 

If you think this is illegal, you would be wrong. You can have (depending on your package) up to 8 connections. And for Chromecast/Firestick etc and mobile, you have up to 4 picture-in-picture viewing options, so you can watch 4 games at once. You can also watch on your computer/laptop. You don't get the multi-view option on the web player.

 

Cost anywhere from $40 to $60 per month depending on your package. I have the 6 connection package and I pay just over $50 a month.

 

Only drawback? Not available on Roku TV or devices. They are working on getting Roku up and running. They had to totally rewrite the Roku app for this. All other streaming platforms work flawlessly. (I have Chromecast in a Roku TV, and purchased a Chromecast specifically for EyeStream). 

 

Customer service? They have a Facebook private group where the founder and owner of EyeStream, along with his customer support team answer questions within the hour. They also have text and email support. 

 

So you can see a Raiders/Patriots play, and then right after the game, tune into Boston TV stations or NESN and hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Something I forgot to do and missed a golden opportunity at comedy gold. 

 

EyeStream TV

[Draconator]

Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Well, I do sometimes watch the NBC affiliate in Laurel, Mississippi...

 

And I'm always up for a good car chase in LA.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 minutes ago, Draconator said:

And I'm always up for a good car chase in LA.

"He was just ahead of his time..."

[Xwnyer]

15 minutes ago, Draconator said:

I had YouTube TV, then switched to Fubo for MSG and Sabres games. While at a community meeting for a new cable service coming into my neighborhood, this one guy kept singing the praises of EyeStream TV. So I looked into it.

 

You literally get ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX, from every major city and some less populated communities in the whole US, including Hawaii and Alaska. You also get all NFL (including Red Zone), MLB, NHL, NBA, and regional sports stations, ESPN +, not to mention HBO, Showtime, Starz, Pay-Per-View, as well as some foreign stations from England, Italy, etc. You also get over 2500 classic and current movies and classic and current TV Series.

 

If you think this is illegal, you would be wrong. You can have (depending on your package) up to 8 connections. And for Chromecast/Firestick etc and mobile, you have up to 4 picture-in-picture viewing options, so you can watch 4 games at once. You can also watch on your computer/laptop. You don't get the multi-view option on the web player.

 

Cost anywhere from $40 to $60 per month depending on your package. I have the 6 connection package and I pay just over $50 a month.

 

Only drawbacks? Not available on Roku TV or devices. They are working on getting Roku up and running. They had to totally rewrite the Roku app for this. All other streaming platforms work flawlessly. (I have Chromecast in a Roku TV, and purchased a Chromecast specifically for EyeStream). Also, they don't really have a DVR option. They have a handful of stations for "catchup", where you can rewind what you just watched, and can record those stations. 

 

Customer service? They have a Facebook private group where the founder and owner of EyeStream, along with his customer support team answer questions within the hour. They also have text and email support. 

 

So you can see a Raiders/Patriots play, and then right after the game, tune into Boston TV stations or NESN and hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Something I forgot to do and missed a golden opportunity at comedy gold. 

 

EyeStream TV

So you are saying that you can watch any NFL a game live just by switching to the local area station covering the game????

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, Xwnyer said:

So you are saying that you can watch any NFL a game live just by switching to the local area station covering the game????

Better than that. You just go into the NFL group of stations, click on a team name, and watch that team's game.  That or they have all the games listed in time order every week. 

Edited December 21, 2022 by Draconator

[Xwnyer]

1 minute ago, Draconator said:

Better than that. You just go into the NFL group of stations, click on a team name, and watch that team's game.  That or they have all the games listed in time order every week. 

Looks like no app in Apple Store and sure seems illegal since it’s allowing broadcast of NFL games to out of area locations.

[Draconator]

Just now, Xwnyer said:

Looks like no app in Apple Store and sure seems illegal since it’s allowing broadcast of NFL games to out of area locations.

They do have an app in the Apple Store. Just have to look it up. 

 

And 100% legal

Apple App instructions

 

[Xwnyer]

2 minutes ago, Draconator said:

They do have an app in the Apple Store. Just have to look it up. 

 

And 100% legal

Just looked don’t see it. 
 

[Draconator]

3 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

Just looked don’t see it. 
 

I worded it wrong. I meant to say "I just have to look it up". Posted the instruction via the picture. You do need an existing account. 

[eball]

30 minutes ago, Draconator said:

They do have an app in the Apple Store. Just have to look it up. 

 

And 100% legal

Apple App instructions

 

That picture is lousy quality…what is the URL?

[Draconator]

9 minutes ago, eball said:

That picture is lousy quality…what is the URL?

RareApple.TK:8080

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

One thing I liked with Directv ST using a receiver is that I could do PIP an and and watch 2 games either side by side or one in a smaller window.  None of the streaming options support this and when using the streaming ST agai couldn’t watch one game on iPad and another on appletv or ST app.   Hoping YouTube TV a will support multiple windows or at least multiple logins   I a still holding out hope that I can still get a sat option but doubt whomever wins the stream will offer it.  personally I would love to see Directv win in this and provide a streaming and satellite offering. It would greatly enhance the DTV stream product and integrate the two into a single offering.

great points. I forgot about how we can’t use sunday ticket log-in on multiple devices at the same time. That is fine now, but with a streaming-only service, i was thinking of doing just that. 
 

I think what I will end up doing is switching to YouTube Tv for everything. I suspect that at least will solve the issue with flipping to local games. 

[Southern_Bills]

Enroll in a college course and then use the student stream, small price to pay lol.

[Xwnyer]

23 minutes ago, Draconator said:

RareApple.TK:8080

access denied but not about to download an app that isn't in the app store.    I guess after this season is done may play around with it.  I do have a fire stick I could connect and download that app for test purposes

[mikemac2001]

20 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

great points. I forgot about how we can’t use sunday ticket log-in on multiple devices at the same time. That is fine now, but with a streaming-only service, i was thinking of doing just that. 
 

I think what I will end up doing is switching to YouTube Tv for everything. I suspect that at least will solve the issue with flipping to local games. 

Hopefully whoever the next provider is has a way to allow multiple devices on same network but this would likely be through there app and not the Sunday ticket app (since they haven’t figured it out)