NFL Draft Rumors

[newcam2012]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Beane’s comments on what he would draft in a RD1 RB described Breece Hall. 
 

He has home run speed, but isn’t a blur.. You don’t run a 4.39 and have people worry if you can house it or get the corner.   
 

Id admit he doesn’t look like a 4.39 guy on tape, but I think his body type could have something to do with that at 6’1. 
 

What he shows on tape is a decisive cutback ability and elite receiving traits.  
 

Wheel routes, dump offs, slot.. he can do that all at a high level. 

I don't think he will be that effective in the pros. I just don't see elite skills on tape which transfers to the NFL. I think he is serviceable but not the answer for Buffalo. Think good Oline and Allen's arm and legs. That's what the Bills offense is all about. It certainly won't be about Hall if he's drafted at 25. 

[Rochesterfan]

4 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m not keen in playing against the Bills strength, but I want to enhance the passing game by having a RB teams have to plan around. If we have a Derick Henry, teams will be forced to put 8 in the box, even with Josh throwing, they wouldn’t have a choice. If they don’t, they will get anaconda’d to death. 

 

No they won’t- it is pretty simple.  Teams would rather force the Bills to play a long drive and run the ball and see if we would stick with the run.

 

It is the dumbest of arguments because the only way a RB changes the defense is to make them the focal point and that is taking the ball away from our best player.

 

That was the same argument KC made and no one cared about the RB - it just doesn’t matter.  Points come from passing.

 

 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

I don't think he will be that effective in the pros. I just don't see elite skills on tape which transfers to the NFL. I think he is serviceable but not the answer for Buffalo. Think good Oline and Allen's arm and legs. That's what the Bills offense is all about. It certainly won't be about Hall if he's drafted at 25. 

I don’t disagree with you on taking Hall at 25.. I’m ok with it but don’t love it.

 

That said, we NEED to get away from any dependence upon “Allen’s legs” during the regular season.  Playoffs, fair game, unleash him.  If they think Breece Hall and a better OL does that, I’m fine with it.  
 

Im certainly higher on it than taking a non-Sauce/Stingley corner or a linebacker that may barely play this year. 

1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

No they won’t- it is pretty simple.  Teams would rather force the Bills to play a long drive and run the ball and see if we would stick with the run.

 

It is the dumbest of arguments because the only way a RB changes the defense is to make them the focal point and that is taking the ball away from our best player.

 

That was the same argument KC made and no one cared about the RB - it just doesn’t matter.  Points come from passing.

 

 

Fwiw.. and I hate that I keep defending Hall at 25, but they’d be drafting him as the 2-deep destroyer… much of which means he’s a passing threat underneath. 

[Rochesterfan]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t disagree with you on taking Hall at 25.. I’m ok with it but don’t love it.

 

That said, we NEED to get away from any dependence upon “Allen’s legs” during the regular season.  Playoffs, fair game, unleash him.  If they think Breece Hall and a better OL does that, I’m fine with it.  
 

Im certainly higher on it than taking a non-Sauce/Stingley corner or a linebacker that may barely play this year. 

Fwiw.. and I hate that I keep defending Hall at 25, but they’d be drafting him as the 2-deep destroyer… much of which means he’s a passing threat underneath. 

 

I totally get that - the argument was that teams will have to put 8 in the box to stop the run.  That is not happening.

 

I also think he will be more fluid than Singletary as a receiver, but my guess is teams will continue to attack us as they have the Chiefs - back to front.  Take away deep, double cover Diggs, and if we flip it short to a RB - rally to the tackle.  
 

 

[WyoAZBillfan]

21 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

No they won’t- it is pretty simple.  Teams would rather force the Bills to play a long drive and run the ball and see if we would stick with the run.

 

It is the dumbest of arguments because the only way a RB changes the defense is to make them the focal point and that is taking the ball away from our best player.

 

That was the same argument KC made and no one cared about the RB - it just doesn’t matter.  Points come from passing.

 

 

So you’re saying KC didn’t bounce the Bills via the running game prior year? Even last year I seem to recall a few teams running the ball right down their throat and #17 couldn’t do enough to overcome the lack of clock or defense. 

[newcam2012]

14 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I totally get that - the argument was that teams will have to put 8 in the box to stop the run.  That is not happening.

 

I also think he will be more fluid than Singletary as a receiver, but my guess is teams will continue to attack us as they have the Chiefs - back to front.  Take away deep, double cover Diggs, and if we flip it short to a RB - rally to the tackle.  
 

 

That's why a dynamic speed burner receiver is a great asset for this offense. There are a few in this draft

 I'd rather go this route than the Hall route.

[WotAGuy]

Not so much a rumor, but Joe B has a nice article breaking down the Bills draft trends and how that might shake out in this year’s draft. 
 

https://theathletic.com/3269541/2022/04/26/bills-thoughts-nfl-draft/?source=user_shared_article

[whorlnut]

41 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

No they won’t- it is pretty simple.  Teams would rather force the Bills to play a long drive and run the ball and see if we would stick with the run.

 

It is the dumbest of arguments because the only way a RB changes the defense is to make them the focal point and that is taking the ball away from our best player.

 

That was the same argument KC made and no one cared about the RB - it just doesn’t matter.  Points come from passing.

 

 

This is just wrong in so many ways. Hall is the best receiving back in the draft and can help in more ways than running the ball. He would take carries away from Allen and that would benefit his longevity. And you need a reliable back the last few drives to chew clock. Allen can still be the dynamic passer he is with an elite running back. 

[Rochesterfan]

20 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

So you’re saying KC didn’t bounce the Bills via the running game prior year? Even last year I seem to recall a few teams running the ball right down their throat and #17 couldn’t do enough to overcome the lack of clock or defense. 

 

I am saying at no time did the Bills shift to 8 in the box to fully stop the run.  Yes you can lose to a team running the ball, but are you more afraid of the Bills trying to beat you by running Breece Hall 40 times or Josh Allen?

 

 

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I am saying at no time did the Bills shift to 8 in the box to fully stop the run.  Yes you can lose to a team running the ball, but are you more afraid of the Bills trying to beat you by running Breece Hall 40 times or Josh Allen?

 

 

40 times?!!  Haha…wow, just stop. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I am saying at no time did the Bills shift to 8 in the box to fully stop the run.  Yes you can lose to a team running the ball, but are you more afraid of the Bills trying to beat you by running Breece Hall 40 times or Josh Allen?

 

 

I’d say the more teams have to defend, the better off you are, see Jacksonville game 2021. 5 games, 2 opponents the Bills has no answer. When Titan QB1 looks all pro, that’s a problem

Edited April 27, 2022 by WyoAZBillfan

[Rochesterfan]

3 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

This is just wrong in so many ways. Hall is the best receiving back in the draft and can help in more ways than running the ball. He would take carries away from Allen and that would benefit his longevity. And you need a reliable back the last few drives to chew clock. Allen can still be the dynamic passer he is with an elite running back. 

 

That assumes he has better stats than 95% of the NFL running backs because that is where Singletary was.

 

You also rush Hall versus Allen - you are going to average 3-4 yards less per carry than Allen was doing.

 

I get the idea - it just has proven to be false for the most part in the NFL since the 2000’s.  
 

The top RBs in the league don’t win championships.  
 

People complain about Edmunds (a 2x pro bowler) drafted in the first, but think that a RB is the missing piece on the top offense in the NFL.

[whorlnut]

Just now, Rochesterfan said:

 

That assumes he has better stats than 95% of the NFL running backs because that is where Singletary was.

 

You also rush Hall versus Allen - you are going to average 3-4 yards less per carry than Allen was doing.

 

I get the idea - it just has proven to be false for the most part in the NFL since the 2000’s.  
 

The top RBs in the league don’t win championships.  
 

People complain about Edmunds (a 2x pro bowler) drafted in the first, but think that a RB is the missing piece on the top offense in the NFL.

Top offense?  I wasn’t aware of that. Please share that confirmation. Maybe you mean top “defense”. I can show you actual rankings to support that claim. 

[Rochesterfan]

2 minutes ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

I’d say the more teams have to defend, the better off you are, see Jacksonville game 2021. 5 games, 2 opponents the Bills has no answer. When Titan QB1 looks all pro, that’s a problem

 

And you know what happened when Henry was hurt - the Titans ran the ball nearly exactly the same with 3rd and 4th back-ups.  
 

Was it the o-line or Henry that drives the Titans running game. 
 

 

[WyoAZBillfan]

Just now, Rochesterfan said:

 

And you know what happened when Henry was hurt - the Titans ran the ball nearly exactly the same with 3rd and 4th back-ups.  
 

Was it the o-line or Henry that drives the Titans running game. 
 

 

I wouldn’t argue that point at all. Big fan of O-line. Curious (may have beer brain) what was their record without Henry those games AND how much more did QB1 have to “produce”?

 I’d be more than happy with stud online picks and later round bruiser in the draft, both will extend #17’s career and win games. Blow out games are great, but I imagine a super bowl win is sweeter.

[Rochesterfan]

3 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Top offense?  I wasn’t aware of that. Please share that confirmation. Maybe you mean top “defense”. I can show you actual rankings to support that claim. 

 

Yes - top 5 in scoring, top 5 in rushing yards, top 5 in rushing average per carry, Top 10 in passing yards, top 10 in TD passes, top 10 in rushing TDs, etc.

 

They were one of the top offenses all year and that included multiple games with really bad weather.

 

 

[Motor26]

2 hours ago, gobills404 said:

This thread is 10 pages long and there’s been like 5 actual rumors posted lol

I’d be fine if they took Gordon at 25. I think he’s going to have a better NFL career than McDuffie, Booth and Elam.

Edited April 27, 2022 by Motor26

[whorlnut]

3 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Yes - top 5 in scoring, top 5 in rushing yards, top 5 in rushing average per carry, Top 10 in passing yards, top 10 in TD passes, top 10 in rushing TDs, etc.

 

They were one of the top offenses all year and that included multiple games with really bad weather.

 

 

You literally claimed it was the “best”. Now you are backtracking. Be careful how you word your posts. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[HappyDays]

https://walterfootball.com/nflhotpress/article/2022-NFL-Draft-Week-Rumors-Wednesday

 

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From speaking with sources, the Jets are very high on Cincinnati cornerback Ahmad 'Sauce' Gardner, and it sounds like he is the favorite to be their selection at No. 4. Some in the front office prefer Stingley because they note Stingley went against top competition and played well, while Gardner dominated a lesser conference without being challenged by top receiving prospects. Jets head coach Robert Saleh, however, is said to be set on Garnder as his guy and loves the way Gardner fits in the defensive scheme. By the sounds of it from speaking with team sources, Gardner could easily land with the Jets in the 2022 NFL Draft. LSU cornerback Derek Stingley, meanwhile, is prime target for the Giants in the 2022 NFL Draft.

 

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Stingley is projected to go in the teens in many mock drafts, but team sources would be shocked if Stingley was not a top-10 pick. While Stingley was a 1-year wonder with two injury-plagued campaigns, he is viewed as a freak athlete with the natural cover skills to become one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL. Both New York teams are high on Stingley ,according to multiple team sources. Both New York squads hold two top-10 picks, so Stingley could easily end up starting out his pro career in the Big Apple.

 

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Along with Stingley, the Giants are high on Cincinnati cornerback Ahmad 'Sauce' Gardner, Alabama offensive tackle Evan Neal and Mississippi State offensive tackle Charles Cross. The Giants have a good shot to land two of those four players. They expect Gardner to be off the board quickly, so they may not have a shot at him. New York also could get to pick No. 5 and have Stingley as well as all three top-10 offensive linemen - Neal, Cross, and Ikem Ekwonu available. In that case, the Giants might take Stingley at No. 5 because they would be assured of getting one of the blockers they like at No. 7. If the Giants take a lineman with the fifth pick, the Panthers could trade the No. 6 with a team that is looking to land Stingley. Other teams that are said to be interested in selecting Stingley include the Seahawks and Vikings. Hence, the Giants might avoid taking that risk by snatching up Stingley at No. 5 and seeing which offensive lineman is there at No. 7.

 

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Another possibility the Giants have to consider is Gardner and Stingley going off the board at with picks Nos. 3 and 4 to the Texans and Jets. That might be less likely to happen, but it is possible. If that happened, the Giants could have Oregon edge rusher Kayvon Thibodeaux in play as a backup option. The question with Thibodeaux is if the new Giants regime is comfortable dealing with his football character.

 

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Sources say the Jets would like to add a wide receiver with the tenth pick of the 2022 NFL Draft to provide a weapon for second-year quarterback Zach Wilson. The Jets like USC wide receiver Drake London a lot, but they already have a couple of big receivers in Corey Davis and Denzel Mims. They also have shifty slot receivers in Elijah Moore and Braxton Berrios. What they don't have is a deep-speed big-play weapon, and they have some real options to fill that void at pick No. 10 with players like Ohio State's Garrett Wilson, Alabama's Jameson Williams and Ohio State's Chris Olave.

 

It sounds like Wilson could be the favorite of those three. He had a consensus higher grade than Olave, and Williams could miss a large portion of his rookie season as he recovers from his torn ACL. With the seat starting to heat up under general manager Joe Douglas, the Jets are more in need of instant contributors to help Zach Wilson, and Garrett Wilson's deep speed could change up the offense immediately. The Jets also could go a different direction if a surprising player slips to No. 10, but from speaking with sources, it sounds like the Jets are targeting receiver help and have Wilson as the a top candidate.

 

All of this info makes me more hopeful that Jameson Williams will drop out of the top 10 and into a range where Beane would feel comfortable trading up for him. Atlanta is the wildcard, no one seems to have any clue what they're going to do and they have so many needs.

[Rochesterfan]

8 hours ago, WyoAZBillfan said:

I’d say the more teams have to defend, the better off you are, see Jacksonville game 2021. 5 games, 2 opponents the Bills has no answer. When Titan QB1 looks all pro, that’s a problem

 

Who do you fear more - Henry or Tannehill?  
 

Of course Henry - so teams gear their defense to stop Henry and that does open up the field for Tannehill.

 

Who do teams fear more:

 

Mahomes or CEH

Allen or Hall/Singletary

Murry/James Conner

 

If they fear the QB more - they will play cover 2 shell and protect deep against better QBs.  That is the current NFL and you let the RB slowly move the ball and you rally to tackles.  It becomes a game of patience- who changes first and when you have elite QBs - they want to move the ball through the air - so it becomes when do they take that shot.

 

Hall would be a great pick and will help the team - his speed is nice and he is fluid in catching the ball.  It is just that it is no longer the 1970’s and 1980’s where defenses gear up to stop the run - opening up the passing game.  The NFL defenses look at ways to stop and counter you biggest weapon and if a second weapon ends up beating you - that is life.

 

The Bills 2 years ago showed that with CEH when he had his best day in the NFL - they looked to stop Mahomes and if KC stuck with CEH - we let them.  The Bills did the same thing versus NO and Kamara the year before.  They try to stop the run with the front 4 and rally beyond that.

 

The difficulty I have is do people expect Hall to have significantly more usage than Singletary because the reality is:

 

1) Singletary has a 4.8 YPC average on the Bills (mostly due to lighter boxes and multiple longer runs for TD) - in limited runs will Hall match that or like ~95% of backs be lower than that?

 

2) Will Josh throw more dump offs with Hall versus Singletary?  Singletary was open - along with WRs short all game long - Josh, Mahomes, Murray - they all look deeper to shorter and take shots.  We see guys open short all game against teams like Jacksonville last year, but they did not take what was given and I am not sure Hall changes that.  He is still the 4th or 5th option on a passing play.

 

I do think Hall can attack defensive edges better than Singletary with his speed, but as we saw with other speed backs - you need a line to open that up or the DEs/OLBs just force them to turn it in or bounce it further back and the plays do not consistently win in the NFL like college.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

All of this info makes me more hopeful that Jameson Williams will drop out of the top 10 and into a range where Beane would feel comfortable trading up for him. Atlanta is the wildcard, no one seems to have any clue what they're going to do and they have so many needs.

 

So just on the rumours in your post in general.... my sense has been for 3 weeks now that the Giants are going corner and tackle with their top 2 picks and will wait on edge rusher. My expectation is it will be corner at #5 and tackle at #7, because the NFL seems to have Sauce and Stingley as a tier on their own at corner so if only one of them is left on the board then risk of waiting to #7 to pick them is a team trades up with Carolina at #6.

 

Personally I see it Sauce at #4, Stingley at #5 and then Cross at #7. If the Panthers don't trade back they will take one of Neal or Ekwonu at #6.

 

On what Atlanta are going to do - if KT falls I'd be stunned if they pass on him. If he is gone the smart money is receiver. 

 

If Atlanta doesn't go receiver then the first one off the board will come at #10..... unless the Jets trade that to the 49ers for Deebo.... even then maybe the 49ers use #10 for a Deebo replacement? That feels like Garrett Wilson to me. 

 

 

EDIT: 1st overall will NOT be Hutch. They are down to Walker or Ekwonu. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by GunnerBill

[machine gun kelly]

Thanks as always Happy.  Most of this info. Has been reported, discussed these topics on NFLR and NFLN.

[Back2Buff]

12 hours ago, gobills404 said:

This thread is 10 pages long and there’s been like 5 actual rumors posted lol

 

Can't remember what podcast I was listening to, but they mentioned there is concern about his knee.  Some teams seemed to have flagged his knee has a chronic condition.

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Can't remember what podcast I was listening to, but they mentioned there is concern about his knee.  Some teams seemed to have flagged his knee has a chronic condition.

 

That is more plausible for a drop to me than the sports hernia or the idea that his tape isn't better than the two Washington guys and Elam. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Can't remember what podcast I was listening to, but they mentioned there is concern about his knee.  Some teams seemed to have flagged his knee has a chronic condition.

 

Joe Marino said today that Andrew Booth has multiple medical red flags - not just the double hernia, he also has some kind of neck issue and some kind of knee issue. Neck issues in particular always concern me. I don't think Beane will risk it.

[whorlnut]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Joe Marino said today that Andrew Booth has multiple medical red flags - not just the double hernia, he also has some kind of neck issue and some kind of knee issue. Neck issues in particular always concern me. I don't think Beane will risk it.

Elam apparently isn’t a willing tackler. McD will also not go for that. McDuffie has short arms…we historically do not draft short armed corners. Dax Hill apparently has some serious character concerns. The only corner I could see them targeting would be Gordon, and I don’t think they necessarily value CB2 as much as some fans. 
 

To me, the Hall rumors are legit. We’ve been trying to upgrade there for a while now. The rumors about Ettienne last year were confirmed by Chris Brown. The attempt at signing McKissic. Now they are heavily linked to the best RB in this years class. One that catches the ball very well. I like the idea and I hope it happens. To me, it moves the needle way more than CB2…a position they apparently don’t see as a premium one. 

[YoloinOhio]

This guy says the Bills are secretly in love with Elam

 

He tweeted this yesterday:

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

To me, it moves the needle way more than CB2…a position they apparently don’t see as a premium one. 

 

I disagree strongly with that. A running back on this team moves the needle less than almost any other spot IMO. We are a pass first offense and hopefully remain so. 

[PaattMaann]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

This guy says the Bills are secretly in love with Elam

 

He tweeted this yesterday:

 

 

 

I really hope this isnt true based on his inability to tackle. And it just reallllyyyy doesnt fit the type of DB's we value and have on our roster. 

[YoloinOhio]

8 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

I really hope this isnt true based on his inability to tackle. And it just reallllyyyy doesnt fit the type of DB's we value and have on our roster. 

Maybe they want a different type of DB to complement the others? Just a thought.

 

all I know is, if they take him, McDermott has watched hundreds of hours of film on him and wants him on his defense, believing he is a significant upgrade to what he has behind Tre.

Edited April 27, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[PaattMaann]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Maybe they want a different type of DB to complement the others? Just a thought 

 

one that cant tackle though?

[GunnerBill]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Joe Marino said today that Andrew Booth has multiple medical red flags - not just the double hernia, he also has some kind of neck issue and some kind of knee issue. Neck issues in particular always concern me. I don't think Beane will risk it.

 

Certainly possible, but it is not like he is hurt now. Unless their medical department have flagged him as a chronic injury risk the Bills should take him IMO. If there is a player who will get to #25 and who could help us win the Superbowl in the next two years it is Andrew Booth. If he ends up as a 1 contract player, that is unfortunate, but if the Bills medical staff think there is a way to manage him then they should select him. 

[Warriorspikes51]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

This guy says the Bills are secretly in love with Elam

 

He tweeted this yesterday:

 

 

He said   "I believe the Bills are secretly in love with him"   it's his own opinion.....

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

one that cant tackle though?

McDermott would be making this call. Don’t forget he made a comment in his presser that he wished you could mash the corners together in terms of traits to make a perfect prospect. Basically they all have some flaw. If he picks him, he thinks he has traits he wants and areas he can develop. 

3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

He said   "I believe the Bills are secretly in love with him"   it's his own opinion.....

His mock says “I do my best to connect the dots off things I’ve been able to gather” and he says he finished top 15 in his mock last year. No one knows what will happen but I’m guessing he believes something for a reason. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[whorlnut]

20 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I disagree strongly with that. A running back on this team moves the needle less than almost any other spot IMO. We are a pass first offense and hopefully remain so. 

You realize that hall is the best pass catching back in the draft right?  Running backs do more than just run the ball. 

[HappyDays]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Certainly possible, but it is not like he is hurt now. Unless their medical department have flagged him as a chronic injury risk the Bills should take him IMO. If there is a player who will get to #25 and who could help us win the Superbowl in the next two years it is Andrew Booth. If he ends up as a 1 contract player, that is unfortunate, but if the Bills medical staff think there is a way to manage him then they should select him. 

 

Out of all the Bills top 30 visits that have been reported, Booth is the only one seen as a 1st round talent. I'm sure the medical evaluation is why they brought him in. Obviously if our medical staff cleared him it would be a slam dunk pick.

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

how does a Breece Hall change the outcome of that Chiefs game? 

 

There was a 3 and out series where Singletary got the ball on 3rd down and got stopped short. Hall with his speed may have been able to turn the corner on that play and get the 1st down. I'm not Breece Hall or bust in the 1st but it's equally ridiculous to suggest a dynamic RB wouldn’t improve the team.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[H2o]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Quick, someone hide this tweet from the "Breece's Bunch"!!!