If LB Devin Lloyd is available at Pick 25......

[Special K]

Would you select him, and trade Edmunds to a team with a top 15 Second Round Pick??

 

I know there are a lot of what-ifs in this scenario, but if the draft did fall this way, and a team with a top 15 second round pick was interested in trading for Edmunds...I would pull the trigger immediately on this.

 

Although I do not hate Edmunds as much as many on this board, I am certainly not a fan of giving him a huge contract extension either.

 

Lloyd is a beast of a LB, and could easily end up being better than Edmunds quite quickly, plus he would be on a cheaper rookie contract for the next 5 years.

 

I would use the second round pick from the trade to draft Breece Hall, the Bills actual second round pick to draft a speed WR like Metchie III, and use the cap savings from losing Edmunds contract to sign one of the Veteran CB's still on the market.

 

What do you think??

[NORWOODS FOOT]

This isn't a bad idea in general, but I'm not sure changing such a key piece of your defense (even though I see him as a very average player) when you are about to make a super bowl run makes much sense. Rookies hit a wall because not only are there more games and the stress level is higher, but they are also worn out by having prepared for the draft.

[ClemsonBills]

I know it’s against the grain, but I have a feeling Edmunds replacement is drafted this year. 

[ndirish1978]

12 minutes ago, Special K said:

Would you select him, and trade Edmunds to a team with a top 15 Second Round Pick??

 

I know there are a lot of what-ifs in this scenario, but if the draft did fall this way, and a team with a top 15 second round pick was interested in trading for Edmunds...I would pull the trigger immediately on this.

 

Although I do not hate Edmunds as much as many on this board, I am certainly not a fan of giving him a huge contract extension either.

 

Lloyd is a beast of a LB, and could easily end up being better than Edmunds quite quickly, plus he would be on a cheaper rookie contract for the next 5 years.

 

I would use the second round pick from the trade to draft Breece Hall, the Bills actual second round pick to draft a speed WR like Metchie III, and use the cap savings from losing Edmunds contract to sign one of the Veteran CB's still on the market.

 

What do you think??

 

I would pass on the trade and just draft Lloyd in the 1st, WR/RB in the 2nd and CB in the 3rd and Bob's your uncle. No need to trade away your defensive signal caller in the middle of a superbowl window, I'd rather just get a comp pick. 

[Thurman#1]

13 minutes ago, Special K said:

Would you select him, and trade Edmunds to a team with a top 15 Second Round Pick??

 

I know there are a lot of what-ifs in this scenario, but if the draft did fall this way, and a team with a top 15 second round pick was interested in trading for Edmunds...I would pull the trigger immediately on this.

 

Although I do not hate Edmunds as much as many on this board, I am certainly not a fan of giving him a huge contract extension either.

 

Lloyd is a beast of a LB, and could easily end up being better than Edmunds quite quickly, plus he would be on a cheaper rookie contract for the next 5 years.

 

I would use the second round pick from the trade to draft Breece Hall, the Bills actual second round pick to draft a speed WR like Metchie III, and use the cap savings from losing Edmunds contract to sign one of the Veteran CB's still on the market.

 

What do you think??

 

 

I like Lloyd a lot.

 

But I don't think you make a rookie your signal-caller in a year where you really think you're going for the Super Bowl.

[Vickveto]

Edmunds replacement will probably be drafted in the first round and Edmunds will probably be traded on draft day. We can’t keep everybody. We use premium picks on premium positions and middle linebacker is a premium position to us.

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Wtf? No.

Brace for impact. Edmunds will more than likely be traded on draft day. And it might be Troy Anderson or Quay Walker at 25

[Special K]

3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I like Lloyd a lot.

 

But I don't think you make a rookie your signal-caller in a year where you really think you're going for the Super Bowl.

 

I sort of see your point, but this is a veteran-laden defense.....that might make things a little smoother for the rookie in that respect 

[Aussie Joe]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Wtf? No.

 

You are that guy that wants them to take the safety right?

[gobills404]

29 minutes ago, ClemsonBills said:

I know it’s against the grain, but I have a feeling Edmunds replacement is drafted this year. 

Especially cause there’s a crap ton of super athletic high upside LBs this year

[Richard Noggin]

What are the realistic chances Lloyd falls even out of the top-15? Top-20? 

 

Seems like pick 25 is just NOT on the table for this discussion. But yeah, the player projects to be an all-around contributor at the second level of whichever defense adds him. 

[newcam2012]

31 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I like Lloyd a lot.

 

But I don't think you make a rookie your signal-caller in a year where you really think you're going for the Super Bowl.

Agree with that logic. However, I ask will the rookie be any worse than Edmunds? There's a realistic chance he might be better. 

 

Also, I don't think the Bills can get a second round pick for Edmunds. More likely a 3rd round pick. 

Edited April 11, 2022 by newcam2012

[Vickveto]

31 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I like Lloyd a lot.

 

But I don't think you make a rookie your signal-caller in a year where you really think you're going for the Super Bowl.

It’s now or never. We either trade him or lose him for nothing. He is not as bad as people try to make him out to be he will probably get between 10 to 15 million  with his new contract if he plays the way he played last year he has made it to a pro bowl.

[Richard Noggin]

25 minutes ago, Vickveto said:

Edmunds replacement will probably be drafted in the first round and Edmunds will probably be traded on draft day. We can’t keep everybody. We use premium picks on premium positions and middle linebacker is a premium position to us.

Brace for impact. Edmunds will more than likely be traded on draft day. And it might be Troy Anderson or Quay Walker at 25

There's noticeable progression of your claim from even the first bolded statement in this argument to the second, without ANY supporting evidence. No one can dispute that it's POSSIBLE the Bills move on from Edmunds, because none of us actually KNOWS what will happen, but it is even more likely that the team moves a beloved player like Jordan Poyer, considering the actual evidence of his initial maneuvers designed to land him a new deal sooner rather than later. Edmunds has shown no reported signs of seeking a new contract. 

 

I think trading Edmunds, if the Bills receive compelling value for him, is smart. I know about the perceived "window" we're in. But any moves that recoup value for high-end players who the team is not planning to retain, while unpleasant, are smart. Keep that window open perpetually, if possible.

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

No… Im one of those guys that wants to give the one player that makes all the difference in this teams success all the help he needs. 

 

Good luck with that wanting thing...

 

I just wait and see what happens...

[Sierra Foothills]

11 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Agree with that logic. However, I ask will the rookie be any worse than Edmunds? There's a realistic chance he might be better. 

 

Also, I don't think the Bills can get a second round pick for Edmunds. More likely a 3rd round pick. 

 

Moving on from Edmunds is similar to the idea being floated that the team move on from Jordan Poyer.

 

In each case there are a lot of people here who aren't considering the impact that trading away a respected team leader would have on the locker room.

 

FWIW, Edmunds is a team captain and a guy the Bills traded up to pick in the 1st round. He's been an exemplary teammate, doing everything expected and asked of him within his powers.

 

If the Bills are so coldly calculating as to trade away a respected veteran leader for the promise of a rookie, isn't that risky in terms of the locker room ripple effect?

[Aussie Joe]

47 minutes ago, Vickveto said:

Brace for impact. Edmunds will more than likely be traded on draft day. And it might be Troy Anderson or Quay Walker at 25

 

What are you basing this on?

 

Anything of substance or just gut feeling?

 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Aussie Joe

[Vickveto]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

What are you basing this on?

 

Anything of substance or just gut feeling?

 

We are being mocked Linebackers by people you would consider to have inside information in the first round. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Vickveto said:

We are being mocked Linebackers by people you would consider to have inside information in the first round. 

 

Like who?

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I think Edmunds' replacement will be drafted this year, but it won't be until round 3 or later. We still need to add a cb and wr first and hopefully Chad Muma, Troy Anderson, or Darrian Beavers will be available in the 3rd. Edmunds would remain the starter while the rookie gets reps in 4-3 fronts as he learns the defense and starts in 2023. 

[Vickveto]

12 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Like who?

Peter Schrager nfl.com like two days ago quay Walker at 25.

and right off of buffalobills.com multiple different credible sources less than a month ago.

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/2022-mock-draft-watch-4-0

[Special K]

43 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

What are the realistic chances Lloyd falls even out of the top-15? Top-20? 

 

Seems like pick 25 is just NOT on the table for this discussion. But yeah, the player projects to be an all-around contributor at the second level of whichever defense adds him. 

Lloyd has been available in 4 of the 5 mock drafts I have done over the last few days....that’s what got me thinking about this scenario.

6 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I think Edmunds' replacement will be drafted this year, but it won't be until round 3 or later. We still need to add a cb and wr first 

In my scenario, the Bills would use the money saved from Edmunds contract to sign a vet CB instead of drafting one early....I would prefer a vet CB over a rookie CB.

[Richard Noggin]

20 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Moving on from Edmunds is similar to the idea being floated that the team move on from Jordan Poyer.

 

In each case there are a lot of people here who aren't considering the impact that trading away a respected team leader would have on the locker room.

 

FWIW, Edmunds is a team captain and a guy the Bills traded up to pick in the 1st round. He's been an exemplary teammate, doing everything expected and asked of him within his powers.

 

If the Bills are so coldly calculating as to trade away a respected veteran leader for the promise of a rookie, isn't that risky in terms of the locker room ripple effect?

While your concern is duly noted, as culture is an intangible quality that is difficult to predict, I need to ask: if Edmunds IS actually traded, then don't you think some of his teammates (in addition to the scouts, coaches, and administrators) would have privately and even quietly assessed that his on-field performance does NOT demonstrably argue IN FAVOR of a big contract extension? 

 

Players know that good teams have to make difficult roster decisions. It's a good problem to have. And players know who is worthy and who is not. It's like any workplace. And they know that even some worthy players won't fit into the cap allocations of their team's longterm plans. 

 

So my point is that trading away either Edmunds OR Poyer is to be expected and easy to move on from. Trading away BOTH players is less expected and less easy to simply move on from for their teammates. But that could be why brining in "juice" guys like Philips and Lawson is so smart. 

[Aussie Joe]

10 minutes ago, Vickveto said:

Peter Schrager nfl.com like two days ago quay Walker at 25.

and right off of buffalobills.com multiple different credible sources less than a month ago.

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/2022-mock-draft-watch-4-0

 

Ok.. 

 

I dont put a lot of trust in mock drafts personally...

[Vickveto]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Ok.. 

 

I dont put a lot of trust in mock drafts personally...

We are being mocked that in the first round because that’s what insiders are hearing. If we do draft a LB in the first or second round Edmunds will be traded he does have value. The capspace like the OP was alluding to could open up money for Gilmore. Gilmore>Edmonds. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Vickveto said:

We are being mocked that in the first round because that’s what insiders are hearing. If we do draft a LB in the first or second round Edmunds will be traded he does have value. The capspace like the OP was alluding to could open up money for Gilmore. Gilmore>Edmonds. 

 

No one can speculate with any accuracy what is going to happen at Pick 25... 

 

They are throwing darts at a board

 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Aussie Joe

[Vickveto]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

 

No one can predict what is going to happen at Pick 25... 

 

They are throwing darts at a board

That’s true.The insiders know what positions they are targeting. I would say about 80% of the time I know who the bills were going to pick in the first round Just by listening to insiders. I have no clue this year. But it will be a premium position that means mlb cb wr ot s. We are good on pass rushers for the moment.

[Aussie Joe]

9 minutes ago, Vickveto said:

That’s true.The insiders know what positions they are targeting. I would say about 80% of the time I know who the bills were going to pick in the first round Just by listening to insiders. I have no clue this year. But it will be a premium position that means mlb cb wr ot s. We are good on pass rushers for the moment.

 

Like last year when everyone mocked them Etienne right?

 

 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Vickveto said:

Edmunds replacement will probably be drafted in the first round and Edmunds will probably be traded on draft day. We can’t keep everybody. We use premium picks on premium positions and middle linebacker is a premium position to us.

Brace for impact. Edmunds will more than likely be traded on draft day. And it might be Troy Anderson or Quay Walker at 25

Probably lol there is literally a low percent chance of that happening what the ***** are you talking about

[Vickveto]

38 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Probably lol there is literally a low percent chance of that happening what the ***** are you talking about

yes probably.  we don’t value cornerback like most on this board think we do and it shows in the draft capital that we have spend on it. I trust certain insiders with the Intel that they share. They wouldn’t be mock drafting a linebacker to us in the first round in multiple different places if it wasn’t a probably and if we do draft one in the first round we won’t be paying  Edmunds 12 mil too.

it’s on buffalobills.com I just posted the link earlier in the thread.

Edited April 11, 2022 by Vickveto

[Vickveto]

42 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Like last year when everyone mocked them Etienne right?

 

 

Not everybody, I never thought we would select him. There were mocks that had us selecting the player we did. 

[Uncle Monkeyhead]

Didn’t he get a game ball one week with average  statistical day?

Isn’t he a team captain 3 years now?

Doesn’t Edmonds align the defense on the field? 
Didn't we have the number 1 Defense?

 

maybe the coaches see things we the fans don’t. 
 

Not getting the Edmunds hate 

[CSBill]

All silly talk. Edmunds is not going anywhere. Now, we may draft a LB, and maybe even in the 1st round, but Edmunds will still be a BIll after the draft.

[JaCrispy]

I would be open to trading #25 plus Edmonds to get Lloyd...in fact, I wouldn’t think twice...😉

[JaCrispy]

4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Moving on from Edmunds is similar to the idea being floated that the team move on from Jordan Poyer.

 

In each case there are a lot of people here who aren't considering the impact that trading away a respected team leader would have on the locker room.

 

FWIW, Edmunds is a team captain and a guy the Bills traded up to pick in the 1st round. He's been an exemplary teammate, doing everything expected and asked of him within his powers.

 

If the Bills are so coldly calculating as to trade away a respected veteran leader for the promise of a rookie, isn't that risky in terms of the locker room ripple effect?

I would argue thst Poyer is more of a leader than Edmunds...trade Edmunds, extend Poyer 1-2 more years...👍

43 minutes ago, UncleMonkeyHead said:

Didn’t he get a game ball one week with average  statistical day?

Isn’t he a team captain 3 years now?

Doesn’t Edmonds align the defense on the field? 
Didn't we have the number 1 Defense?

 

maybe the coaches see things we the fans don’t. 
 

Not getting the Edmunds hate 

It’s not so much Edmunds hate, as it is Edmunds disappointment...👍

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

As much as we like to believe that we can excape cap jail forever by showering people with signing bonuses, it is getting to a point where finding same or better production for less money is a top priority.

 

In that context, regardless of who comes in or who leaves, I would not be surprised if we moved an experienced player for an extra pick. Will that player be Edmunds? Hard to say, but I would not categorically exclude it.

 

Whether you like that possibility or not, the slim chance that such a move may happen adds some excitement to our draft, which is a welcome proposition when your team picks at the bottom of the round...

[Aussie Joe]

3 hours ago, Vickveto said:

Not everybody, I never thought we would select him. There were mocks that had us selecting the player we did. 

Because there are 2000 mocks… a handful will get it right 

[Sierra Foothills]

4 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

While your concern is duly noted, as culture is an intangible quality that is difficult to predict, I need to ask: if Edmunds IS actually traded, then don't you think some of his teammates (in addition to the scouts, coaches, and administrators) would have privately and even quietly assessed that his on-field performance does NOT demonstrably argue IN FAVOR of a big contract extension? 

 

Players know that good teams have to make difficult roster decisions. It's a good problem to have. And players know who is worthy and who is not. It's like any workplace. And they know that even some worthy players won't fit into the cap allocations of their team's longterm plans. 

 

So my point is that trading away either Edmunds OR Poyer is to be expected and easy to move on from. Trading away BOTH players is less expected and less easy to simply move on from for their teammates. But that could be why bringing in "juice" guys like Philips and Lawson is so smart. 

 

I considered what you wrote before my first post and had two thoughts:

 

1) I think it's more likely that his teammates view Edmunds more highly than you do.

 

2) There's 2 scenarios... drafting his eventual replacement and (per the original post) drafting his immediate replacement and trading Edmunds away. My concerns regard the second scenario where a rookie replaces a team captain before a season in which the team is supposedly all in on a Super Bowl victory. In this latter scenario I can definitely imagine a lot of surprise and bewilderment amongst the players... basically a WTF? reaction.

[Simon Says]

OMG too many assumptions and probably nit a good ideas,as has already neen loinged out . If you're gonna draft Lloyd you better have already traded Edmunds. Youll lose leverage ,as teams will know you HAVE to trade him.

[Not at the table Karlos]

4 hours ago, Vickveto said:

That’s true.The insiders know what positions they are targeting. I would say about 80% of the time I know who the bills were going to pick in the first round Just by listening to insiders. I have no clue this year. But it will be a premium position that means mlb cb wr ot s. We are good on pass rushers for the moment.

The “insiders” don’t have a clue either. The Bills don’t have leaks. 

[CNYfan]

I haven't paid much mind to the edge players in this year's class, but my favorite player from the video things I have watched is Devin Lloyd.   Gardner a close second, but Lloyd is the guy I hope is not drafted in our division.   He is really good, I think.