Breece Hall Please!!

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Well said.. No idea why they’d waste a first rounder on a back… just crossing fingers they don’t pull the trigger on onE….BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A MCDERMOTT MOVE!!

Fixed

Edited April 27, 2022 by NewEra

[Dr. Who]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

The biggest reason that guys like Joe B and Cover 1 are going extra on Hall seems to be that they think the Bills want Allen to not “need” to run as much. Because if his running style he’s taking a lot of hits and they are really playing with fire there. He said he’s working on sliding in the off-season but that’s a quarter of a billion dollar investment and one that 100% drives the success of the team - therefore Beane is going to keep trying to protect that asset. This would be one way that they haven’t yet been about to successfully do. Compare it to how Green Bay utilizes Aaron Jones. Rodgers is still throwing the ball for 4000 yards. It’s not about de-emphasizing the passing game.  Does it have to be Hall specifically? No, but he’s coming from a similar blocking scheme to what Kromer runs. Allen runs the ball like cam Newton. Gotta evolve if he’s going to last. 

I agree with this, but you don't have to pick rb in round 1 to accomplish it. If you are just talking running ability, Walker @ 57 is better and imo a better resource management fit. Spend 1st rounders to control cost at premium positions.

[Aurelius]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

The biggest reason that guys like Joe B and Cover 1 are going extra on Hall seems to be that they think the Bills want Allen to not “need” to run as much. Because if his running style he’s taking a lot of hits and they are really playing with fire there. He said he’s working on sliding in the off-season but that’s a quarter of a billion dollar investment and one that 100% drives the success of the team - therefore Beane is going to keep trying to protect that asset. This would be one way that they haven’t yet been about to successfully do. Compare it to how Green Bay utilizes Aaron Jones. Does it have to be Hall specifically? No, but he’s coming from a similar blocking scheme to what Kromer runs. Allen runs the ball like cam Newton. Gotta evolve if he’s going to last. 

This right here is what I was going to post as well.  Allen is currently rushing over 700 yards per season. Yea there are some run plays for Allen, but much of it is because taking off and running IS his check down.  A good RB who can do it all would augment our offense in a lot of ways.  It’s more of a necessity than a want right now.  In addition I wasn’t overly pleased with the way Daboll approached our running game.  Just because we can pass every down doesn’t mean we should.  A more balanced attack would certainly be prudent and I think is necessary in McDermott’s eyes.  

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I agree with this, but you don't have to pick rb in round 1 to accomplish it. If you are just talking running ability, Walker @ 57 is better and imo a better resource management fit. Spend 1st rounders to control cost at premium positions.

I don’t know what the gap is in their scouting of the 2 but I do know there is no mention of them meeting with walker and sparty’s scheme was mostly gap, he also didn’t  do much of anything in the passing game in college. Singletary didn’t either and they thought he could learn it, he didn’t thrive in key moments there

Edited April 27, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[John from Riverside]

Rashad White looks awful good just saying

[SCBills]

26 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Imagine the offense with a speed burner receiver. The RB game would be just that much better. I want that ball in Allen's arms slinging the ball not handing it off or checking down.

 

Allen can't sling the ball if teams are able to slow us down by keeping both of their Safeties deep.  

 

If Allen has a guy that he can dump if off to that can turn a 5-8 yard gain into 20+... that will force them to bring their Safeties up, allowing Allen to sling it.  

 

I may be totally wrong, but Breece Hall - if we draft him - isn't a guy they plan on handing the ball off to 15x per game.  He's a guy they want out there to punish teams when Allen is forced to stay disciplined and check it down by the opposing defense. 

[Rochesterfan]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Beane never said he didn't think Hall was a first round talent and I would gladly take a Fournette type player on this offense. He isn't elite but he isn't a slouch either. But he's just one player. Look at all the other RBs that have gone first round and had incredible careers. I do think that a dynamic RB takes this offense to the next level. It's the one piece it's missing. Imagine the opposing defense having to gameplan against, Allen, Diggs and a dynamic RB.

 

Every Buffalo media guy seems to be portraying it the other way.  
 

Sal was again talking about it.  Beane had limited 1st round players somewhere in the 18-20 range and he expected at least 1 or 2 to be available at 25.

 

Then they asked about RB and Beane seemed to lump them in with the next group and on his show Sal said basically if all of the 1st round talent was gone - they would look at RB, but that position would require someone with exceptional talent to exceed the positional value.

 

So maybe he did not come right out and say they do not have a 1st round grade, but the way he spoke and the things the various media got from interviews seem to point very highly to them thinking he is not a first round talent (He might still get drafted in the first because of the limited talent levels in this draft).

 

We will see - as I have said - he could take him, but I think that would be about the last thing they want to do.  
 

I struggle to find many recent 1st round RBs that are elite and worth the pick.  You don’t think the Giants are kicking themselves for picking Barkley at this point.  He is way over paid for his production.  The sweet spot is 2nd and 3rd round for RB because the salary is acceptable and you can run them into the ground and move on.

 

Many of these 1st round guys end up getting a huge second contract to justify the pick (Zeke, CMC, even Barkley got his option) and they just are not worth it.

 

Give me Walker in the 2nd or Cook in the 3rd and a premium position in the 1st and I am happier than Hall in the first.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Rashad White looks awful good just saying

Bills met with him 3x

[Dr. Who]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t know what the gap is in their scouting of the 2 but I do know there is no mention of them meeting with walker and sparty’s scheme was mostly gap, he also didn’t  do much of anything in the passing game in college. Singletary didn’t either and they thought he could learn it, he didn’t thrive in key moments there

Yes, Walker is an unknown as receiver. If you are emphasizing receiving skills at rb, go get James Cook later in the draft. If you want a rb to take the tough yards running burden off of Allen, I think Walker is a guy to consider. I would prefer not to use a first rounder on a rb, though if they do, I'll be hoping Hall is the second coming of Thurman Thomas. (I also think you could probably trade back from 25 and still get Hall, btw.)

[SCBills]

Based solely on who I see being rumored/mocked to us at 25, I'm starting to think my best case realistic scenario with that pick is a trade back for Breece Hall. 

 

I'd be ok with Hall at 25, but would agree that it's a tough pill to swallow given positional value in the 1st Round of a RB. 

 

My dream is a trade up for Jameson Williams, but I don't see us mortgaging a next years Rd1 or Rd2 to get that done, and anyone looking to trade back is likely doing it to load up for next year.  

[Dr. Who]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Allen can't sling the ball if teams are able to slow us down by keeping both of their Safeties deep.  

 

If Allen has a guy that he can dump if off to that can turn a 5-8 yard gain into 20+... that will force them to bring their Safeties up, allowing Allen to sling it.  

 

I may be totally wrong, but Breece Hall - if we draft him - isn't a guy they plan on handing the ball off to 15x per game.  He's a guy they want out there to punish teams when Allen is forced to stay disciplined and check it down by the opposing defense. 

It's a good counterargument. I usually agree with you, so I'll add some credits on the other side of the ledger.

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Based solely on who I see being rumored/mocked to us at 25, I'm starting to think my best case realistic scenario with that pick is a trade back for Breece Hall. 

 

I'd be ok with Hall at 25, but would agree that it's a tough pill to swallow given positional value in the 1st Round of a RB. 

 

My dream is a trade up for Jameson Williams, but I don't see us mortgaging a next years Rd1 or Rd2 to get that done, and anyone looking to trade back is likely doing it to load up for next year.  

I would mortgage next year's top pick . . . it's going to be late.

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Based solely on who I see being rumored/mocked to us at 25, I'm starting to think my best case realistic scenario with that pick is a trade back for Breece Hall. 

 

I'd be ok with Hall at 25, but would agree that it's a tough pill to swallow given positional value in the 1st Round of a RB. 

 

My dream is a trade up for Jameson Williams, but I don't see us mortgaging a next years Rd1 or Rd2 to get that done, and anyone looking to trade back is likely doing it to load up for next year.  

It’s the only way I hope he’s a bill.  Trade back from 25 or trade up from 57.  

[Yantha]

19 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Allen can't sling the ball if teams are able to slow us down by keeping both of their Safeties deep.  

 

If Allen has a guy that he can dump if off to that can turn a 5-8 yard gain into 20+... that will force them to bring their Safeties up, allowing Allen to sling it.  

 

I may be totally wrong, but Breece Hall - if we draft him - isn't a guy they plan on handing the ball off to 15x per game.  He's a guy they want out there to punish teams when Allen is forced to stay disciplined and check it down by the opposing defense. 

Yeah I'd agree with that.  Definitely adds another layer to defend.

 

I'll add that an "elite-level" slot WR can also open up the deeper routes.  A dominant interior OL can also help... opening holes no matter which RB is back there.

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

This friggin guy is reaching Chuck Norris-level mythical status. 

Breece Hall, “If you give me a football and a place to run, I can move the world.” 

[Aurelius]

25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Rashad White looks awful good just saying

Agree here.  I like him too.  All depends on how our front office grades out the backs.  I think we’d all love to not use the first round pick on a back unless it’s THE back.  I don’t know what the staff thinks at this point.  Will be fun day tomorrow for sure. 

[Milanos Milano]

Rashad White is to slow. 

[Aurelius]

2 minutes ago, Yantha said:

Yeah I'd agree with that.  Definitely adds another layer to defend.

 

I'll add that an "elite-level" slot WR can also open up the deeper routes.  A dominant interior OL can also help... opening holes no matter which RB is back there.

Hey, we have 2 of Derrick Henry’s

blockers now.  We just need a Derrick Henry… 😉

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Rashad White is to slow. 

4.48 and not a perimeter runner doesn’t check the boxes for what we need.  I like him otherwise but maybe not for us.  

[Yantha]

To be honest, I was hoping for KWIII moreseo than Hall until all the peer pressure by media and fans!  LOL.

 

JK...  Actually it was LaDanian Tomlinson who sold me on Hall over KWIII.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Rashad White is to slow. 

First time any has EVER said 4.48 is too slow for a RB.  Stop talking for awhile.  Now you’re just talking stupid just to try and raise your boy up.  Literally every RB in the draft has something wrong with them…. Except Breece Hall…..who can’t pass protect to save his life and could get our franchise QB killed in a fraction of a second

[Yantha]

And there are other lesser talked about options like ZaQuandre White that are interesting.  Interesting running style and very quick.

 

With Hall, he's all over the place, and arguably one of the biggest hyped players in the draft right now.  There's no telling how high he could go.  

[Milanos Milano]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

First time any has EVER said 4.48 is too slow for a RB.  Stop talking for awhile.  Now you’re just talking stupid just to try and raise your boy up.  Literally every RB in the draft has something wrong with them…. Except Breece Hall…..who can’t pass protect to save his life and could get our franchise QB killed in a fraction of a second

?? Nowhere does it say his weakness is pass protection. From everything I’ve read is he wasn’t asked to do it much, but doesn’t mean he isn’t capable. 
 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/breece-hall/32004841-4c18-9796-85f0-25933f010ae8

We want a RB that can get it to the outside. 4.48 speed vs 4.39 speed. Sorry I’m taking Hall because he played in Kromers type of schemes and is faster. 

Edited April 27, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[John from Riverside]

17 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Rashad White is to slow. 

Doesn’t look slow to me

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

?? Nowhere does it say his weakness is pass protection. From everything I’ve read is he wasn’t asked to do it much, but doesn’t mean he isn’t capable. 
 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/breece-hall/32004841-4c18-9796-85f0-25933f010ae8

 

LOL

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/2022-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-rb-breece-hall-iowa-state#gid=ci029ea1c900002620&pid=summary

 

He can clean up some issues in pass protection and doesn’t have a proven dynamic receiving ability beyond being a check-down option. Hall will be a starting running back in the league....

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

LOL

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/2022-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-rb-breece-hall-iowa-state#gid=ci029ea1c900002620&pid=summary

 

He can clean up some issues in pass protection and doesn’t have a proven dynamic receiving ability beyond being a check-down option. Hall will be a starting running back in the league....

This is a flaming pile of garbage. Obviously these people have never seen Hall’s one handed grabs downfield and grabs down the field. 

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

?? Nowhere does it say his weakness is pass protection. From everything I’ve read is he wasn’t asked to do it much, but doesn’t mean he isn’t capable. 
 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/breece-hall/32004841-4c18-9796-85f0-25933f010ae8

We want a RB that can get it to the outside. 4.48 speed vs 4.39 speed. Sorry I’m taking Hall because he played in Kromers type of schemes and is faster. 

I’ve seen it on several scouting reports….read more

 

Who’s to say that Walker can’t catch?  He just wasn’t asked to.  Walker might be a better receiver than HallZ. Right?

[gobills404]

29 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Rashad White is to slow. 

Ain’t no way you just called someone with an 86th percentile 40 yard dash slow. JFC.

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by gobills404

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, gobills404 said:

Ain’t no way you just called someone with an 86th percentile 40 yard dash slow. JFC.

 

Slow compared to Hall. Which is what I meant. I rather have more speed and size. 

[John from Riverside]

30 minutes ago, Aurelius said:

Hey, we have 2 of Derrick Henry’s

blockers now.  We just need a Derrick Henry… 😉

4.48 and not a perimeter runner doesn’t check the boxes for what we need.  I like him otherwise but maybe not for us.  

A RB that can run between the tackles should not be looked at as a negative.   I see plenty of plays on his tape that show him bouncing it outside.

 

Look I know that me bringing up another player then Breece the shiny new toy is causing mayhem...I am simply pointing out that there are options.

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Slow compared to Hall. Which is what I meant. I rather have more speed and size. 

Translation (I want my shiny new toy)

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

A RB that can run between the tackles should not be looked at as a negative.   I see plenty of plays on his tape that show him bouncing it outside.

 

Look I know that me bringing up another player then Breece the shiny new toy is causing mayhem...I am simply pointing out that there are options.

Translation (I want my shiny new toy)

? No, translation. I want the better prospect in the draft that fits what we want to do. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

? No, translation. I want the better prospect in the draft that fits what we want to do. 

Thats nice

 

We will remember that when teams outspeed us on defense and we get bounced out of the playoffs again for a back that is in a pass orientated system.

[Aurelius]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

A RB that can run between the tackles should not be looked at as a negative.   I see plenty of plays on his tape that show him bouncing it outside.

 

Look I know that me bringing up another player then Breece the shiny new toy is causing mayhem...I am simply pointing out that there are options.

Agree.  In addition, “slow” in this draft class means over 4.4 considering 5 backs ran in the 4.3’s which is unprecedented. 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Slow compared to Hall. Which is what I meant. I rather have more speed and size. 

Dude

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Slow compared to Hall. Which is what I meant. I rather have more speed and size. 

We'll take them both.  White can be a major weapon in passing game.  If he's there in Round 4 take him 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Dude

Why is this so hard for you? Is it not ok to want a RB that is bigger and faster? Bigger and faster is now bad? 

[JoPoy88]

17 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

This is a flaming pile of garbage. Obviously these people have never seen Hall’s one handed grabs downfield and grabs down the field. 

Lol. You’re parodying yourself at this point

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Why is this so hard for you? Is it not ok to want a RB that is bigger and faster? Bigger and faster is now bad? 

Bigger and faster than what?  Hall isn’t in our team.  He’s not a Bill……..White IS much bigger and faster than Singletary……what are you talking about?  

 

[FilthyBeast]

I get the Hall love after watching more tape on him.

 

But I still think it would be a little short sighted to give up on Singletary after he came on strong last year towards the end of the season (when we coincidentally ended the Zack Moss experiment and stopped wasting snaps on him).

 

So at this point if we do draft another RB I would prefer it to be somewhere in round 4 or later where you can still likely find an impact guy to pair with Singletary this season.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Every Buffalo media guy seems to be portraying it the other way.  
 

Sal was again talking about it.  Beane had limited 1st round players somewhere in the 18-20 range and he expected at least 1 or 2 to be available at 25.

 

Then they asked about RB and Beane seemed to lump them in with the next group and on his show Sal said basically if all of the 1st round talent was gone - they would look at RB, but that position would require someone with exceptional talent to exceed the positional value.

 

So maybe he did not come right out and say they do not have a 1st round grade, but the way he spoke and the things the various media got from interviews seem to point very highly to them thinking he is not a first round talent (He might still get drafted in the first because of the limited talent levels in this draft).

 

We will see - as I have said - he could take him, but I think that would be about the last thing they want to do.  
 

I struggle to find many recent 1st round RBs that are elite and worth the pick.  You don’t think the Giants are kicking themselves for picking Barkley at this point.  He is way over paid for his production.  The sweet spot is 2nd and 3rd round for RB because the salary is acceptable and you can run them into the ground and move on.

 

Many of these 1st round guys end up getting a huge second contract to justify the pick (Zeke, CMC, even Barkley got his option) and they just are not worth it.

 

Give me Walker in the 2nd or Cook in the 3rd and a premium position in the 1st and I am happier than Hall in the first.

 

 

More of a reason to pick up a RB in the first and have the ability to add the 5th year option. Hell, even the franchise tag in a RB is just over $9m which is the 2nd cheapest tag per position in the league behind K/P. Which makes the desire for an early RB make more sense. Especially since you generally get RBs in their prime early in their careers and the drop off in production is steep after about 5 years (based on history). 

 

Quarterback$29.703 million

Running back$9.570 million

Wide receiver$18.419 million

Tight end$10.931 million

Offensive linemen$16.662 million

Defensive end$17.859 million

Defensive tackle$17.396 million

Linebacker$18.702 million

Cornerback$17.287 million

Safety$12.911 million

Kicker/punter$5.220 million

Edited April 27, 2022 by mrags

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Bigger and faster than what?  Hall isn’t in our team.  He’s not a Bill……..White IS much bigger and faster than Singletary……what are you talking about?  

 

I’m saying Hall is bigger and faster than White. Which I’d rather have the biggest and fastest RB with production. Hall > White 

[mrags]

47 minutes ago, Yantha said:

Yeah I'd agree with that.  Definitely adds another layer to defend.

 

I'll add that an "elite-level" slot WR can also open up the deeper routes.  A dominant interior OL can also help... opening holes no matter which RB is back there.

Who is that WR you are expecting to get that out of at 25?

 

many would argue that after Jameson, Olave, Garrett, you aren’t getting that. 
 

if you bring up Sky Moore or Austin I’m gonna throw up. Way too small.