nucci Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I fully understand your point. Let me try to unbottle your mind. I overreacted to the signing. I just saw headlines of 6 years 20 mil without knowing the details. My mistake. Several here have pointed justly made that point. Some nice and professional others not so much. As I've stated I don't hate the signing. My eyeball test as stated before doesn't see Miller as elite but 2021 statistics show that he is. So it's probably safer to say my eyes aren't seeing things accurately. However, stats can be deceiving. It remains to be seen how good he will be as a Bill. Hope that helps obviously, since the season hasn't started. Don't worry about stats. Look at how good he is Edited March 17, 2022 by nucci 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 So of course, the details of the contract aren't out except this: It might be worth pointing out that Von Miller's last contract with the Broncos was 6 years, $117M with a signing bonus of $17M and $42M guaranteed at signing, $70M guaranteed overall. He played out 5.5 years of it before being traded. Obviously there's a lot of "Devil in the Details" of how this is structured. Practically speaking, the reason teams shy away from huge signing bonuses is because that's guaranteed money whether the player kicks ass or "goes on vacation", but when the money is guaranteed either way, there's a lot of freedom in how the money gets moved around between salary and bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryS Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I like the signing but I also wish we had just traded for him. Maybe the Bills and Rams would swap roles right now, with the Rams trying to go all-in again and signing MIller to a massive contract while the Bills celebrate a Lombardi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, harryS said: I like the signing but I also wish we had just traded for him. Maybe the Bills and Rams would swap roles right now, with the Rams trying to go all-in again and signing MIller to a massive contract while the Bills celebrate a Lombardi. I am happy we still have our picks. Watching the Bills play last season, I never got the sense that it was our year. Now, it is starting to feel like this team is being set up to take that next step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 The great defensive ends have all managed to play well into their 30's. Bruce until he was 40, Reggie White until he was 37. More recent guys like Peppers til he was 37 and that's off the top of my head. No reason to think he can't be very effective for a few years of this deal. He's been very healthy with only a handful of missed games in recent years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Who wears #58 on the Bills? Who wears #40 on the Bills? 🦗 Investigation over, complete That may be part of the reason. I got the full answer from his wiki page: Quote He wore No. 58 in honor of Pro Football Hall of Fame linebacker Derrick Thomas. Miller chose to wear number 40 for the Rams, his number at Texas A&M, with the familial blessing of Rams legend Elroy Hirsch since his number 58 was taken by Justin Hollins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, aristocrat said: The great defensive ends have all managed to play well into their 30's. Bruce until he was 40, Reggie White until he was 37. More recent guys like Peppers til he was 37 and that's off the top of my head. No reason to think he can't be very effective for a few years of this deal. He's been very healthy with only a handful of missed games in recent years. I think we, and Von, likely know this is a 3 year deal....but no reason to not think he won't play at a high level for these 3 years. Especially with McDermott's philosophy of using a heavy DL rotation. If I'm Buffalo, I use him as sparingly as possible against meh teams, and then unleash him in big games and the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I hate to be Eeyore - that's not usually the role I play - but I don't like this signing. Look at the production of pass rushers post 33yo. Von Miller is still a great player but the decline is inevitable. And then there's the opportunity cost. What players will we pass up because so much money is tied up in Von? That's my worry. But, as others have pointed out, the devil is in the (contract) details. If VM averages 10 sacks for the next few years and the real deal is 4 years at 17mill/year.... maybe Von is almost worth his price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, aristocrat said: The great defensive ends have all managed to play well into their 30's. Bruce until he was 40, Reggie White until he was 37. More recent guys like Peppers til he was 37 and that's off the top of my head. No reason to think he can't be very effective for a few years of this deal. He's been very healthy with only a handful of missed games in recent years. I think effective older players is going to be a trend with advances made in such things as nutrition and sports medicine. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, SWATeam said: I think effective older players is going to be a trend with advances made in such things as nutrition and sports medicine. and practices are easier and most vets always get an extra day off during the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 $13.5M cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I hate to be Eeyore - that's not usually the role I play - but I don't like this signing. Look at the production of pass rushers post 33yo. Von Miller is still a great player but the decline is inevitable. And then there's the opportunity cost. What players will we pass up because so much money is tied up in Von? That's my worry. But, as others have pointed out, the devil is in the (contract) details. If VM averages 10 sacks for the next few years and the real deal is 4 years at 17mill/year.... maybe Von is almost worth his price. Can't predict it but yeah there's going to be dead cap with this deal most likely in 2024 or 2025. There's ways to offset that dead cap. The easiest way will be converting Josh Allen base salary into bonus. It'll create all the cap room needed to cover any potential dead cap from Von Miller. The Bills are in great shape cap wise as of now. We don't know what happens in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, ALF said: $13.5M cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Greg Tompsett from cover 1 said on their most recent podcast that he thinks Millers cap hit this year will be around 7 million, next year around 10 million then year three it will go up quite a bit. 2 minutes ago, ALF said: $13.5M cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ That’s not counting contracts for Miller, Jones, Saffold, Howard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, ALF said: $13.5M cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ When did Wade sign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, ALF said: $13.5M cap space now , I don't know how Beane did it https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ We're not. That doesn't include a lot of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I hate to be Eeyore - that's not usually the role I play - but I don't like this signing. Look at the production of pass rushers post 33yo. Von Miller is still a great player but the decline is inevitable. And then there's the opportunity cost. What players will we pass up because so much money is tied up in Von? That's my worry. But, as others have pointed out, the devil is in the (contract) details. If VM averages 10 sacks for the next few years and the real deal is 4 years at 17mill/year.... maybe Von is almost worth his price. Von Miller and Chandler Jones were the only two elite pass rushers on the FA market. Both are the same age. Both got, basically, guaranteed 3 year contracts. The next level were guys like Zadarius Smith, Uchenna Nwosu etc.. a step down for Miller & Jones. Then there's the trade market. We saw what 31 yr old Khalil Mack went for. Danielle Hunter is reportedly being shopped, but I have to believe the asking price starts at a 1st RD pick minimum... only 27, but with a rough injury history the past two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 15 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I hate to be Eeyore - that's not usually the role I play - but I don't like this signing. Look at the production of pass rushers post 33yo. Von Miller is still a great player but the decline is inevitable. And then there's the opportunity cost. What players will we pass up because so much money is tied up in Von? That's my worry. But, as others have pointed out, the devil is in the (contract) details. If VM averages 10 sacks for the next few years and the real deal is 4 years at 17mill/year.... maybe Von is almost worth his price. He is the same age as Chandler Jones and Mack and they are still productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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