Better Call Saul - final season April 18,2022

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, davefan66 said:

 

I also held out hope that the throw away line meant Nacho survived.  Interesting part of the prequel is we know who makes it out of BCS, except Kim.  I do have a theory on what happens to her.

 

I’d guess the Saul’s mansion with golden toilet was bought with the sandpiper money. 

It will be such a gut punch to the audience if they kill Kim - I'm wondering if she goes into witness protection after giving up some goods on the cartel - maybe to cover;save Jimmy.

 

Re: the mansion I was going to say above when they started the Howard scam my first thought was well this isn't going to end well b/c somehow Jimmy's gonna get screwed out of the money altogether - but yeah when they showed the mansion my thought was they were successful and he did get paid - and blew it on that (it seems at some point the full blown transition to Saul must really escalate)

[davefan66]

8 hours ago, stevewin said:

It will be such a gut punch to the audience if they kill Kim - I'm wondering if she goes into witness protection after giving up some goods on the cartel - maybe to cover;save Jimmy.

 

Re: the mansion I was going to say above when they started the Howard scam my first thought was well this isn't going to end well b/c somehow Jimmy's gonna get screwed out of the money altogether - but yeah when they showed the mansion my thought was they were successful and he did get paid - and blew it on that (it seems at some point the full blown transition to Saul must really escalate)

Whatever happens to Kim, it has to fit within the constraints of the BB universe.  She’s not there, and never a mention.  
 

I don’t feel she gets killed.  I feel Nacho dying was the big hit we get this season leaving us feeling anything is possible with Kim.

[gomper]

What is amazing about BCS is, to me, how they have rolled two shows into one. The first 4 seasons were a study in a slow burn character development. How Jimmy changed, his relationship with his brother Chuck, Kim, Mike, Howard and on and on.

 

Now, all the decisions these characters made have them going full throttle into the BB pace and twists we all love. 

 

Bad choice road indeed.

[meazza]

Great episode though I really wish this was released in bulk.  Hate waiting for a week .

[Nextmanup]

I've said from the beginning that Kim will choose to dump Jimmy and move on with her life.  That will be the reason why she was never around in the BB universe.  Just a guess though! 

 

I have said this also from day 1: Kim and Jimmy's relationship is simply not convincing.  They do not relate to each other on screen like 2 people who live together.  They treat each other in formal, respectful fashion, frequently hide things from one another (mostly Jimmy not as much Kim), and I don't know--they just have very little on-screen charisma together.

 

I think it will be easy to break them up when the time comes and have Kim move on with her life.

 

She is WAY better than Jimmy/Saul and in real life I don't feel like those 2 people would be together.

 

 

[Special K]

Kim and Mike meet for the first time! Worlds are colliding!!

 

When I saw a bald guy sitting at the diner counter out of focus, I knew it was going to be Mike. That was a really cool scene between the two of them...I like when Kim realized "You're the guy from the desert." Good stuff.

 

The funniest part of the scheme to discredit Howard part of the episode was the fact that Saul got mad that someone moved the cone from the parking space...."What kind of an a**hole moves a cone??!! No Saul, what kind of an a-hole steals a man's car so he can impersonate him and kick a prostitute out of his car in front of his co-worker?🤣🤣

 

[transplantbillsfan]

This is top 3 in my best shows ever.

 

I loved the way they developed Nacho throughout the series.  It was the reverse of Saul or Walt in BB.  What happened to him was inevitable, but also loved the way he went out. Everyone keeps saying Mike is Breaking Bad, but I disagree.  He's already exactly where he's always been.  He was never exactly good.  He's always been a really good complex character... kind of an anti-hero.  For all the good he tries to do (save Saul in the desert, help his family, try desperately to convince Gus to let Nacho go, etc.) he does an equal amount of bad... but he's conflicted.  Mike is what he is and even was what he was back when his son was alive and he was a cop.

 

Kim is interesting in terms of her character development.  I don't know how I feel about it.  I'll say this, I don't think she dies.  I also don't think she exactly dumps him.  What happens to her (I believe) connects to the way they've begun every single season so far.

 

Finally, I can't decide if I like the artistic beginnings or if they feel forced.  One thing I liked was the symbol of the ice cream parallel to Jimmy finally really becoming part of the cartel pretty much officially.  Jimmy innocently about to eat ice cream.  Cartel takes him to the dessert.  Ice cream eaten by ants by the time he gets back

[May Day 10]

Hoping to see:

 

The vet

Tortuga

Skinny Pete and/or Combo

Kuby (Bill Burr)

 

[davefan66]

What a great episode.  BB and BCS world starting to come together.  Mike meets Kim  was an excellent scene.  Almost as if both of them know the inevitable.  Connected. Saul gets his office.  Weird the whole tunnel and biking couple.  Loved that “spooge” made an appearance before he gets his head smushed by the ATM.

 

Subtle tension throughout.  Waiting for the the other shoe to drop.  Very well done.

Edited May 10, 2022 by davefan66

[meazza]

Too many filler episodes.

[May Day 10]

On 5/8/2022 at 1:35 PM, davefan66 said:

What a great episode.  BB and BCS world starting to come together.  Mike meets Kim  was an excellent scene.  Almost as if both of them know the inevitable.  Connected. Saul gets his office.  Weird the whole tunnel and biking couple.  Loved that “spooge” made an appearance before he gets his head smushed by the ATM.

 

Subtle tension throughout.  Waiting for the the other shoe to drop.  Very well done.

 

the spooge thing was genius.  Loved how he was pretty normal and you get the spectrum that meth and the blue meth turned him into a mutant.

[Nextmanup]

I thought last night's episode was somewhat weak.  Not a lot happening.

 

 

[PetermansRedemption]

Is it just me or did they make Werner’s wife a little out of his league. 

[Dr Krentist]

[gomper]

21 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I thought last night's episode was somewhat weak.  Not a lot happening.

 

 

Totally agree. The boxing scene was ridiculous. That being said, this show has delivered time and again. I never underestimate these writers. It's going to be a hell of a finish.

[May Day 10]

11 minutes ago, gomper said:

Totally agree. The boxing scene was ridiculous. That being said, this show has delivered time and again. I never underestimate these writers. It's going to be a hell of a finish.

 

It feels like the Point A to point B at this point doesnt need a 13 episode season to be honest.  Ill take it though as Im not in any hurry to leave New Mexico

[Special K]

23 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I thought last night's episode was somewhat weak.  Not a lot happening.

 

 

 

One of the interesting things in this episode was actually seeing the “Chicken Man” Gus spooked and scared.....never saw him like that in Breaking Bad(until a second before the wheelchair bomb explodes!!)....I’m sure this is tied to the fact that Gus will handle the Lalo problem before BCS ends.

Edited May 11, 2022 by Special K

[K-9]

On 5/9/2022 at 10:52 PM, meazza said:

Too many filler episodes.

This kind of criticism really underscores just how good the show is. Remember “The Fly” episode in BB? 

[PetermansRedemption]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This kind of criticism really underscores just how good the show is. Remember “The Fly” episode in BB? 

My least favorite breaking bad episode lol. Apparently I’m no TV critic because I know a lot of people love it. All I remember from that episode is “spillage”. 

2 hours ago, Special K said:

 

One of the interesting things in this episode was actually seeing the “Chicken Man” Gus spooked and scared.....never saw him like that in Breaking Bad(until a second before the wheelchair bomb explodes!!)....I’m sure this is tied to the fact that Gus will handle the Lalo problem before BCS ends.

Seeing how absolutely terrible Hector is in BCS actually makes me a bit disappointed that he gets revenge in BB. 

[gomper]

Last night was fun. Kim is just basically trouble at this point. She simply can't hold herself back. Lalo remains to be as resourceful as ever. He's a great character.

[PetermansRedemption]

I find myself really disliking Kim and Jimmy. In addition, I know it’s a TV show, but it’s completely unrealistic that Jimmy would run into this judge in some random liquor store. 

[Royale with Cheese]

12 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said:

I find myself really disliking Kim and Jimmy. In addition, I know it’s a TV show, but it’s completely unrealistic that Jimmy would run into this judge in some random liquor store. 

 

It is but you have to make the show interesting so unusual things happen.  Like I remember one episode of the Walking Dead where they are walking through a town and a rocket launcher was just sitting right there ready for use.  

[May Day 10]

I wonder if there is going to be a major turn in this next episode whether it is Kim vs Saul or Saul vs Kim.  Im hoping not, this show is above a cheap heel turn.

[Royale with Cheese]

29 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

I wonder if there is going to be a major turn in this next episode whether it is Kim vs Saul or Saul vs Kim.  Im hoping not, this show is above a cheap heel turn.

 

I don't know if I missed it or not but Kim's new proposed position doesn't require relocation?  I'm wondering if that's how they write her off the show or something.

 

[shrader]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't know if I missed it or not but Kim's new proposed position doesn't require relocation?  I'm wondering if that's how they write her off the show or something.

 

 

They've been dropping little hints at Omaha for her throughout the series.  This time it was the Nebraska license plate in her flashback.  I think she's alive and they're somehow going to bump into Gene at the end of the series.

 

On a side note, nothing was more infuriating than hearing the phrase "miseason finale" pop up in the preview for next week.  The show takes 18 years each year to film their next season and AMC is going to play that game with us?

[Special K]

On 5/18/2022 at 12:48 PM, shrader said:

 

They've been dropping little hints at Omaha for her throughout the series.  This time it was the Nebraska license plate in her flashback.  I think she's alive and they're somehow going to bump into Gene at the end of the series.

 

 

 

Very interesting.......I like this theory!👍

[Royale with Cheese]

OMG

[gomper]

Well, that was some ending. Wtf?

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, gomper said:

Well, that was some ending. Wtf?

My jaw stayed dropped for like 5 minutes.

[stevewin]

OMG - Bonkers.

 

Can't say I saw that coming.  OMG

[Mr Info]

44 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

My jaw stayed dropped for like 5 minutes.

…worth watching the subsequent Talking Saul episode which was entertaining and good follow to Season 6 halftime had Odenkirk, Rhea Seehorn, Patrick Fabian, Peter Gould, and other cast members.

[stevewin]

7 hours ago, Mr Info said:

…worth watching the subsequent Talking Saul episode which was entertaining and good follow to Season 6 halftime had Odenkirk, Rhea Seehorn, Patrick Fabian, Peter Gould, and other cast members.

Was just going to post this after watching.

 

Gould talking about left turns coming for the 2nd half - both him an Odenkirk talking about twists and turns while still having satisfying conclusions true to the different characters - could bode well that Kim does make it (would they really speak interms of 'satisfying' if Kim got killed?)

 

Random thought about the episode - at one point after Lalo's masterstroke to use the phone bug to his favor, Mike tells Gus we've pulled the protection from all the "low priority" targets, my first thought at the time was does that include his granddaughter - turns out it did include Jimmy and Kim.  The fact that Mike considered/determined that Jimmy and Kim were "low priority" targets (after Mikes' earnest dicussion with Kim that she would be protected) ia what ultimately led to Howard's demise.

Edited May 24, 2022 by stevewin

[Dr Krentist]

I feel bad for Howard. He didn't deserve to go out like that. Now everyone's last memories of him will be him drugged out.

[May Day 10]

I liked Howard as a character.  Well-played.  I was kind of angry about Kim and Saul going at him.

 

When Howard showed up at the end of the 'finale', I expected something drastic to go down.  I thought he would pull out a gun or something and off himself I dont know.  Just wrong place, wrong time.

[Royale with Cheese]

19 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

I liked Howard as a character.  Well-played.  I was kind of angry about Kim and Saul going at him.

 

When Howard showed up at the end of the 'finale', I expected something drastic to go down.  I thought he would pull out a gun or something and off himself I dont know.  Just wrong place, wrong time.

 

I didn't expect Lola to show up but I thought something was up.  I did think suicide for a second.  I mean his reputation is tarnished and his wife is leaving him...

Edited May 24, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[May Day 10]

Zero Gene so far as well

[Buftex]

On 5/17/2022 at 7:01 PM, PetermansRedemption said:

I find myself really disliking Kim and Jimmy. In addition, I know it’s a TV show, but it’s completely unrealistic that Jimmy would run into this judge in some random liquor store. 

That was the brilliance of "Breaking Bad".  You spent most of the series feeling somewhat sympathetic, and rooting for Walt...but by the end, I think many (me included) couldn't wait to see him get what he deserved.  it is the whole concept of "breaking bad"... it just kind of happens to people, when they aren't even conscious that it is happening.

 

btw- speaking of "the judge", I didn't realize until last nights' episode that he is played by John Ennis...part of Odenkirk's old "Mr Show" crew.

 

1 hour ago, May Day 10 said:

Zero Gene so far as well

I got a little pulled away at the very end of the show last night...but wasn't there a brief "black and white" snippet...some sort of reference to Gene?

Edited May 24, 2022 by Buftex

[coloradobillsfan]

19 hours ago, stevewin said:

Can't say I saw that coming.  OMG

The social media post Bob O posted way back in December 21 that showed Howard with blood in his hair made this a bit more anticlimactic for me.  I really wish they wouldn't allow leaks like that.  

EDIT:  Following up; Bob posted this a few minutes ago:
 

Mr. Bob Odenkirk  24m

@mrbobodenkirk

Well the truth can be told. I screwed up. I did not know you could see a little bit of make up that told story… my bad

 

Edited May 24, 2022 by coloradobillsfan

[K-9]

The mother of all unintended consequences. Another great episode. 

[May Day 10]

Pretty good payoff for waiting and watching their scheme unfold too.   

 

 

I wonder where it goes from here.  What would Lalo want/need from Saul/Kim?  Part of me doubts Kim will leave that "talk" but it would seem early to end that character.  I do think Kim may have reached her full arc though turning into a full monster and it would be a fitting end. 

It seems like there isn't a ton of ground to cover for 6 episodes-worth.  Hoping we get at least a full episode for the Gene/Saul conclusion in Omaha.