Kyler Murray unfollows Cardinals on social media

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Wrong way around. 

Baseball is great. Soccer sucks in the US because the talent and the professional system suck, but it's still a great game. Anyone American who is any good ain't staying to play here. They are moving on to the big leagues. In terms of talent/competitiveness, MLS remains a step below the Turkish league, and that's why the sport has never become popular here. It's not the sport; it's the fact that a US league is simply unable to break out of the ranks of developing world countries. No one here wants to watch that -- Americans like being number one, after all. That's why the Premier League is actually more popular in the US than the crap product fans are offered here. I have been hearing for close to 50 years (Pele!) about how soccer will break out of the cult sport ghetto, but it has never come close to happening. Tons of kids play it here, but once they get to 13-14 years old the talented ones are funneled into the sports that "matter."  It's a vicious cycle and I don't see it ending any time soon.

Edited February 8, 2022 by dave mcbride

[eball]

On 2/7/2022 at 1:57 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

That wins out hands-down over anything Allen did in the Houston playoff game, and he deserves a ***** ton of flak for it.

 

Sugar High Josh looked at that play and told Murray to "settle down."

[stevewin]

3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I consider myself pretty into sports in general, and I don't even notice that baseball is going on. For all I know there are games tonight. Now if it's a Tuesday night and there's nothing else on I might put on game 7 of a World Series during dinner just to have something on.  

This is one of the most vicious lowkey disses I've ever seen lol

[Freak-O]

3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I personally can't watch either. 

 

Soccer fans are so intense for a game where nobody ever scores and it just ends in penalty kicks where the goalie has to defend a net the size of a house. 

 

Personally I'd rather watch a sport where every goal matters than something like basketball. Penalty kicks are only used in playoff situations in the big international tournaments btw.

[Mattymafia]

I'm not gonna buy into this because I have seen Tre White do the same thing at least twice during the off season. 

[TheFunPolice]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

You are wildly wrong about baseball's popularity: https://www.thesportsbank.net/business/nfl-vs-mlb-detailed-look-at-popularity-levels-of-both-sports/. Sure, the NFL is king by a long ways, but baseball is a LOT more popular than basketball and hockey. And as for TV ratings, comparing the two is silly even though the NFL is obviously king. Baseball's bread and butter is 30 local deals, not the national contracts with the networks. 

 

If you lived in Boston, NY, LA, or St. Louis, you'd realize how culturally resonant baseball is with the average person. The Yankees, for instance, are the most popular team in NY State, and by a fair amount. The Giants are third. https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2016/04/05/new-york-giants-top-buffalo-bills-new-york-jets-as-most-popular-team-in-the-state/

 

I guess it's more popular than I realized, so that's good for MLB fans!

 

In WNY we get all up in arms when people mock the NHL, so I get it. Come to think of it, MAN do I miss hockey. It's like the Sabres disappeared 10 years ago and moved to the moon. 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

 

I guess it's more popular than I realized, so that's good for MLB fans!

 

In WNY we get all up in arms when people mock the NHL, so I get it. Come to think of it, MAN do I miss hockey. It's like the Sabres disappeared 10 years ago and moved to the moon. 

I totally hear you about Buffalo. Growing up there, I thought the NHL was massively popular. Then you go elsewhere, and you learn that it's not. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

6 hours ago, benderbender said:

Murray would be much better off in a non-contact sport. Pitch counts, over a 4 hour game, with plenty of rest between games? Sounds like less overall injury risk for a game in which height doesn’t matter as much. Also MLB players make more money on average AND their contracts are guaranteed. Sounds like a no brainer. 

 

Average contract doesn't apply when we're talking about a #1 overall pick QB that has 3 solid-to-great seasons under his belt. Spotrac already has his market value at 43 mm. 

 

Unless he has a devastating injury and/or his play falls off a kliff he's going to be making bank on his next contract. 

 

If he goes to MLB he'll have a few years on a rookie contract and after that he'd have to be literally the best player in MLB history to even approach what he will make as a QB.

 

Not really buying the injury risks when he's missed 3 NFL games total in 3 seasons. MLB is less violent than the NFL, but there's still plenty of injury risks. Sliding into bases ain't no joke, and there's a huge toll on muscles/joints by throwing a ball or swinging a bat as often as they do.   

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

Average contract doesn't apply when we're talking about a #1 overall pick QB that has 3 solid-to-great seasons under his belt. Spotrac already has his market value at 43 mm. 

 

Unless he has a devastating injury and/or his play falls off a kliff he's going to be making bank on his next contract. 

 

If he goes to MLB he'll have a few years on a rookie contract and after that he'd have to be literally the best player in MLB history to even approach what he will make as a QB.

 

Not really buying the injury risks when he's missed 3 NFL games total in 3 seasons. MLB is less violent than the NFL, but there's still plenty of injury risks. Sliding into bases ain't no joke, and there's a huge toll on muscles/joints by throwing a ball or swinging a bat as often as they do.   

I think Murray's terrible performance in his first playoff game at the end of his 3rd season is cause for concern.  I don't see anyone paying him over 40 million per year in a long term contract (as opposed to year-to-year as a franchise QB) until they get a better read on whether he can up his game in the playoffs.

 

The other issue with Murray is that looking at his stats he has not improved over his first three seasons.  His TD pass numbers, TD/INT ratio and passing yards appear to have plateaued.  He has not thrown for 30 TD's yet nor has he thrown for over 4,000 yards.  From a stat & eye test Murray is similar to Dak Prescott but 6 inches shorter.

 

 

 

 

[eball]

6 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Baseball is great. Soccer sucks in the US because the talent and the professional system suck, but it's still a great game. Anyone American who is any good ain't staying to play here. They are moving on to the big leagues. In terms of talent/competitiveness, MLS remains a step below the Turkish league, and that's why the sport has never become popular here. It's not the sport; it's the fact that a US league is simply unable to break out of the ranks of developing world countries. No one here wants to watch that -- Americans like being number one, after all. That's why the Premier League is actually more popular in the US than the crap product fans are offered here. I have been hearing for close to 50 years (Pele!) about how soccer will break out of the cult sport ghetto, but it has never come close to happening. Tons of kids play it here, but once they get to 13-14 years old the talented ones are funneled into the sports that "matter."  It's a vicious cycle and I don't see it ending any time soon.

Before I begin my response let me make something clear: I like soccer. I played it at a reasonably high level through high school. My dad was German and actually had some records at UB for a while. I understand and respect the game. 
 

I don’t watch soccer now except for the Euros and World Cup. Couldn’t care less about the leagues here and abroad. 
 

I have always stated, and still believe, that soccer is the world’s most popular sport for one reason only — it’s cheap. You need a field and a ball. It can be played anywhere and requires no financial investment. But it’s not the most entertaining or “beautiful” sport. Not by a long shot.
 

I’ve heard the same people predict soccer’s rise in the US over the years and chuckled under my breath. I think it is as big as it will ever get. 

[ArtVandalay]

On 2/7/2022 at 1:40 PM, Albany,n.y. said:

Let the rumors start that he's going back to baseball.  

 

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2022/02/07/kyler-murray-unfollows-cardinals-social-media-scrubs-photos/6689468001/

Did he start following the Athletics?

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I think Murray's terrible performance in his first playoff game at the end of his 3rd season is cause for concern.  I don't see anyone paying him over 40 million per year in a long term contract (as opposed to year-to-year as a franchise QB) until they get a better read on whether he can up his game in the playoffs.

 

The other issue with Murray is that looking at his stats he has not improved over his first three seasons.  His TD pass numbers, TD/INT ratio and passing yards appear to have plateaued.  He has not thrown for 30 TD's yet nor has he thrown for over 4,000 yards.  From a stat & eye test Murray is similar to Dak Prescott but 6 inches shorter.

 

 

 

 

He’s got them by the balls.  He’s doing what Lamar should’ve done last offseason.
 

-They built their offense around him and basically wasted a first round pick the year before which they traded up for.

 

-They’re in the best division in the NFC where if you don’t have a top qb you’re screwed.

 

-He’s proven himself enough where he can demand top dollar.

 

-He has the trump card in threatening to go play for the A’s and retire.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He’s got them by the balls.  He’s doing what Lamar should’ve done last offseason.
 

-They built their offense around him and basically wasted a first round pick the year before which they traded up for.

 

-They’re in the best division in the NFC where if you don’t have a top qb you’re screwed.

 

-He’s proven himself enough where he can demand top dollar.

 

-He has the trump card in threatening to go play for the A’s and retire.

 

I agree with 3 of your 4 points.  But IMO Murray has not proved himself yet. 

 

After three seasons:

 

*  He has yet to throw for 4000 or more yards.

 

*  He has yet to throw 30 or more TD's

 

*  If you look at his trajectory he has not really improved since his rookie season.

 

*  His one playoff game was a disaster.  It was one of the worst QBed playoff games I've seen in the last 20 years.

 

IMO the Cards would be better off with Jimmy G at QB. 

 

As an aside can you imaging if Allen had the same stats and outcomes after 3 full seasons, including a playoff game, that Murray has had? It would be a blood bath on 2BD and a lot of people would be screaming that no way should the Bills give Allen a big contract.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Seven pages about whether a QB unfollowed a social media site? What would Johnny Unitas think about this? Ugh!

[BuffaloBillyG]

11 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree with 3 of your 4 points.  But IMO Murray has not proved himself yet. 

 

After three seasons:

 

*  He has yet to throw for 4000 or more yards.

 

*  He has yet to throw 30 or more TD's

 

*  If you look at his trajectory he has not really improved since his rookie season.

 

*  His one playoff game was a disaster.  It was one of the worst QBed playoff games I've seen in the last 20 years.

 

IMO the Cards would be better off with Jimmy G at QB. 

 

As an aside can you imaging if Allen had the same stats and outcomes after 3 full seasons, including a playoff game, that Murray has had? It would be a blood bath on 2BD and a lot of people would be screaming that no way should the Bills give Allen a big contract.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me play Devil's Advocate here for a second.

 

This year Murray had:

4300 yards and 29 TDs while missing 3 games.

 

Last year:

4790 yards and 37 TDs

 

Rookie year:

4266 yards and 24 TDs

 

Allen's first 3 years he had:

2020- 4965 yards and 45 TDs

2019- 3599 yards and 29 TDs

2018- 2704 yards and 18 TDs (12 games)

 

On these boards when trying to prove a point about Allen we include his rushing totals into an "all purpose" context quite frequently. Same can be done Murray.

 

His 1 playoff game was a disaster. However, to back and watch Josh in the 2nd half of his 1st playoff game against the Texans. 

 

Not saying Murray is going to follow the same path and has the same room to grow as Allen, however statistically speaking they are in the same ballpark through similar points of their career.

[dave mcbride]

13 hours ago, eball said:

Before I begin my response let me make something clear: I like soccer. I played it at a reasonably high level through high school. My dad was German and actually had some records at UB for a while. I understand and respect the game. 
 

I don’t watch soccer now except for the Euros and World Cup. Couldn’t care less about the leagues here and abroad. 
 

I have always stated, and still believe, that soccer is the world’s most popular sport for one reason only — it’s cheap. You need a field and a ball. It can be played anywhere and requires no financial investment. But it’s not the most entertaining or “beautiful” sport. Not by a long shot.
 

I’ve heard the same people predict soccer’s rise in the US over the years and chuckled under my breath. I think it is as big as it will ever get. 

It's less about money - it's the #1 sport in the wealthiest countries of the world (minus the US and Canada) by far -- and more about path dependency in fandom and age-old loyalties to venerable local teams that almost everyone in that locality has an interest in (think the Bills). I couldn't give a flying eff about the World Cup; what interests me is Leicester winning the Premier League after being a doormat for eons. Intense fandom in these places is tied to local teams just like fandom in the US is tied to teams that have been around forever and are basically part of the weather (i.e., the Red Sox, the Packers, etc.).  

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Let me play Devil's Advocate here for a second.

 

This year Murray had:

4300 yards and 29 TDs while missing 3 games.

 

Last year:

4790 yards and 37 TDs

 

Rookie year:

4266 yards and 24 TDs

 

Allen's first 3 years he had:

2020- 4965 yards and 45 TDs

2019- 3599 yards and 29 TDs

2018- 2704 yards and 18 TDs (12 games)

 

On these boards when trying to prove a point about Allen we include his rushing totals into an "all purpose" context quite frequently. Same can be done Murray.

 

His 1 playoff game was a disaster. However, to back and watch Josh in the 2nd half of his 1st playoff game against the Texans. 

 

Not saying Murray is going to follow the same path and has the same room to grow as Allen, however statistically speaking they are in the same ballpark through similar points of their career.

No reason to play Devils Advocate.  Your just telling the truth.

 

Murray has gotten better each season and the Cardinals have gotten better each season with him.

 

Completion %, Yards, Touchdowns, Yards per Attempt, Rating and Arizona team record

 

All have improved each season.

 

People got to let the Hail Murray Play really warp them.  Sheesh!

[BuffaloRebound]

There are at least 20 teams who’d be more than happy to give Murray a long term deal at $35+m per year.  The baseball thing is stupid and not even worth talking about.  The more relevant thing to talk about is how Lamar Jackson representing himself is hurting multiple QB’s.  I bet Mayfield would’ve got a long term deal last offseason if Jackson did.  I think Murray is in same boat this off-season.  There’s an order to these things and teams typically wait to see what the bigger fish signs for.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

8 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

No reason to play Devils Advocate.  Your just telling the truth.

 

Murray has gotten better each season and the Cardinals have gotten better each season with him.

 

Completion %, Yards, Touchdowns, Yards per Attempt, Rating and Arizona team record

 

All have improved each season.

 

People got to let the Hail Murray Play really warp them.  Sheesh!

Saying anything positive about any QB not named Josh Allen on these boards is a very dangerous game. Be it right or wrong😂

[GunnerBill]

46 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I agree with 3 of your 4 points.  But IMO Murray has not proved himself yet. 

 

After three seasons:

 

*  He has yet to throw for 4000 or more yards.

 

*  He has yet to throw 30 or more TD's

 

*  If you look at his trajectory he has not really improved since his rookie season.

 

*  His one playoff game was a disaster.  It was one of the worst QBed playoff games I've seen in the last 20 years.

 

IMO the Cards would be better off with Jimmy G at QB. 

 

As an aside can you imaging if Allen had the same stats and outcomes after 3 full seasons, including a playoff game, that Murray has had? It would be a blood bath on 2BD and a lot of people would be screaming that no way should the Bills give Allen a big contract.

 

I was with your previous post. Murray does strike me more as 2nd tier Quarterback in the Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson mold than a real top tier guy who could break into the elite. 

 

But then you said the Cardinals would be better with Jimmy G who is very much a tier 3 guy. 

 

I would also say that I don't often rate QBs by their first playoff trip. That often goes sideways and doesn't mean a guy is bad.