NakedSquid Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I just looked at the list of expiring contracts and there's more than $30 million in expiring contracts, but all reports say that we're up against the cap for next year is that because next year's contracts are being boosted by that much? I know Allen is going up a bunch... Can anyone explain. Thanks https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-free-agency-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes-harrison-phillips/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, NakedSquid said: I just looked at the list of expiring contracts and there's more than $30 million in expiring contracts, but all reports say that we're up against the cap for next year is that because next year's contracts are being boosted by that much? I know Allen is going up a bunch... Can anyone explain. Thanks https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-free-agency-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes-harrison-phillips/ Best place to see the details… https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loveorhatembillsfan4life Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Ugh Freakin Star lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, NakedSquid said: I just looked at the list of expiring contracts and there's more than $30 million in expiring contracts, but all reports say that we're up against the cap for next year is that because next year's contracts are being boosted by that much? I know Allen is going up a bunch... Can anyone explain. Thanks https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-free-agency-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes-harrison-phillips/ Expiring contracts don't count against the cap as basially those players are all due zero in 2022. The only way the team saves money against next years cap is to either cut a player under contract assuming the dead cap hit isn't larger than the actual cap hit. This past season Star fit into that situation, would have basically cost as much to cut him as keep him. The other way to save money is to re-do, extend, reduce existing contracts with the players approval. But to answer your question, ignore expiring contracts WRT the 2022 cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 NO CONFUSION HERE: as opposed to Daboll now wears the latter. (Russ Brandon was not involved in the development, manufacture, or marketing of these caps. No matter what he might claim.) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Definitely got to trim the fat off the top, the first 4 on the Spotrac site is $35 mil alone and not nearly worth that to keep around 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 39 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said: Definitely got to trim the fat off the top, the first 4 on the Spotrac site is $35 mil alone and not nearly worth that to keep around TF are you talking about? Sort by cap hit. The top 4 on the list are $63.3M There is no fat to trim off Stefon Diggs or Tredavious White Josh Allen admits he could lose a few pounds Very few football knowledgeable people would assert those three aren't worth it to keep around. Josh Allen's full salary hasn't hit yet, Diggs is underpaid relative to vet WR with similar production, and Tre White is paid like a top-5 CB - which he is. 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I could see D. Williams restructure. Mongo, Star, Klein, and Beasley face a ‘restructure or release’ scenario. I know the team is only around 9 million right now, but they can open it up to ~25 if need be. 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: TF are you talking about? Sort by cap hit. The top 4 on the list are $63.3M There is no fat to trim off Stefon Diggs or Tredavious White Josh Allen admits he could lose a few pounds Very few football knowledgeable people would assert those three aren't worth it to keep around. Josh Allen's full salary hasn't hit yet, Diggs is underpaid relative to vet WR with similar production, and Tre White is paid like a top-5 CB - which he is. I think he was being sarcastic…? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 D line under contract is very underwhelming after Ed. You’ve got a very expensive Star, and then very unproven Gregory, AJ, Boogie and Mike Love…. They really need a home run this draft. A lot of high priced average talent on this roster at this point. 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: TF are you talking about? Sort by cap hit. The top 4 on the list are $63.3M There is no fat to trim off Stefon Diggs or Tredavious White Josh Allen admits he could lose a few pounds Very few football knowledgeable people would assert those three aren't worth it to keep around. Josh Allen's full salary hasn't hit yet, Diggs is underpaid relative to vet WR with similar production, and Tre White is paid like a top-5 CB - which he is. I had to assume sarcasm on that one.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 53 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Expiring contracts don't count against the cap as basially those players are all due zero in 2022. The only way the team saves money against next years cap is to either cut a player under contract assuming the dead cap hit isn't larger than the actual cap hit. This past season Star fit into that situation, would have basically cost as much to cut him as keep him. The other way to save money is to re-do, extend, reduce existing contracts with the players approval. But to answer your question, ignore expiring contracts WRT the 2022 cap. his point was if 30M comes off the books, whose cap hits are suddenly backfilling that from our existing roster in next years calculation. IE generally he expected to see $30m to play with but guys are instead just costing more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I could see D. Williams restructure. Mongo, Star, Klein, and Beasley face a ‘restructure or release’ scenario. I know the team is only around 9 million right now, but they can open it up to ~25 if need be. I think he was being sarcastic…? The Bills are currently over the cap -$1.3M. They can push some money out to next year BUT Josh Allen's cap hit goes up $24M to $39M next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I think he was being sarcastic…? It's possible. In my defense, sometimes it's hard to tell around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's possible. In my defense, sometimes it's hard to tell around here. Literally one of the most difficult things to do around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Definitely would help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, NoSaint said: his point was if 30M comes off the books, whose cap hits are suddenly backfilling that from our existing roster in next years calculation. IE generally he expected to see $30m to play with but guys are instead just costing more Some cap hit increases: - Edmunds went up almost $9M - Allen up about $6M - Diggs up about $11.5M - note that the Bills paid him a large portion of his 2011 salary as a signing bonus to create space last year. - Sanders and Addison have dead cap of about $3.4M total due to voidable years. I just got started and there’s about $30M right there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, NakedSquid said: I just looked at the list of expiring contracts and there's more than $30 million in expiring contracts, but all reports say that we're up against the cap for next year is that because next year's contracts are being boosted by that much? I know Allen is going up a bunch... Can anyone explain. Thanks https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/2022-free-agency-buffalo-bills-jerry-hughes-harrison-phillips/ The Bills can free up a lot of space restructuring contracts and they have the option to cut Beasley and Mongo. If they cut those two players and restructure Josh, Diggs, Milano, Tre, Dawkins, Hyde and D.Williams they will have about 36 million in cap space and another 3 million if they want to restructure Star but that would make Star harder to cut in 2023 so pick your poison on that one. Given how the Bills restructured many contracts last off-season I will not be shocked to see them do the same this off-season. With about 36-39 million to work with the Bills will easily have enough space to resign many of their own free agents but likely not enough to go "big name" hunting in free agency either. Expect the off-season to look similar to 2021 where the team's biggest acquisition (Sanders) was a mid-level acquisition and the rest of the moves were mainly to resign the team's current talent. The draft will likely be where "upgrades" happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I’d trade or cut Edmunds, keep Klien and draft a replacement. Use savings for a true pass rusher. 1 minute ago, billsfan89 said: The Bills can free up a lot of space restructuring contracts and they have the option to cut Beasley and Mongo. If they cut those two players and restructure Josh, Diggs, Milano, Tre, Dawkins, Hyde and D.Williams they will have about 36 million in cap space and another 3 million if they want to restructure Star but that would make Star harder to cut in 2023 so pick your poison on that one. Given how the Bills restructured many contracts last off-season I will not be shocked to see them do the same this off-season. With about 36-39 million to work with the Bills will easily have enough space to resign many of their own free agents but likely not enough to go "big name" hunting in free agency either. Expect the off-season to look similar to 2021 where the team's biggest acquisition (Sanders) was a mid-level acquisition and the rest of the moves were mainly to resign the team's current talent. The draft will likely be where "upgrades" happen. I’m not as big in keeping some of our guys, and we have not received many “upgrades” in the past few drafts. Hopefully we get a Chandler Jones or some impact front 7 in FA. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Some cap hit increases: - Edmunds went up almost $9M - Allen up about $6M - Diggs up about $11.5M - note that the Bills paid him a large portion of his 2011 salary as a signing bonus to create space last year. - Sanders and Addison have dead cap of about $3.4M total due to voidable years. I just got started and there’s about $30M right there. Yeppers. I guess this is as good as any place to congratulate Devin Singletary and Dawson Knox on their bumps in pay in accordance with the NFL Proven Performance Bonus escalators. They both got over $1M in 2022 raises! OTC has great details on the program. https://overthecap.com/proven-performance-escalator/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 These are the must haves and I expect Beane is working on it: Diggs restrux/extension - $6M savings White restrux - $7M savings Dawkins restrux - $5M savings Those are the big ones. More can be picked up restrux even Milano, Hyde, Williams, Star, Allen Add in releasing Beasley, Klein, Mata and Ford. We now have $50M in Cap Space... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Big problem this year, two years of pandemic cap. We dont have much rollover money $2 millionish, and the cap this year is low 208.2 given the current player salaries. Going to have to move on from guys like Feliciano, Beasley, and Starr- and then you have a major decision to make with Levi Wallace as his market value should be a little north of $8 million a year. Management really needs to decide if they are going to stick to their mantra of rewarding players already in the building with contracts for hard work and good play. Wallace, and Phillips have really earned extensions, but that's probably around $14 million for two guys who are are just good players, not world beaters. Truth is you need guys like that, but it could come at the cost of spending money on a really nice pass rusher like Chandler Jones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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