brianthomas Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 14 hours ago, Utah John said: I grew up in West Seneca at about the same time Daboll did. Went to West Seneca East. I think there was ONE black student in the entire school. Not a diverse community. ha same with me. I believe his last name was Jones & he played football of course, but i could be messing up the name. I've killed off a lot of those brain cells from back then. It always did feel a bit weird to me i remember. That we were like living in a bubble & it wasnt an accurate depiction of the world at large. But as time has gone on its become more diverse which is good. I know Daboll went to St Francis but with how small a community it is, maybe i crossed paths with him. Perhaps with you as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 To paraphrase Henny Youngman, take my offensive coordinator, please. Would kill two birds with one stone: ensuring Jacksonville continues to stink and, well, yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Jerome007 said: I was a big Daboll fan till this year. He developed Josh really well, got a lot of great plays in the pass game, not conservative. But it really seems like he plateaued out. Not helping the OL, super vanilla run game, stubbornness in not calling run plays, screens, moving the pocket, etc. Not using designed QB runs vs the Cheats in that weather? I don't get it. Chiefs only won in OT last night. Monster game by Kelce and Hill as usual, but it's not like the Chiefs had it easy. Yet look at all the small tweaks they put almost every game. Last night great use of the FB for example. After so many years of HC/OC stability, yeah I expected a LOT more this year. The failures in the schemes are well known yet not truly corrected, as if ego was in the way. If Daboll stays, fine. If he goes, fine. While last year I was thinking that the Pegulas should roll back the money truck and dump some cash in his driveway. I think it's hard to fault Daboll, just like it's hard to fault the running backs and McDermott, when the O-line is a jailbreak on virtually every down. For all we know, Daboll is dialing up fantastic plays that we never see because Allen has to improvise, again, or the backs get tackled behind the LOS, again. At some point, someone will write an article pointing out that never in NFL history has there been such a disparity of parts: excellence across the board--QB, RB, WR, TE, coaching, and the entire defense--with a single position that was so weak that it sunk all the other parts. Put another way, the Bills might have been undefeated quality if Beane had done what KC did and given the O-line top priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 I can see him being hired and working with Lawrence to develop him. It could be the best thing for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 The Bills just unleashed 24 second half points, and it should have been 28 with a victory, on the road against the defending champs. Let's get rid of Daboll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Beast said: Let's get rid of Daboll. I concur! What happened in the first half...3 points to 24 and things looked hopeless while Allen under relentless pressure, sacked 3x. Lots have commented that McD read the riot act to both his DC & OC at the half. Suddenly, the Bills found a run game with their crappy O line and RBs. That suddenly found run game allowed the line to give Allen time in the pocket. Something that we should have been seeing from the start of the season!! Would that second half have happened with any other QB? A lot of Josh Allen heroics in that game and he came up limping. Excuse me for wanted to see Buffalo keep Allen in the pocket and let the RBs take the hits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Watkins90 said: Doug Pederson is a horrible head coach who only won a Super Bowl because he had Jim Schwartz and Frank Reich as his assistants. Actually it was a lot more about Chip Kelly really bringing the RPO into prominence in the league, training Nick Foles to be very good at running it.......... and of course whipping the Eagles roster into great physical shape and leaving more talent behind than people acknowledge. His fingerprints are on that trophy more than those of Schwartz and Reich. Pederson was the "player's coach" following the disciplinarian. That's generally a good combo but like Wade Phillips following Bills Parcells........it can look great for a short time........but when you aren't an attention to detail coach......when it starts going bad it goes bad fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Actually it was a lot more about Chip Kelly really bringing the RPO into prominence in the league, training Nick Foles to be very good at running it.......... and of course whipping the Eagles roster into great physical shape and leaving more talent behind than people acknowledge. His fingerprints are on that trophy more than those of Schwartz and Reich. Pederson was the "player's coach" following the disciplinarian. That's generally a good combo but like Wade Phillips following Bills Parcells........it can look great for a short time........but when you aren't an attention to detail coach......when it starts going bad it goes bad fast. Disputable. Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz are the only two talented players Chip acquired in his tenure that were on the SB run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Won't happen. We're not that lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, FireChans said: Disputable. Lane Johnson and Zach Ertz are the only two talented players Chip acquired in his tenure that were on the SB run. I didn't say "acquired". I've noticed that misreading and subsequently misrepresenting a point is a running theme with you over the years...........this then leads to other people assuming what you misrepresented was an actual point of contention etc.. The majority of the very top players on that 2017 Eagles roster had also played for....and trained under Chip Kelly. Foles was just the latter of those two things........but the RPO stuff he learned in his 28 TD 2 INT season under Kelly was crucial to them actually upsetting NE in the SB. Not that finding 2 All Pro's in 2 seasons is a particularly bad haul though. Edited December 18, 2021 by BADOLBILZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I didn't say "acquired". I've noticed that misreading and subsequently misrepresenting a point is a running theme with you over the years...........this then leads to other people assuming what you misrepresented was an actual point of contention etc.. The majority of the very top players on that 2017 Eagles roster had also played for....and trained under Chip Kelly. Foles was just the latter of those two things........but the RPO stuff he learned in his 28 TD 2 INT season under Kelly was crucial to them actually upsetting NE in the SB. Not that finding 2 All Pro's in 2 seasons is a particularly bad haul though. Well "leaving behind more talent than people acknowledge" isn't really a feather in his cap if he didn't acquire them lol. Yes, I guess he DIDN'T trade away Kelce or Brooks or Peters or Fletcher Cox or Jenkins or Ertz or Johnson. Meanwhile, he lost Maclin, traded McCoy for Kiko, and then subsequently threw a bunch of money at Demarco Murray and the oft-injured Ryan Matthews to replace him. Kudos to the Chipster. Most people probably don't acknowledge he left them with a lot of talent because that talent preceded him, and he did lose a CONSIDERABLE amount of talent. Chip also got Ertz and Johnson year 1. In the next two years, he drafted Marcus Smith (who I had to google as I wasn't sure he was a real player), and Nelson Agholor with his first rounders. Absolutely Foles benefitted from his system experience, no doubt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, FireChans said: Well "leaving behind more talent than people acknowledge" isn't really a feather in his cap if he didn't acquire them lol. Yes, I guess he DIDN'T trade away Kelce or Brooks or Peters or Fletcher Cox or Jenkins or Ertz or Johnson. Meanwhile, he lost Maclin, traded McCoy for Kiko, and then subsequently threw a bunch of money at Demarco Murray and the oft-injured Ryan Matthews to replace him. Kudos to the Chipster. Most people probably don't acknowledge he left them with a lot of talent because that talent preceded him, and he did lose a CONSIDERABLE amount of talent. Chip also got Ertz and Johnson year 1. In the next two years, he drafted Marcus Smith (who I had to google as I wasn't sure he was a real player), and Nelson Agholor with his first rounders. Absolutely Foles benefitted from his system experience, no doubt. It is when the narrative on TSW was that Kelly had left the roster bereft and set the team back 5 years.........and then after one season of developing a rookie QB later they were dominating the NFC in the 2017 season. Much of that was homers jumping to LeSean McCoy's defense.........but McCoy just wouldn't take the inside yards in Philly(or in his first year in Buffalo) so Chip had to dump him and his fat salary. The mistake was overpaying for the other RB's. Combined they actually produced a better running game than McCoy had the year prior.......he actually lead the NFL in fewest yards per touch in his last season in Philly............ but Kelly vastly overpaid Murray and Matthews. As for all of the talent "preceding" him.........he took over a 4-12 team so you doth protest too much. He whipped them into shape.......often too their dislike........and won 10 games in both of his seasons with Philly. Again...........please be more thorough with the reading comprehension..........the straw man arguments created by not doing so are tiresome and pollute threads. Edited December 18, 2021 by BADOLBILZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: It is when the narrative on TSW was that Kelly had left the roster bereft and set the team back 5 years.........and then after one season of developing a rookie QB later they were dominating the NFC in the 2017 season. That's TSW. They thought missing on a first round QB set a team back 5 years, despite, you know, getting a first rounder every year lol. Fair enough though. I thought you were praising Kelly's team-building, of which I would vehemently disagree. 21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: As for all of the talent "preceding" him.........he took over a 4-12 team so you doth protest too much. That 4-12 team absolutely HAD talent. It was a year removed from Reid's "dream team." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 3 hours ago, RunJoshRun said: I've posted this before - - I don't think Daboll WANTS to be a HC in the NFL. He knows the game too well! What makes you think that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Nihilarian said: I concur! What happened in the first half...3 points to 24 and things looked hopeless while Allen under relentless pressure, sacked 3x. Lots have commented that McD read the riot act to both his DC & OC at the half. Suddenly, the Bills found a run game with their crappy O line and RBs. That suddenly found run game allowed the line to give Allen time in the pocket. Something that we should have been seeing from the start of the season!! Would that second half have happened with any other QB? A lot of Josh Allen heroics in that game and he came up limping. Excuse me for wanted to see Buffalo keep Allen in the pocket and let the RBs take the hits. Daboll, for as good as he is in the passing game, he's equally bad and unimaginative in the running game. I think this line probably would like to run block more. But they arent being coached up by Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 This author has no idea, just making WAG’s from the likely candidates. Khan needs to clean house and fire the GM too. He has the money to pay for the best and they need a culture change.Peterson brought the crappy Eagles to a SB win, and was undermined along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 This guy cant put together a consistant offence and he's gonna be a HC?? No one is taking this guy.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: It is when the narrative on TSW was that Kelly had left the roster bereft and set the team back 5 years.........and then after one season of developing a rookie QB later they were dominating the NFC in the 2017 season. Much of that was homers jumping to LeSean McCoy's defense.........but McCoy just wouldn't take the inside yards in Philly(or in his first year in Buffalo) so Chip had to dump him and his fat salary. The mistake was overpaying for the other RB's. Combined they actually produced a better running game than McCoy had the year prior.......he actually lead the NFL in fewest yards per touch in his last season in Philly............ but Kelly vastly overpaid Murray and Matthews. As for all of the talent "preceding" him.........he took over a 4-12 team so you doth protest too much. He whipped them into shape.......often too their dislike........and won 10 games in both of his seasons with Philly. Again...........please be more thorough with the reading comprehension..........the straw man arguments created by not doing so are tiresome and pollute threads. He had 3 seasons, not two. He was fired at 6-9. He was a bad NFL Head Coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Beast said: The Bills just unleashed 24 second half points, and it should have been 28 with a victory, on the road against the defending champs. Let's get rid of Daboll. How did they do in the first half and the last 5 games? Pretty small sample size you’re using to make a point. Edited December 18, 2021 by Weatherman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 33 minutes ago, Weatherman said: How did they do in the first half and the last 5 games? Pretty small sample size you’re using to make a point. Ill help, hows the REDZONE offense been all year? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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