Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I'm confused. How are their stats not comparable? Josh has over 700 more yards and 2 TDS on the year than Rodgers. Yep. He also has more turnovers. Okay... but Josh has a lot more yards. Then start sprinkling in the fact that Rodgers has an actual run game with maybe the best 1-2 punch at RB and I don't understand how anyone could possibly say Josh isn't right up there at this point. See above I was thinking more of Brady than Rodgers. Rodgers probably gets dinged points for missing that one game especially because of the way it happened lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Hunh...? Josh Allen doesn't have the lowest completion rate in the NFL or the 3rd lowest passer rating or... what drug are you on? He is saying of the top 10 passing yards leaders, not in the entire NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I was thinking more of Brady than Rodgers. Rodgers probably gets dinged points for missing that one game especially because of the way it happened lol Brady right now has less than 200 more yards than Allen, 3 more TDs, and 1 fewer turnover. Again, how is that not comparable? Oh... and he has 3 remaining games potentially without any or all of Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, and Leaonard Fournette. How is Allen out of this again? 2 hours ago, Scott7975 said: He is saying of the top 10 passing yards leaders, not in the entire NFL. Got it... see that now... weird way to define something. "Out of the top 10 he's the worst"... Bizarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Allen would have to finish the last three games 3-0 and with 12 total TD's to have a chance to win it. Even then I could see it going to Taylor, Rodgers or Brady. I would probably have those three as the favorites to win it in that order. Allen would be fourth. But finishing with 47 total TD's and winning the division could be enough. Anytime in the next three games would be a great time for Allen to put up his first 6 TD game but the next game would be the best time. For rushing TD's and yards simply don't mean as much as passing TD's and yards. I don't agree with it but it's just the reality of the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Hunh...? Josh Allen doesn't have the lowest completion rate in the NFL or the 3rd lowest passer rating or... what drug are you on? Learn to read and figure out the context. 4 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: Now a lot can be blamed on the O-line/Daboll, but Josh simply doesn't have the stats for MVP. Out of the top 10 passing yard leaders... - Lowest YPA. - Lowest completion rate. - 2nd most INTs. - 3rd lowest passer rating. - 3rd lowest 1st down %. - 3rd fewest 20 yard plays. Even if you add his rushing totals, he's not clearing the lists for yards or TDs. Objectively he is a top 5 QB and will be for a long time, but he's not getting the help to make a bid. Edited December 21, 2021 by 1ManRaid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 With 3 games left Allen is still in the mix for sure. If by chance he lights it up the last 3 games like he's definitely capable of doing, then he climb right back in the top. Certainly not impossible.... All that said though, I doubt it goes that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Just have to see how it plays out. I'll say this: throwing an INT per game is not helping his chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, MJS said: Just have to see how it plays out. I'll say this: throwing an INT per game is not helping his chances. Yeah that's gone on far too long. Surprised it's been going as long as it has since Josh usually doesn't throw INTs very often. When Josh turned the ball over most of the time it was a fumble. Hope this gets cleaned up starting Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Brady right now has less than 200 more yards than Allen, 3 more TDs, and 1 fewer turnover. Again, how is that not comparable? Oh... and he has 3 remaining games potentially without any or all of Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown, and Leaonard Fournette. How is Allen out of this again? Got it... see that now... weird way to define something. "Out of the top 10 he's the worst"... Bizarre Did you factor in rushing yards/tds? That’s a good point I didn’t realize that would close the gap that much. If we go on to win the division it would be hard to make a case against him Edited December 21, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Imagine if he didn’t get pulled in the fourth quarter in a couple blowouts. Kinda sad his red zone interception free streak ended when his arm got hit while throwing Edited December 22, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Am I missing something here? Josh broke that last year by 660 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 He’s got 80 total touchdowns since the start of 2020 and is pretty much the bills offense. If you take away his rushing yards the bills have the worst rushing attack not named the Houston Texans in the league Aaron Rogers will probably win it again simply by default and the fact he plays in a atrocious division but to say Josh doesn’t at least have an outside chance is ridiculous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He’s got 80 total touchdowns since the start of 2020 and is pretty much the bills offense. If you take away his rushing yards the bills have the worst rushing attack not named the Houston Texans in the league Aaron Rogers will probably win it again simply by default and the fact he plays in a atrocious division but to say Josh doesn’t at least have an outside chance is ridiculous I wonder if they won’t rank rodgers as highly because of the whole ‘I was inoculated’ debacle leading him to miss a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I wonder if they won’t rank rodgers as highly because of the whole ‘I was inoculated’ debacle leading him to miss a game. Only if it causes them to not get the number one seed in my opinion. But it looks like even with him missing that game they’ll still get the number one seed. So I don’t see it coming into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Although Josh's INT numbers are up a bit and his completion percentage down a bit he is still having a really really good season. Considering his O-line play is worse this season I think you can say that even though there might be a small bit of regression (he has made more head-scratching turnonvers this season) he still in 2021 is giving you no reason to doubt he is a franchise QB. Unless Josh goes on a monster tear to end the season and other MVP candidates tank or get hurt he isn't going to win the MVP but he is putting together another great season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Although Josh's INT numbers are up a bit and his completion percentage down a bit he is still having a really really good season. Considering his O-line play is worse this season I think you can say that even though there might be a small bit of regression (he has made more head-scratching turnonvers this season) he still in 2021 is giving you no reason to doubt he is a franchise QB. Unless Josh goes on a monster tear to end the season and other MVP candidates tank or get hurt he isn't going to win the MVP but he is putting together another great season. Fickle little race. Its still wide open. If Allen has a monster game in New England, and win, he will catapult to the front of the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I was kind of over this MVP race thing but now that Allen isn't a pro-bowler it would be so funny to see him end the season 3-0, win the division and finish the season with like 13 TD's over the final three games and win the MVP. And twenty years later people will look back and be like WTF? He won the MVP and wasn't named a pro-bowler? Perfect time to have his first 6 TD game this weekend. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) On 12/22/2021 at 9:15 AM, 78thealltimegreat said: He’s got 80 total touchdowns since the start of 2020 and is pretty much the bills offense. If you take away his rushing yards the bills have the worst rushing attack not named the Houston Texans in the league Aaron Rogers will probably win it again simply by default and the fact he plays in a atrocious division but to say Josh doesn’t at least have an outside chance is ridiculous Is that also taking away all teams QB rushing yards? Otherwise that is kind of useless. Also would YPC and tds. Should they be listed as the worst running team if they don’t actually run in as many times as other teams? Edited December 24, 2021 by mattynh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 By the end of the season, Mahomes will get more votes for MVP. Check the numbers and record. Wasn't there a thread comparing their past certain # of games showing Josh is better? Funny how it was brought up during a bad stretch for Mahomes. A few even said Josh will end up the better QB when all is said and done. I get Josh is our guy, but don't let that fact affect your sensibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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