Pegulas invite UB football to new stadium. UB prefers to stay on campus.

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Buffalo is unique - has infrastructure to support a city three times its size.

I know there are studies out there that say there is little economic benefit to a downtown stadium. 
 

I can fund a study too that says a downtown stadium near a casino is an economic goldmine.

 

I wonder if those studies ever  focused on NFL cities the size of Buffalo - the second smallest city in the NFL and an economically deprived city with numerous bombed out corners covered by parking lots, limited subway infrastructure, and a population base that is slowly growing.

 

They probably focused on large cities w limited space, bursting population centers and vibrant economies.

 

The area has to find a way to bring the core back and develop from the center.

In the past 10-15 years there's been a resurgence of development

 

Downtrodden cities like Buffalo don't turn around overnight... It's literally a 30 40 year plan

 

And there's already a lot of parts of downtown that have seen economic revivals... Mom and pop shops, boutiques

 

Hipsters are moving back into the city cuz it's trendy now

[chris heff]

32 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Still a resident of Buffalo

 

I don't think anybody saying they don't want the city to be bustling.. it's already a beautiful city 

 

The only thing is there's been a lot of studies shown that downtown stadiums do nothing for a cities  economy... So statistically building a stadium downtown is going to do nothing for the economy

 

Football stadiums are never money makers for the economy

 

So it's one thing to want buffalo to be beautiful and bustling.. but a stadium downtown is not going to make that happen .

 

It's not what changes cities

 

 

Granted I just Googled “do downtown stadiums help city economy” not one article or study came up that specifically states that. Plenty that said stadiums no matter where they are don’t really help the economy. One article about new arena in Sacramento has helped downtown, but an arena is different that a stadium.

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Granted I just Googled “do downtown stadiums help city economy” not one article or study came up that specifically states that. Plenty that said stadiums no matter where they are don’t really help the economy. One article about new arena in Sacramento has helped downtown, but an arena is different that a stadium.

The area doesn't matter.. stadiums don't help the economy of wherever they are.. suburbs or downtown most studies indicate

[chris heff]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

The area doesn't matter.. stadiums don't help the economy of wherever they are.. suburbs or downtown most studies indicate

Exactly, I just have a hard time seeing them dump a couple of billion into Orchard Park. Like I said Rich Stadium ended up in Orchard Park by default. Did find an interesting article about the future of stadiums, smaller and more luxurious could be the trend.

[BillStime]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

In the past 10-15 years there's been a resurgence of development

 

Downtrodden cities like Buffalo don't turn around overnight... It's literally a 30 40 year plan

 

And there's already a lot of parts of downtown that have seen economic revivals... Mom and pop shops, boutiques

 

Hipsters are moving back into the city cuz it's trendy now

And a billion dollar stadium would have ZERO impact on hotels restaurants, stores?

 

Improved public transportation infrastructure wouldn’t help a city like Buffalo?

I just don’t buy it.

 

[Punching Bag]

57 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

But TG weekend they aren't around anyway. 

 

As someone who lived in dorms when I went to UB that is not true.

Most of the NYers and Lon G'Islanders went home to their rich mommy and daddy (rich but too cheap to pay for private colleges) but there were plenty of students there off campus and on.   We even had an event one year on Thanksgiving and watched football.   

[Punching Bag]

6 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Exactly, I just have a hard time seeing them dump a couple of billion into Orchard Park. Like I said Rich Stadium ended up in Orchard Park by default. Did find an interesting article about the future of stadiums, smaller and more luxurious could be the trend.

 

I have more hard time seeing them spending more to put it elsewhere and both UB, Buffalo, Greater Love Canal or Dunkirk Don's dream stadium.

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, BillStime said:

And a billion dollar stadium would have ZERO impact on hotels restaurants, stores?

 

Improved public transportation infrastructure wouldn’t help a city like Buffalo?

I just don’t buy it.

 

8 to 10 games a year really does have little economic impact

 

All those restaurants are operating 365 a year..  there's tons of thriving restaurants downtown , 8 days a year of business isn't really going to change things

 

Hotels around the city are filled up 

 

And buffalo is a smart drinking City... Sure you get younger adults who will party downtown and hit strip... But dive bars are King in the city

 

most people won't be hitting the bar scene downtown and paying $15 a drink before the Bills game... They would much rather buy 12 pack for that price and just pre-game with Friends... Which is why I don't think it's going to have a huge impact on the bar/restaurant scene 

 

If they Put it downtown it's because it's the best place for a football

 

 

Edited September 25, 2021 by Buffalo716

[WhoTom]

9 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Did find an interesting article about the future of stadiums, smaller and more luxurious could be the trend.

 

Makes sense, from a financial standpoint. A smaller footprint means less land to buy and lower building and maintenance costs, and those who can afford to pay the premium for tix and PSLs are willing to blow a C-note or more on beer and food.

[Doc Brown]

15 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Doc, I think they mentioned a canopy so in essence the upper and part of the lower decks would be covered from snow, rain, and most importantly wind.  By installing those huge heating lamps would also create a much more mild environment.  It also on the field will still look like an open stadium which a lot of people like so without the heavy winds at times, the field would still see a little snow.  I love it, and given in another thread people are not happy about PSL’s, they would only be worse in other places mentioned.

Seems like a lot of effort when you can just throw a roof over it but it's better than nothing.  I went to the game in Minnesota's new stadium the first year it opened and was awed at the design.  It felt like an outdoor game even though it was inside.  You could pry build a similar type stadium for around the same price. 

[chris heff]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

As someone who lived in dorms when I went to UB that is not true.

Most of the NYers and Lon G'Islanders went home to their rich mommy and daddy (rich but too cheap to pay for private colleges) but there were plenty of students there off campus and on.   We even had an event one year on Thanksgiving and watched football.   

You do realize that people from Long Island pay taxes in New York State and the UB is a State college. And I hope that everyone else will recognize that  “ Lon G’ Islanders” is an anti Semitic slur. 

Edited September 26, 2021 by chris heff

[Doc]

15 hours ago, BillStime said:

There's reason for NFL to fear Jeff Bezos. But it's not big enough to keep him out, especially if London is in play

 

All the more reason to help make the Bills more viable in one of the leagues smallest markets.

 

Small thinking like building in OP does not help the owners maximize revenue. Does nothing to help the tax payers maximize its investment.

 

Does nothing for WNY to help turn itself around and it starts by capitalizing on these once in a lifetime transformative opportunities.

 

The league does not care about your desire to tailgate.

Keeping a team in Buffalo does nothing to help the owners maximize profit, even with a downtown stadium. We are fortunate that the Rams moved from St. Louis and the city sued Jerry Jones over it. He doesn’t want another situation like that on his hands (whether STL has a case or not). 
 

And why should the NFL fear Bezos?  A team in London will be a failure. 

[SirAndrew]

9 hours ago, chris heff said:

You do realize that people from Long Island pay taxes in New York State and the UB is a State college. And I hope that everyone else will recognize that  “ Lon G’ Islanders” is an anti Semitic slur. 

 

Please explain so I don’t offensively use this remark. I’m not meaning to be sarcastic in any sense, but I’ve never heard anyone say this before, and I’m confused. 

[That's No Moon]

9 hours ago, chris heff said:

You do realize that people from Long Island pay taxes in New York State and the UB is a State college. And I hope that everyone else will recognize that  “ Lon G’ Islanders” is an anti Semitic slur. 

It is? Everyone on Lawn Guileland is Jewish? I think the Jesuit who taught me social studies in 11th and 12th grade would disagree.

[chris heff]

14 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

It is? Everyone on Lawn Guileland is Jewish? I think the Jesuit who taught me social studies in 11th and 12th grade would disagree.

Did you read his entire post? He also says everyone from Long Island is rich and cheep at best that statement is stereotyping at worst it is a racial trope. I lived on Long Island and no not everyone is Jewish, but that particular accent both you and the original poster mimicked would be stereotyping a NYC area Jewish American accent. You took Social Studies in 11th and 12th grade? The Franciscan nuns taught me Social Studies in 5th and 6th grade. If I recall correctly Social Studies combined geography with culture, I don’t remember it ridiculing regional accents.

[SirAndrew]

23 minutes ago, chris heff said:

Did you read his entire post? He also says everyone from Long Island is rich and cheep at best that statement is stereotyping at worst it is a racial trope. I lived on Long Island and no not everyone is Jewish, but that particular accent both you and the original poster mimicked would be stereotyping a NYC area Jewish American accent. You took Social Studies in 11th and 12th grade? The Franciscan nuns taught me Social Studies in 5th and 6th grade. If I recall correctly Social Studies combined geography with culture, I don’t remember it ridiculing regional accents.

So native Long Islanders who are Irish, Italian, etc don’t have the Long Island accent ? 

[chris heff]

4 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

So native Long Islanders who are Irish, Italian, etc don’t have the Long Island accent ? 

No not all it depends on where you are. The original poster objects to students from Long Island because their parents are rich and cheep. Rich and cheep is a Jewish stereotype and has been for centuries, the Irish and Italians have their own stereotypes, which is not rich and cheep. When you combine rich and cheep with that particular accent who do you conclude he is writing about?

[Mr. WEO]

19 hours ago, BillStime said:

1) Yea - shocker - developers taking advantage of public money. Find a publicly funded project that doesn’t. 

 

2) Not the governments fault Tesla hasn't met growth expectations and is still slowly ramping up.

 

3) Downtown stadium isn’t going to go to remote, unaccessible location like the Tesla plant.

 

And let’s keep repeating the same mistakes from the past 50 years and ensure there is zero economic impact to the region building in OP.

 

You said this:  "Areas like WNY only get one transformational opportunity a lifetime to capitalize on a billion plus dollar opportunity."

 

Buffalo got the billion (not just for a Tesla plant) from the State.  It was a criminal enterprise.

 

Another billion for a rarely used stadium (in OP, not downtown) cannot bring "transformation" and is always a bad (not good) public investment.

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, chris heff said:

Did you read his entire post? He also says everyone from Long Island is rich and cheep at best that statement is stereotyping at worst it is a racial trope. I lived on Long Island and no not everyone is Jewish, but that particular accent both you and the original poster mimicked would be stereotyping a NYC area Jewish American accent. You took Social Studies in 11th and 12th grade? The Franciscan nuns taught me Social Studies in 5th and 6th grade. If I recall correctly Social Studies combined geography with culture, I don’t remember it ridiculing regional accents.

Well if you want to be technical it was AP American History and AP World History but I didn't realize I needed to be that specific. To answer your question, no actually I didn't read his entire post. FTR I've had multiple people in my life, including quite recently insist that Long Island be pronounced the way I spelled it. Oddly, all of those people are actually from Long Island and all of them are Italian. I don't know what that means but it is what it is. Also, one can acknowledge linguist differences without mocking them. Finally, Long Island sucks.

[chris heff]

28 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

Well if you want to be technical it was AP American History and AP World History but I didn't realize I needed to be that specific. To answer your question, no actually I didn't read his entire post. FTR I've had multiple people in my life, including quite recently insist that Long Island be pronounced the way I spelled it. Oddly, all of those people are actually from Long Island and all of them are Italian. I don't know what that means but it is what it is. Also, one can acknowledge linguist differences without mocking them. Finally, Long Island sucks.

I lived on Long Island for years, no one ever suggested I pronounce it that way and furthermore most of them didn’t pronounce it that way, even the Italian ones. In the original post that you admittedly didn’t read in its entirety, the poster objected to students from LI attending UB. His premise, as he mocked the accent, was that their rich and cheep parents should send them to private schools. “Rich and cheep” is an anti Semitic trope, centuries old, Shakespeare wrote a whole play about in the sixteenth century and it was probably centuries old then. If the original used that accent and the implied that the students from LI had a horse’s head cut off and put in the Dean’s bed, then he would have been talking about Italians. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

Keeping a team in Buffalo does nothing to help the owners maximize profit, even with a downtown stadium. We are fortunate that the Rams moved from St. Louis and the city sued Jerry Jones over it. He doesn’t want another situation like that on his hands (whether STL has a case or not). 
 

And why should the NFL fear Bezos?  A team in London will be a failure. 

 

Sued Pegula and the other 30 owners too...

 

16 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

As someone who lived in dorms when I went to UB that is not true.

Most of the NYers and Lon G'Islanders went home to their rich mommy and daddy (rich but too cheap to pay for private colleges) but there were plenty of students there off campus and on.   We even had an event one year on Thanksgiving and watched football.   

 

So NYers (i assume you mean NYC) and LI'ers who went to UB were "most"ly rich kids with "cheap" parents?

 

Yes, SUNY Buffalo is a well known bastion for the downstate scions of the rich, lol.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Sued Pegula and the other 30 owners too...

You must have gotten wood typing that. But guess who voted against the move…

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, Doc said:

You must have gotten wood typing that. But guess who voted against the move…

 

If correcting your false posts gave me wood, I would have needed surgical priapism correction over a decade ago. 

 

Doesn't do it for me doc.  Who draws wood shooting fish in a barrel?

 

 

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

If correcting your false posts gave me wood, I would have needed surgical priapism correction over a decade ago. 

 

Doesn't do it for me doc.  Who draws wood shooting fish in a barrel?

Sure. It’s the “hero worship.”

 

And what you really need is Prevagen.  With a Haldol chaser.

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

Sure. It’s the “hero worship.”

 

And what you really need is Prevagen.  With a Haldol chaser.

 

you keep mentioning hero worship.  This isn't the "Shady" McCoy thread doc.  Maybe you meant to start another?

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

you keep mentioning hero worship.  This isn't the "Shady" McCoy thread doc.  Maybe you meant to start another?

 

 

Why? So you can twist yourself into knots over why shady should be guilty for stuff he didn’t do?

 

But “hero worship” was your excuse for why you don’t like Terry.  Maybe one day you’ll admit the real reason but it’s not like it really matters, does it?

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

 

Why? So you can twist yourself into knots over why shady should be guilty for stuff he didn’t do?

 

But “hero worship” was your excuse for why you don’t like Terry.  Maybe one day you’ll admit the real reason but it’s not like it really matters, does it?

 

No doubt many like you see him as a hero for "keeping the Bills in Buffalo (for as long as you are alive unless the free money for a new stadium isn't enough, right?)"

 

I just see him as another ultra wealthy NFL owner looking for a handout for his publicly stated goal of maintaining his family's lifestyle as the business plan (amidst layoffs) of PSE and who would obviously move the team if it suited him.  

 

What's to like about that?

Edited September 26, 2021 by Mr. WEO

[Cheektowaga Chad]

if its in op, I really hope its nearly 100% funded by the pegulas

 

Downtown and in/near the ub north campus provides so much more use and opportunities for the area

 

Putting at ub makes a ton of sense to me. You want to spend 1.5 billion plus on a structure that is used 8-12 times a year? Put it on/near a school campus and see the structure get used a lot more especially if its roofed 

[Punching Bag]

17 hours ago, chris heff said:

You do realize that people from Long Island pay taxes in New York State and the UB is a State college. And I hope that everyone else will recognize that  “ Lon G’ Islanders” is an anti Semitic slur. 

 

Of course they pay taxes when they cannot get away from it. One roommate of mine told me his college education was paid by falsifying paying of business taxes.  I asked if he knew that NYS paid bounties on turning in tax evaders.  He did not tell me more about it in future.

 

And no it is not anti Semitic but you can pretend otherwise.

I was corrected many times by down state people on "correct" pronunciation and most of them are not Jewish so it is hardly anti Semitic.

Down state people treated locals life trash when I was there and I see no reason for me to change my opinion because a defender.

 

 

But you want to be their cheerleader fine. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 9/24/2021 at 6:08 PM, Don Otreply said:

Until ground is broken, Ya never know, a new stadium might just end up some place else we had not considered, I’m certain that the Pegulas would be real pleased to see more events in their new stadium…., where ever it ends up.., 😁

 

Letchworth 😁😁

 

 

[chris heff]

2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Of course they pay taxes when they cannot get away from it. One roommate of mine told me his college education was paid by falsifying paying of business taxes.  I asked if he knew that NYS paid bounties on turning in tax evaders.  He did not tell me more about it in future.

 

And no it is not anti Semitic but you can pretend otherwise.

I was corrected many times by down state people on "correct" pronunciation and most of them are not Jewish so it is hardly anti Semitic.

Down state people treated locals life trash when I was there and I see no reason for me to change my opinion because a defender.

 

 

But you want to be their cheerleader fine. 

So some college kid says he knows about falsified tax returns you think everyone from Long Island cheets on their taxes? Quite the leap.

I have lived on Long Island, no one ever told me to pronounce it that way, nor did most Long Islanders pronounce it that way. You may recall that your original premise was that students at SUNY Buffalo from Long Island were attending UB because their “rich parents were too cheep to send them to private schools”. Rich and cheep is an anti-Semitic trope and it has been for centuries. That and your stereotyping pronunciation lead me to the ant-Semitic conclusion, I stand by that.  Who is the “them” that I cheerlead? Do you mean “those people”?

[Doc]

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

No doubt many like you see him as a hero for "keeping the Bills in Buffalo (for as long as you are alive unless the free money for a new stadium isn't enough, right?)"

 

I just see him as another ultra wealthy NFL owner looking for a handout for his publicly stated goal of maintaining his family's lifestyle as the business plan (amidst layoffs) of PSE and who would obviously move the team if it suited him.  

 

What's to like about that?

 

Most Bills fans think he's a hero for keeping the Bills in Buffalo.  Most of us also knew that if/when a new stadium was needed, public money would have to be used, and would, because, well, it's Buffalo.  And all you need to do is see that since he bought them, 3 owners have decided to pull up stakes from their bigger and more profitable markets than Buffalo because they didn't get enough public money for new stadiums and/or because they just wanted to make even more obscene money, all paying less than half what the Pegulas did for the Bills.  Despite you telling me for the better part of 2 decades how there were no more markets left and that LA would never get another team again (and now they have 2). 

 

BTW, how much have you contributed to the ORs where you work?  Did you take a pay cut to prevent layoffs?  Did you leave a hospital/play one hospital off another to get what you wanted/make more money?  So spare me.

[Augie]

33 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Most Bills fans think he's a hero for keeping the Bills in Buffalo.  Most of us also knew that if/when a new stadium was needed, public money would have to be used, and would, because, well, it's Buffalo.  And all you need to do is see that since he bought them, 3 owners have decided to pull up stakes from their bigger and more profitable markets than Buffalo because they didn't get enough public money for new stadiums and/or because they just wanted to make even more obscene money, all paying less than half what the Pegulas did for the Bills.  Despite you telling me for the better part of 2 decades how there were no more markets left and that LA would never get another team again (and now they have 2). 

 

BTW, how much have you contributed to the ORs where you work?  Did you take a pay cut to prevent layoffs?  Did you leave a hospital/play one hospital off another to get what you wanted/make more money?  So spare me.

 

I don’t really have anything to add, but I’m quoting this just because I can. 

 

I have to say, some people hate anyone who has more money than they do. I just don’t get that hate. I don’t hate rich people, I’d like to be one some day.  

 

 

.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Augie

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Most Bills fans think he's a hero for keeping the Bills in Buffalo.  Most of us also knew that if/when a new stadium was needed, public money would have to be used, and would, because, well, it's Buffalo.  And all you need to do is see that since he bought them, 3 owners have decided to pull up stakes from their bigger and more profitable markets than Buffalo because they didn't get enough public money for new stadiums and/or because they just wanted to make even more obscene money, all paying less than half what the Pegulas did for the Bills.  Despite you telling me for the better part of 2 decades how there were no more markets left and that LA would never get another team again (and now they have 2). 

 

BTW, how much have you contributed to the ORs where you work?  Did you take a pay cut to prevent layoffs?  Did you leave a hospital/play one hospital off another to get what you wanted/make more money?  So spare me.

 

1).  St Louis was not a more profitable market--Bills pocketed 10 million more than the the owner of the Rams in 2015--So Kroenke left....and then spent 5+ billion of his money on a new stadium that broke-ass STL wouldn't build.   LA has 2 NFL teams because Kroenke spent his own money to build a stadium, doc.  Pegula wouldn't have made that move, obviously.

 

2) no one here figured the LA would support another team (not least of which because LA would not build a stadium).  All you could come up with was San Antonio.

 

3) my work product results in contributing margin for the hospital that is well into the millions per year.  That helps pay for staff and a lot of supplies.  They would miss it immediately If I was gone.

 

4) I'm full time employed faculty, so I don't "play one hospital; of another".  I built a program and run it with the hospital in a solid partnership.

 

5) as a faculty member, I have taken a pay cut since the first COVID wave--it was mandatory beginning in June 2020, but we were given the option of voluntarily starting it in May, 2020 which I took.

 

6) Starting today, because of the NYS mandate and a general shortage of staff in hospitals, elective inpatient cases are on indefinite hold... and my employer doesn't pay me not to work.....

 

got any other questions?

[Doc]

39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

1).  St Louis was not a more profitable market--Bills pocketed 10 million more than the the owner of the Rams in 2015--So Kroenke left....and then spent 5+ billion of his money on a new stadium that broke-ass STL wouldn't build.   LA has 2 NFL teams because Kroenke spent his own money to build a stadium, doc.  Pegula wouldn't have made that move, obviously.

 

2) no one here figured the LA would support another team (not least of which because LA would not build a stadium).  All you could come up with was San Antonio.

 

3) my work product results in contributing margin for the hospital that is well into the millions per year.  That helps pay for staff and a lot of supplies.  They would miss it immediately If I was gone.

 

4) I'm full time employed faculty, so I don't "play one hospital; of another".  I built a program and run it with the hospital in a solid partnership.

 

5) as a faculty member, I have taken a pay cut since the first COVID wave--it was mandatory beginning in June 2020, but we were given the option of voluntarily starting it in May, 2020 which I took.

 

6) Starting today, because of the NYS mandate and a general shortage of staff in hospitals, elective inpatient cases are on indefinite hold... and my employer doesn't pay me not to work.....

 

got any other questions?

Ah, I see. “No team will ever move to LA (because no owner will pay for his own stadium there).”  Meaning you expected public money to be involved.  Interesting. 
 

But hey, how about that Kroenke?  He spent his own money for a new stadium. What a great owner. Too bad it’s in another city/state (and he’s originally from Missouri)….

 

As for the rest, sure.  Yeah we all took paycuts last year. And the entertainment industry especially got rocked.  So that explains last year. It’s interesting that people hold others to higher standards than they have for themselves.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Doc

[SoCal Deek]

For those of us who live in LA, Kroenke isn’t an idiot or a philanthropist, the SoFi Stadium is WAY WAY more than a football stadium. It’s a huge development with office buildings etc all established to pay his stadium investment back in short order I’m sure. The Pegulas do NOT owe you a stadium.

[Gordio]

Yeah, UB football attendance is bad enough for the student section, put the games in Orchard Park and the student section would be non existent.  UB does need a new football stadium, but it needs to go on campus and it needs to suit UB football, which means a nice 30K + stadium, with the student section right on top of the field and closed in atmosphere.  Ask Miami what happens when you pout the stadium 40 minutes away from campus, they had one of the best home field advantages at the orange bowl, since that has been knocked down their program and the support of their program has suffered, I don't think it is a coincidence.

[Doc]

46 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

For those of us who live in LA, Kroenke isn’t an idiot or a philanthropist, the SoFi Stadium is WAY WAY more than a football stadium. It’s a huge development with office buildings etc all established to pay his stadium investment back in short order I’m sure. The Pegulas do NOT owe you a stadium.

Or a team, either. Kroenke is from Missouri so he (like Kim with Buffalo) has ties to the STL area. He’s far more wealthy than the Pegulas and could have built a new stadium there with his own money and still made bank considering he bought the team for about $600M. He wanted to make tons more money, so he left.  

And yeah the stadium will easily pay for itself in years. Because of where it’s located. In OP…not so much.   

 

41 minutes ago, Gordio said:

Yeah, UB football attendance is bad enough for the student section, put the games in Orchard Park and the student section would be non existent.  UB does need a new football stadium, but it needs to go on campus and it needs to suit UB football, which means a nice 30K + stadium, with the student section right on top of the field and closed in atmosphere.  Ask Miami what happens when you pout the stadium 40 minutes away from campus, they had one of the best home field advantages at the orange bowl, since that has been knocked down their program and the support of their program has suffered, I don't think it is a coincidence.

Who knows, maybe students would be more willing to go to a nice(r) stadium?  Why not try it out for a year and if it doesn’t work, go back to the old way.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Doc

[PromoTheRobot]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

Kroenke is from Missouri so he (like Kim with Buffalo) has ties to the STL area. He’s far more wealthy than the Pegulas and could have built a new stadium there with his own money and still made bank considering he bought the team for about $600M. He wanted to make tons more money, so he left.  

And yeah the stadium will easily pay for itself in years. Because of where it’s located. In OP…not so much.   

 

Who knows, maybe students would be more willing to go to a nice(r) stadium?  Why not try it out for a year and if it doesn’t work, go back to the old way.

 

Students are nice but having lots of fans in the stands is better. When UB played Bowling Green at RWS on a Thanksgiving Friday they drew 26K, the second largest home crowd the Bulls ever had. (Playing Syracuse at UB Stadium in 2009 drew 29K.)

 

You'd think local fans would like going to UB Stadium. Parking is free. The school, pre-pandemic, put on big tailgate concerts. Tickets are under $30, and just $10 if you buy during their preseason flash sale. And they have been decent the last few years.

 

Edited September 27, 2021 by PromoTheRobot

[Mr. WEO]

23 minutes ago, Doc said:

Ah, I see. “No team will ever move to LA (because no owner will pay for his own stadium there).”  Meaning you expected public money to be involved.  Interesting. 
 

But hey, how about that Kroenke?  He spent his own money for a new stadium. What a great owner. Too bad it’s in another city/state (and he’s originally from Missouri)….

 

As for the rest, sure.  Yeah we all took paycuts last year. And the entertainment industry especially got rocked.  So that explains last year. It’s interesting that people hold others to higher standards than they have for themselves.

 

That's not an answer to the questions that you asked me...

 

lol....the entertainment industry, great point--their hit deeply affected the Pegula Family Lifestyle Industry, as we all were made aware.  Your pay cut was simply fewer cases billed for (briefly).  No entity benefitted from your "pay cut".  

 

It's a historical fact  that public money will usually be involved in building a stadium.  I've always been against it in principle and as a horrible investment.  Like Kroenke (who actually put his  money up), Pegula could easily afford to finance his stadium.   So I think he should pay all (in principle) or the vast majority of it (in reality).  His opening offer was zero point zero.

 

Pretty simple.

 

Maybe he can build a stadium in that massive San Diego market!  Ask Spanos----that's where the real money is!

 

Kroenke returned the Rams to the City/state from which St Louis took them from---and where they played for 48 seasons.  Did you also cry when St Louis (who "stole" them from Chicago) lost the Cardinals to AZ (due to a crappy stadium and crappy fans)?  So it's easy to conclude that by bringing the team back to LA, spending his own money to build a massive entertainment complex, Rams fans consider Kroenke a fantastic owner.  If Pegula did the same in Buffalo, I would consider him a great owner as well.