Milanos Milano Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 So, lately I’ve come to the conclusion that our WRs just aren’t elite enough. Outside of Diggs, I just don’t think w have that one go to receiver that can just take over a game. I love Beasley, Davis, and Sanders, but they just don’t have that game take over when you need it vibe. How many times have we seen rookie WRs come into the league now and make huge differences. Look at JaMarr Chase today, Davonta Smith, and Jefferson last year. How is it they come in and put up 100 yard games, but we can’t get that regularly out of Beasley and so on? We all know Allen is great, but something seems off. Burrows and Cousins seems to be doing more with less compared to Allen. Is it Daboll or the WRs we have? Cause it doesn’t feel like Allen is to blame. 2 5 4 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: So, lately I’ve come to the conclusion that our WRs just aren’t elite enough. Outside of Diggs, I just don’t think w have that one go to receiver that can just take over a game. I love Beasley, Davis, and Sanders, but they just don’t have that game take over when you need it vibe. How many times have we seen rookie WRs come into the league now and make huge differences. Look at JaMarr Chase today, Davonta Smith, and Jefferson last year. How is it they come in and put up 100 yard games, but we can’t get that regularly out of Beasley and so on? We all know Allen is great, but something seems off. Burrows and Cousins seems to be doing more with less compared to Allen. Is it Daboll or the WRs we have? Cause it doesn’t feel like Allen is to blame. Let’s see. You mention Jefferson Chase and Smith. Ummm all are not as good as Diggs. Now you want to compare No2s. The reality is can someone TELL ME WHY Davis only got 38% of the snaps? He should absolutely be on the field more than Sanders. 7 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Let’s see. You mention Jefferson Chase and Smith. Ummm all are not as good as Diggs. Now you want to compare No2s. The reality is can someone TELL ME WHY Davis only got 38% of the snaps? He should absolutely be on the field more than Sanders. Yes I’m not comparing Diggs to those guys. I’m saying we lack a true #2 that can just dominate when we need it most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Plenty of teams might have better 1/2/3 WRs than the Bills. What sets us apart is that our 1 is elite and our 2/3/4 are very good. Most of the good 1/2/3’s don’t have a 4 like Gabriel Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Plenty of teams might have better 1/2/3 WRs than the Bills. What sets us apart is that our 1 is elite and our 2/3/4 are very good. Most of the good 1/2/3’s don’t have a 4 like Gabriel Davis. Which is fine, but I’m a firm believer you need a high profile #2 WR to win tough games like today. It’s why we struggled against the Chiefs. I feel like a TE or a #2 WR is lacking and making the difference. However Brady accomplished a lot without star power WRs. Hopefully Allen can elevate those around him more than he’s done, because today hurt a bit considering our offense weapons aren’t horrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Yes I’m not comparing Diggs to those guys. I’m saying we lack a true #2 that can just dominate when we need it most. Who are their NO2s? Davis is a great WR2. Sanders is a WR2 (though think he shouldn’t outsnap Davis). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Wideouts are fine. Steelers had a great defensive game plan and the Bills (I guess Daboll mainly) was very arrogant and hard headed calling plays trying to force his way knowing they game planned for it. Probably should have mixed it up more, looked like the AFCCG without the explosive offense of KC. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 The receivers are fine. There were some bad drops today. The bigger issue is OL and QB 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I still don't think people understand and respect the defense we just played. They're going to do that to EVERY offense they play. It could be the best D in the NFL. And we had them. Oh well. On to Miami. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: So, lately I’ve come to the conclusion that our WRs just aren’t elite enough. Outside of Diggs, I just don’t think w have that one go to receiver that can just take over a game. I love Beasley, Davis, and Sanders, but they just don’t have that game take over when you need it vibe. How many times have we seen rookie WRs come into the league now and make huge differences. Look at JaMarr Chase today, Davonta Smith, and Jefferson last year. How is it they come in and put up 100 yard games, but we can’t get that regularly out of Beasley and so on? We all know Allen is great, but something seems off. Burrows and Cousins seems to be doing more with less compared to Allen. Is it Daboll or the WRs we have? Cause it doesn’t feel like Allen is to blame. If the Bills expect to carry this season with their offence and passing then Beanne needs another elite play maker on offence or teams will just double Diggs. I would even give Brown a call because he knows this offence and was never healthy last season. End the day close games are won with teams that have big time difference making players, that could be another WR/TE or even RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Yeah I agree with other posters here, the WRs are fine. I'm not going to start comparing WR2s and WR3s across the league. Our problem still lies in the trenches. I appreciate Beane grabbing two in the draft; hope they pan out, because Feliciano is whatever and Ford has disappointed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: Who are their NO2s? Davis is a great WR2. Sanders is a WR2 (though think he shouldn’t outsnap Davis). Thielen, Higgins. So then why can’t Allen get over this small hump? He has talent, today hurt considering all things. He should be elevating the players around us more than he’s doing. Is it because of Dabolls play calling or is it something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawning Frog Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I think we all found out today why Daboll is not a head coach yet. the play calling was less than desirable today. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Well not to nit pick there were 3 passes Josh through 1 to Davis feet 1 to beas feet And one to Diggs feet All 3 Knox was wide open 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Is this considered over reacting? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Thielen, Higgins. So then why can’t Allen get over this small hump? He has talent, today hurt considering all things. He should be elevating the players around us more than he’s doing. Is it because of Dabolls play calling or is it something else? Is he a top QB? Top QBs make their WRs better. There are more then enough weapons for him. He played bad today. Bottomline. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Yeah I agree with other posters here, the WRs are fine. I'm not going to start comparing WR2s and WR3s across the league. Our problem still lies in the trenches. I appreciate Beane grabbing two in the draft; hope they pan out, because Feliciano is whatever and Ford has disappointed. The problem is today was a big boy game. Chiefs are a big boy game. Tampa Bay is a big boy game. If our WRs are fine, then Allen has to win these games with the talent around him. Allen missed a wide open Sanders today, which doesn’t help. I’m just trying to figure out where the problem is. I feel Allen should be performing better with the talent he does have in these tough match ups, which makes me think Daboll or our #2WR is the weakest link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Yes I’m not comparing Diggs to those guys. I’m saying we lack a true #2 that can just dominate when we need it most. Which teams have that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: If the Bills expect to carry this season with their offence and passing then Beanne needs another elite play maker on offence or teams will just double Diggs. I would even give Brown a call because he knows this offence and was never healthy last season. End the day close games are won with teams that have big time difference making players, that could be another WR/TE or even RB Why double Diggs. drop 7 and 8 and make Allen be accurate. Everytime a team has done that (and got pressure -this is Key). Allen has struggled 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, Bangarang said: Which teams have that? Seahawks with Lockett/Metcalf? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: So, lately I’ve come to the conclusion that our WRs just aren’t elite enough. Outside of Diggs, I just don’t think w have that one go to receiver that can just take over a game. I love Beasley, Davis, and Sanders, but they just don’t have that game take over when you need it vibe. How many times have we seen rookie WRs come into the league now and make huge differences. Look at JaMarr Chase today, Davonta Smith, and Jefferson last year. How is it they come in and put up 100 yard games, but we can’t get that regularly out of Beasley and so on? We all know Allen is great, but something seems off. Burrows and Cousins seems to be doing more with less compared to Allen. Is it Daboll or the WRs we have? Cause it doesn’t feel like Allen is to blame. Josh is always going to get some blame being QB I just hate the fact we don’t have more balance they rely on this guy to be the 1985 version of John Elway to win games and if he’s even a little off our offense has no other way to beat you Edited September 12, 2021 by 78thealltimegreat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, scuba guy said: Well not to nit pick there were 3 passes Josh through 1 to Davis feet 1 to beas feet And one to Diggs feet All 3 Knox was wide open Don’t forget Airmailing two to Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: The problem is today was a big boy game. Chiefs are a big boy game. Tampa Bay is a big boy game. If our WRs are fine, then Allen has to win these games with the talent around him. Allen missed a wide open Sanders today, which doesn’t help. I’m just trying to figure out where the problem is. I feel Allen should be performing better with the talent he does have in these tough match ups, which makes me think Daboll or our #2WR is the weakest link. I mean we've had the same exact plays being called over and over. Five wideouts, empty backfield, three step drop. That's a Daboll thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 If Allen hits a wide open Emanuel Sanders I'm not sure this thread exists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Which teams have that? Tampa Bay has (Godwin, Evans, and Brown) which are all arguably #1s. Cinci has Higgins and Chase which are top tier talent. Minn has Thielen and Jefferson. Im just trying to figure out why Allen isn’t playing well with the talent he has against great teams. Edited September 12, 2021 by IronMaidenBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: The problem is today was a big boy game. Chiefs are a big boy game. Tampa Bay is a big boy game. If our WRs are fine, then Allen has to win these games with the talent around him. Allen missed a wide open Sanders today, which doesn’t help. I’m just trying to figure out where the problem is. I feel Allen should be performing better with the talent he does have in these tough match ups, which makes me think Daboll or our #2WR is the weakest link. So Allen should be performing better. But doesn’t so it’s on Daboll and WRs? Nope. It’s on Allen. Why make excuses. The 250M man doesn’t get that benefit anymore. Edited September 12, 2021 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Why double Diggs. drop 7 and 8 and make Allen be accurate. Everytime a team has done that (and got pressure -this is Key). Allen has struggled Agreed Steelers had pressure almost all game and Allen never had a clean pocket where he could step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billrooter Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Which is fine, but I’m a firm believer you need a high profile #2 WR to win tough games like today. It’s why we struggled against the Chiefs. I feel like a TE or a #2 WR is lacking and making the difference. However Brady accomplished a lot without star power WRs. Hopefully Allen can elevate those around him more than he’s done, because today hurt a bit considering our offense weapons aren’t horrible. We lost today due to a blocked punt for td, a tacky pass interference call on an int. And the fact that Allen was not as sharp as usual imo. In the playoffs both Diggs and Beasley were playing with pretty significant injuries as well. I think we lost that game because we got dominated at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I don’t think our WR’s are the problem. They’re fine. It’s our predictable playcalling and head scratching playcalling that hurts us. Set up a running game. Use the TE more. Find Gabe Davis! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I mean we've had the same exact plays being called over and over. Five wideouts, empty backfield, three step drop. That's a Daboll thing. And people were open. #Justsaying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: Tampa Bay has (Godwin, Evans, and Brown) which are all arguably #1s. Cinci has Higgins and Chase which are top tier talent. Minn has Thielen and Jefferson. Im just trying to figure out why Allen isn’t playing well with the talent he has against great teams. So a few teams have what we lack and after 1 game it was time to come out with the hot take? Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Beast said: If Allen hits a wide open Emanuel Sanders I'm not sure this thread exists. We’ve been saying this for how long now? Allen hasn’t connected well on deep throws. If he does, nobody is beating us, but he hasn’t done so enough to win tough games like today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Tampa Bay has (Godwin, Evans, and Brown) which are all arguably #1s. Cinci has Higgins and Chase which are top tear talent. Minn has Thielen and Jefferson. Im just trying to figure out why Allen isn’t playing well with the talent he has against great teams. Because ALLEN had a bad game. It isn’t that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Don’t forget Airmailing two to Sanders. Yes put in his defense the play in the first quarter the safety grapped his arm to slow him done and no call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: And people were open. #Justsaying I mean yeah, Allen needed to hit them. But we can also say Daboll needs to mix it up a little more to make it less predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: So, lately I’ve come to the conclusion that our WRs just aren’t elite enough. Outside of Diggs, I just don’t think w have that one go to receiver that can just take over a game. I love Beasley, Davis, and Sanders, but they just don’t have that game take over when you need it vibe. How many times have we seen rookie WRs come into the league now and make huge differences. Look at JaMarr Chase today, Davonta Smith, and Jefferson last year. How is it they come in and put up 100 yard games, but we can’t get that regularly out of Beasley and so on? We all know Allen is great, but something seems off. Burrows and Cousins seems to be doing more with less compared to Allen. Is it Daboll or the WRs we have? Cause it doesn’t feel like Allen is to blame. Fear not! We added 50 year old Emmanuel Sanders in the off season and selected more defensive lineman. They made a huge impact today couldn’t you tell!!??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: We’ve been saying this for how long now? Allen hasn’t connected well on deep throws. If he does, nobody is beating us, but he hasn’t done so enough to win tough games like today. No arguments with me. For whatever reason his deep ball is poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: So Allen should be performing better. But doesn’t so it’s on Daboll and WRs? Nope. It’s on Allen. Why make excuses. The 250M man doesn’t get that benefit anymore. Because Allen is elite. We know he is. He can sling it anywhere and the stats show it, but something feels amiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Playoffs? said: I don’t think our WR’s are the problem. They’re fine. It’s our predictable playcalling and head scratching playcalling that hurts us. Set up a running game. Use the TE more. Find Gabe Davis! First give him more than 38% of the snaps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted September 12, 2021 Author Share Posted September 12, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: Because ALLEN had a bad game. It isn’t that hard. I don’t feel like Allen had that much of a bad game. I feel like Daboll is holding Allen back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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