Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, The Dean said: Well, yes it does. Thanks. That gives me a bit of confidence on 2022. I'd love to get a definitive answer on this year? I would think, when reporting the structure and its impact on the cap, a good reporter (who specializes in this sort of thing) might have (and share) this information. But they haven't so far, as far as I can tell. I see comments that now the Bills are in cap hell. I know the contract is structured pretty well going forward to avoid that. But I wonder, what has it done to this year's cap? How much cap room did the Bills have before he signed? How much do they have now? Should be simple, right? TL;DR the Bills are in the bottom quarter of the league for cap to spend. Either 26th or 28th in available cap (different sources) The problem is, the cap estimates available publicly are just that - estimates, and they differ from person to site to site. After Allen's signing, Spotrac reports that the Bills have $4.8M in available cap. OvertheCap reports $7.2M in available cap At one point I was curious and dove into the differences between the sites. They differ in details like whether they consider the signing bonuses of players below the top-51 (Spotrac does, Overthecap doesn't), and whether they account for every penny of dead cap (Spotrac) or just the dead cap hits over $100k (Overthecap). That latter is approximately $1.5M of the difference. The former is about $0.73M of the difference ($50k here, $50k there, sooner or later you're talking real money) I have no idea which way the NFL does it, so I have no idea which cap figure is closer to correct. I can't find reporting on what the Bills cap space was before Allen's contract was signed, but since he seems to have added $3.3M to his current year, they likely had between $8.1M and $10.5M. Best I can do. Diggs restructure in June created $7.8M in cap space. Before that I think the Bills were pretty tight. 1 hour ago, Simon said: I'm really terrible with this stuff so take this with a truckload of road salt, but I think they were about 9mil under the cap before and are about 6 mil under now? As a ballpark estimate, it's pretty durn good. It basically splits the difference between the two major public "Capology" sites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 In related news, there’s this.. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 As I’ve previously posted, I’ll always leave the numbers to the people who are paid to do this work…but as a rule would it be correct that a rookie contract is structured to be good for both sides? If a guy does well he has leverage, and backloading that rookie deal keeps the bump from being so horrific for the Front Office that they’re forced to give away talent they’ve grown. Therefore if well negotiated, this/next years salary cap hit generally wouldn’t be that large no matter who the player or team is. Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 I hope they pay Lamar Mahomes like money. Then they will be stuck with him for at least half a decade. I think Lamar has hit his ceiling and Baltimore will continue to be a playoff contender but will have to get used to making early exits. He’s been figured out. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player btw, I just don’t think he’s going to improve his passing much beyond what we’ve seen and as the years go by those legs will fade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Im still ecstatic over this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 16 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Actually no one really out dueled anyone thanks to the wind playing a huge part. The difference in the game was a pick 6. LJ lead his team, and josh lead his. Josh drove the feild and threw a td in a windy game when they needed. LJ drove the feild and threw a terrible pick with the game on the line. Not saying josh had an amazing game, but both qbs faced the same pressure on the big stage and weather conditions and one came out on top. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 Comparison between Mahomes contract and JA. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/08/08/comparing-contrasting-the-patrick-mahomes-josh-allen-deals/ Josh actually makes more in the first 4 years .. Pat gets a little more over the 8 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 17 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Even if Ramsey would come to Buffalo on the vet minimum, I wouldn’t take him. He’s a trash human being. You can’t build a team around those type of “me” people. A) insane statement B) you know absolutely nothing about him other than that he said mean things about Allen because he was speaking honestly. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: A) insane statement B) you know absolutely nothing about him other than that he said mean things about Allen because he was speaking honestly. a) agreed this is an insane comment .. he is an all-pro b) he was expressing his honest / uninformed opinion .. certainly not facts.. he should avoid scouting when he retires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: a) agreed this is an insane comment .. he is an all-pro b) he was expressing his honest / uninformed opinion .. certainly not facts.. he should avoid scouting when he retires Was it uninformed when at the same time tons of people in the media were saying as bad or worse? It's all there, documented. Anyway, yeah, bad thing to say but I'm not going to get butthurt and say that I'd refuse the best CB in the NFL for vet minimum because he was mean to Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Boxcar said: A) insane statement B) you know absolutely nothing about him other than that he said mean things about Allen because he was speaking honestly. One might say he was speaking out his azs, that does not make a statement honest, except for revealing his cognitive capacity…, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 On 8/7/2021 at 1:51 AM, Sherlock Holmes said: What happens if Josh Allen busts? We will cry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: LOL Outstanding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Boxcar said: A) insane statement B) you know absolutely nothing about him other than that he said mean things about Allen because he was speaking honestly. Honestly he should have kept his mouth shut because Josh sent him back to Jacksonville and then to LA with a BIG L Edited August 9, 2021 by Putin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 (edited) Any bets on what will be Lead Block segment on GMFB this morning? Will it be Peyton et al or Josh? Edited August 9, 2021 by wjag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 And the answer was: JA17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 52 minutes ago, wjag said: Any bets on what will be Lead Block segment on GMFB this morning? Will it be Peyton et al or Josh? I vote for Brady getting booed at the HOF Ceremony. That was fun to see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 As I read more about what is being speculated about Baker and Lamar I am loving this contract. Several writers I saw are speaking as if this is the floor for a contract for those two, especially if the salary cap jumps as predicted. I do agree that the 3 year aggregate for the other two is better I doubt many expect the next 6 years to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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