SCBills Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 They also outed the location of ops in that tweet… Doha Station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 I expected a national address on his Covid failure and an updated plan but there isn't one thats acceptable to us so.....they'll just blame. Hmm....kinda like Afghanistan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, LeviF said: Well the government we propped up was incredibly unpopular. Eliminate that option and you’re left with either the taliban or the gangland chaos that pre-existed them. Before the taliban takeover you could barely call Afghanistan a country. Getting through a major city involved going through maybe a dozen checkpoints which required payment to a thug of whichever gang or warlord happened to hold that checkpoint. And if some gang or warlord kidnapped, raped, and killed your daughter because you couldn’t post protection that month, you had no recourse. At least under the taliban you might have some recourse. Assuming, of course, that the taliban weren’t the ones who, ahem, conscripted your daughter. So you can have Mad Max-ian anarchy or the taliban government. I can see why some choose the latter, though the taliban may offend whatever it is that constitutes my soul. And their thinking is that Taliban rule will be incredibly popular? If that's what they thought, they deserve what they're getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 Biden is nowhere to be seen, so multiple media outlets started emailing Jen Psaki…. ….only to be met with an out of office reply until the 22nd. Im pretty sure this Administration is just trolling us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Kabul has fallen. Every U.S. President, former and current, should be hanging his head in shame. - George W. Bush: for deciding that the attacks on terrorist training camps and the neutralization of the terrorist threat from Afghanistan wasn't the sole limited purpose of the operation. That had succeeded by early 2002. The war went on two more decades. And for distracting the U.S. military from the mission by engaging in a pointless war with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. - Barack Obama: for vacillating between withdrawal talk and surge talk. But in retrospect, probably the most successful (well, let's say "least unsuccessful") of out post 9-11 presidencies. - Donald Trump: for brokering a joke of a peace agreement with the Taliban (the Doha agreement) and insisting on departure on a date certain, allowing the Taliban to cynically wait out the American departure - Joe Biden: for finally carrying out that departure, either knowingly allowing the descent into chaos and retribution, or naively believing that the Afghan government/army could hold off the assault. My take on it: Trump kept our troops in not so much to avoid chaos, but to postpone chaos until after the election. Biden allowed this to happen right away, hoping the debacle will be largely forgotten by the time 2024 rolls around. What a mess. Biden easily could've reversed course on Trump's foolish Doha agreement but didn't for political purposes. The buck stops with him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 19 minutes ago, SCBills said: Biden is nowhere to be seen, so multiple media outlets started emailing Jen Psaki…. ….only to be met with an out of office reply until the 22nd. Im pretty sure this Administration is just trolling us now. Even MSM is having troubles putting lipstick on this pig. How did they not get everyone out first? Wasn’t their some junior reporter that asked Joe about having to evacuate embassies in Kabul and Joe condescendingly shot back ‘that’s not gonna happen!’ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 On 8/13/2021 at 7:20 AM, oldmanfan said: Afghanistan has not been figured out by any country including the U.S., and in the U.S. multiple administrations have not been able to come up with a coherent strategy. I am an admitted war hawk; I believe our military is to be used for the defense of our country and to defend the values our country stands for. Thus, as the Taliban represents a real and present danger to the people of Afghanistan, with genocide of men, women, and children, I would go in with a huge, overwhelming force (and would get allies on board), and wipe the Taliban out once and for all. The free countries of the world should not allow genocide to occur. Will you be encouraging your daughter to sign up and join the fight? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) On 8/13/2021 at 10:20 AM, oldmanfan said: Afghanistan has not been figured out by any country including the U.S., and in the U.S. multiple administrations have not been able to come up with a coherent strategy. I am an admitted war hawk; I believe our military is to be used for the defense of our country and to defend the values our country stands for. Thus, as the Taliban represents a real and present danger to the people of Afghanistan, with genocide of men, women, and children, I would go in with a huge, overwhelming force (and would get allies on board), and wipe the Taliban out once and for all. The free countries of the world should not allow genocide to occur. Soviet Union and US have been failing at this since the 70s. Even if you chase all the Islamic warlords into their holes, no body is able to prop up a stable government the keep it that way. I have no interest in sending more of our kids to die there. Edited August 16, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Governor Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Biden easily could've reversed course on Trump's foolish Doha agreement but didn't for political purposes. The buck stops with him. Biden knows that 2 years from now no one is going to care about any of this. Sure, it was stupid plan by Trump, a poison pill, but it still had to be done, and the majority of voters support the decision. Independents are pretty happy right now. Trump set the timeline to when he’d already be gone. That’s a total wuss move. Biden stepped up and got it done anyway and knew it had to be done early in his term, or not at all, politically. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Governor said: Biden knows that 2 years from now no one is going to care about any of this. Sure, it was stupid plan by Trump, a poison pill, but it still had to be done, and the majority of voters support the decision. Independents are pretty happy right now. Trump set the timeline to when he’d already be gone. That’s a total wuss move. Biden stepped up and got it done anyway and knew it had to be done early in his term, or not at all, politically. Biden announced this for one reason and one reason only. Fanfare. Why do you think he chose the 20th anniversary of 9/11? He thought it would be simple. And now it’s a cluster*****. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Governor said: Biden knows that 2 years from now no one is going to care about any of this. Sure, it was stupid plan by Trump, a poison pill, but it still had to be done, and the majority of voters support the decision. Independents are pretty happy right now. Trump set the timeline to when he’d already be gone. That’s a total wuss move. Biden stepped up and got it done anyway and knew it had to be done early in his term, or not at all, politically. Of course a majority of voters supported the decision. It was the right decision. Now execution… that’s another story. I highly doubt, despite your clear desperation, that “independents are pretty happy right now”. Nobody, except blue wave emoji Dems, are happy to find out that our President is an abject disaster, who messed up the withdrawal beyond comprehension and then pulled a disappearing act. Edited August 16, 2021 by SCBills 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) Remember the timeline. I’ll add the politics to it. Bush starts war in Afghanistan. Bush then gets bored with war in Afghanistan because there’s no clear enemy and no clear leader of the enemy. Bush then attacks Iraq. Obama runs on leaving Iraq. Obama then uses Afghanistan as the reason for leaving Iraq. Obama leaves Iraq. Trump runs on leaving Afghanistan. Trump doesn’t follow through and kicks the can down the road with one foot out the door to the next president. Biden mans up and leaves Afghanistan and takes the political hit. I don’t care what the fallout is. It had to happen and I congratulate Joe. Now, if we sent 100k troops back there to try to fix it and they’re still there 2 years from now, I’ll gladly join you in your witch-hunt, but that hasn’t happened yet. Edited August 16, 2021 by Governor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Soviet Union and US have been failing at this since the 70s. Even if you chase all the Islamic warlords into their holes, no body is able to prop up a stable government the keep it that way. I have no interest in sending more of our kids to die there. i agree but at this point i see our enemies using this as a way to supply a enemy for a proxy war. im sure china has already sent supplies. let them grow or entangle our military now and keep spending to oblivion. good thing we did not foolishly spend money on people sitting on their a$$ or bicker about pronouns so we are prepared to defend ourselves against threats that wish nothing more then to obliterate us. good thing we have strict control over our borders. this is getting serious quickly and leadership is nowhere to be found. our allies better not think we can be the worlds police this time. Edited August 16, 2021 by Buffarukus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: i agree but at this point i see our enemies using this as a way to supply a enemy for a proxy war. im sure china has already started sending supplies, prob through amazon. let them grow or entangle our military now and keep spending to oblivion. good thing we did not foolishly spend money on people sitting on their a$$ or bicker about pronouns so we are prepared to defend ourselves against threats that wish nothing more then to obliterate us. China isn’t stupid. They won’t get involved in the politics of these nations because they don’t care about civil rights or anything else really. They want to build infrastructure for these countries, mine their minerals, and set up routes to move their products through. They won’t fire a single bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffarukus Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Governor said: China isn’t stupid. They won’t get involved in the politics of these nations because they don’t care about civil rights or anything else really. They want to build infrastructure for these countries, mine their minerals, and set up routes to move their products through. They won’t fire a single bullet. no kidding thats why they send it to them. they jave already made nuclear threats and have been agressive in military exercises in the south china sea. its called a proxy war for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, SCBills said: Biden is nowhere to be seen, so multiple media outlets started emailing Jen Psaki…. ….only to be met with an out of office reply until the 22nd. Im pretty sure this Administration is just trolling us now. I’m confused as to where you think he’s supposed to be. Is he supposed to be wearing his aviators flying a chopper rescuing people? What is this narrative you’re chasing? I haven’t watched any news so you will have to fill me in. Edited August 16, 2021 by Governor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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